By going I was including orbits.. not just landings.Braddock wrote:
Did you guys go to the moon 9 times?
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Financially? Sure the government may have lost money, but who cares.... tax payers pay that. It's the defense contractors and military supply companies that have made tons because of 9/11.TrollmeaT wrote:
I don't buy it, the losses far outweighs the gains for our government or secret society. It just doesn't make as much sense as the whole osama thing. She had old footage that was more dramatic in back of her than the current most likely. Surely not enough to crack the government or someone else did it nut.
It's all about keeping the pubic in a constant state of fear and unrest, making us feel that we need them to survive. It works quite well. Apparently global warming wasn't a good enough scare tactic.
Try watching the Discovery channel more often. They were indeed close enough. In order to prevent temptation of the crew landing, the LEM was not given a full load of fuel. If they DID try to land, they would not have enough fuel to make it back to lunar orbit.HollisHurlbut wrote:
That depends on what you mean by "go to the Moon." We landed six times, with Apollo missions 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17. If you count achieving lunar orbit as "going" there, then we can also count Apollo missions 8, 10, and 13. Apollo 8 was simply to achieve lunar orbit; Apollo 10 was to test everything in lunar orbit (I've often heard they could have actually landed the mission on the Moon, having already gotten below an altitude of 10 miles with the lunar module, but I've never been able to substantiate that claim), a "dress rehearsal" for 11; and we should all know by now the story of Apollo 13.Braddock wrote:
Did you guys go to the moon 9 times?
well that explains (lol) one of the six. got any fodder for the other five?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Good video about false flag OP
http://www.videocommunity.com/pc/pc/display/7167
I didn't even watch the video yet but can't push play because I'm laughing too hard at the comments.usmarine2 wrote:
well that explains (lol) one of the six. got any fodder for the other five?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Good video about false flag OP
http://www.videocommunity.com/pc/pc/display/7167
you weren't alive maybe?Braddock wrote:
How did I miss all this?
The government is far too incompetent to pull off something like most conspiracy theories think.
he's 26.....usmarine2 wrote:
you weren't alive maybe?Braddock wrote:
How did I miss all this?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
QFTpaul386 wrote:
The government is far too incompetent to pull off something like most conspiracy theories think.
What's your measure of success or failure? Poll results?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Your in denial.
Your not the only one though.
But to even say the Bush admin is better than the Carter admin......Congratulations.
I'm not denial (don't make the mistake that I'm a GWB fanboi, either)...I just prefer to deal with facts and objectivity.
It's refreshing...you should try it sometime.
Since I doubt you were even alive during the Carter years, I'll just guess that you're (that's the proper spelling, btw) writing from a position of ignorance/inexperience...and/or that you can't be bothered to research your claims before you make them. Congratulations.
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Im 26 in october myselfm3thod wrote:
he's 26.....usmarine2 wrote:
you weren't alive maybe?Braddock wrote:
How did I miss all this?
Objectively speaking, I believe after 50-100 years (or whenever the spin doctors determine is enough time) when we can truly judge the effects of this administration it will be found that it drove this country into the ground. Funny enough, there will be nothing you can do about it.FEOS wrote:
What's your measure of success or failure? Poll results?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Your in denial.
Your not the only one though.
But to even say the Bush admin is better than the Carter admin......Congratulations.
I'm not denial (don't make the mistake that I'm a GWB fanboi, either)...I just prefer to deal with facts and objectivity.
It's refreshing...you should try it sometime.
Since I doubt you were even alive during the Carter years, I'll just guess that you're (that's the proper spelling, btw) writing from a position of ignorance/inexperience...and/or that you can't be bothered to research your claims before you make them. Congratulations.
And don't pull the grammar nazi unless your post is completely grammar perfect.
That was speaking objectively? I thought speaking objectively would sound more like "In 50 - 100 years (or whenever the spin doctors determine is enough time), we may be able to truely judge the effects this administration has had on on economic and world events."Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Objectively speaking, I believe after 50-100 years (or whenever the spin doctors determine is enough time) when we can truly judge the effects of this administration it will be found that it drove this country into the ground. Funny enough, there will be nothing you can do about it.
Everything else you wrote was pretty much the opposite of objective.
It was aliens you idiots. They escaped from area 51. gosh!
What is it about our planet that makes so many alien spacecraft crash on it? Are we the interstellar equivilant of a shallow reef or something? They are smart enough to get here, but can't figure out how to miss the spinning blue and green ball? And what around here is interesting enough for what must be a massive fleet of aliens to take their time with to observe and probe us?usmarine2 wrote:
It was aliens you idiots. They escaped from area 51. gosh!
Then why don't the just show us the videos that they took from around the Pentagon that would show a plane hitting it?Turquoise wrote:
QFTpaul386 wrote:
The government is far too incompetent to pull off something like most conspiracy theories think.
Why don't they explain why the WTCs were evacuated for the first time ever only a couple of weeks before 9/11?
Hell look at JFK, they 'lost' his brain, they've locked up most of the evidence (or what's left of it) until the public is ready to see it (I can't remember what date it's going to be released), they even wiped down, cleaned out and refurbished the limo in the months after his death -- that's one of the most important pieces of evidence and they cleaned it, and how do you lose a brain?
They sure as hell don't make it easy to believe their reports..
For one thing, you don't need JFK's brain because the simple angle's of the wounds on his body (which, unless you have some other theory about who, if anyone (maybe Elvis), is buried in that casket, can prove where the shot was fired from when coupled with the design schematics of the car.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Then why don't the just show us the videos that they took from around the Pentagon that would show a plane hitting it?Turquoise wrote:
QFTpaul386 wrote:
The government is far too incompetent to pull off something like most conspiracy theories think.
Why don't they explain why the WTCs were evacuated for the first time ever only a couple of weeks before 9/11?
Hell look at JFK, they 'lost' his brain, they've locked up most of the evidence (or what's left of it) until the public is ready to see it (I can't remember what date it's going to be released), they even wiped down, cleaned out and refurbished the limo in the months after his death -- that's one of the most important pieces of evidence and they cleaned it, and how do you lose a brain?
They sure as hell don't make it easy to believe their reports..
What videos would that be? Are you talking about the mythical 'security cameras' that people simply assume must be ringing the Pentagon, because it is what it is or they saw it in some movie? Or videos from people standing around, since the Pentagon is such a tourist attraction? The videos "they" took? Did you mean that someone purposely took a video for the express purpose of filming the crash? Because you did say "that would show a plane hitting it." Didn't they already release footage from a parking lot security camera that showed the plane coming in to hit?CommieChipmunk wrote:
Then why don't the just show us the videos that they took from around the Pentagon that would show a plane hitting it?Turquoise wrote:
QFTpaul386 wrote:
The government is far too incompetent to pull off something like most conspiracy theories think.
This is something I have not heard of, though I admit that the conspiracy videos give me heartburn. When was this? What reason was given? Where is an (objective) site or article for referrence? A New York Times archive article would be preferred, from when this event took place. If the World Trade Center was evacuated, it would have made the newspaper somewhere; most likely not the first page, but somewhere.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Why don't they explain why the WTCs were evacuated for the first time ever only a couple of weeks before 9/11?
Now, what are you proposing happened during that evacuated time? Surely not demolition charges. The WTC would take weeks to set for demo, and the eveidence of that would be painstakenly obvious. It would take massive, massive mounts of time and manpower to make demo set up so the occupants of the WTC to not notice.
And that is the area that all conspiracy theorists hit a brick wall and ignore. Manpower. Do you, any of you, have any concpet for the number of people that must be involved for 9/11 to have been a government conspiracy? Most theorists just point to the military, as if we are (were) some monolithic, souless, mindless drones who would obey orders without question or thought, and each and every one of us take that knowledge to the grave. There is a French proverb: "Three people can keep a secret only if two of them are dead." Look at how much 'secure' information gets leaked each and every day. SOMEONE would have wanted to blurt the secret, if only to get a girl into bed, write a book, win a bet... but none of that has ever come out.
The JFK conspiracy theories are much more believable because they are much simpler in design. Assassinating someone is a lot easier than coordinating 4 flights and multiple explosions in an elaborate ruse used to create a mock terror attack.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Then why don't the just show us the videos that they took from around the Pentagon that would show a plane hitting it?Turquoise wrote:
QFTpaul386 wrote:
The government is far too incompetent to pull off something like most conspiracy theories think.
Why don't they explain why the WTCs were evacuated for the first time ever only a couple of weeks before 9/11?
Hell look at JFK, they 'lost' his brain, they've locked up most of the evidence (or what's left of it) until the public is ready to see it (I can't remember what date it's going to be released), they even wiped down, cleaned out and refurbished the limo in the months after his death -- that's one of the most important pieces of evidence and they cleaned it, and how do you lose a brain?
They sure as hell don't make it easy to believe their reports..
I personally don't see the government as that clever, so believing the 9/11 conspiracy theories is very difficult for me.
not to mention the social and political climate throughout that entire decadeTurquoise wrote:
The JFK conspiracy theories are much more believable because they are much simpler in design. Assassinating someone is a lot easier than coordinating 4 flights and multiple explosions in an elaborate ruse used to create a mock terror attack.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Then why don't the just show us the videos that they took from around the Pentagon that would show a plane hitting it?Turquoise wrote:
QFT
Why don't they explain why the WTCs were evacuated for the first time ever only a couple of weeks before 9/11?
Hell look at JFK, they 'lost' his brain, they've locked up most of the evidence (or what's left of it) until the public is ready to see it (I can't remember what date it's going to be released), they even wiped down, cleaned out and refurbished the limo in the months after his death -- that's one of the most important pieces of evidence and they cleaned it, and how do you lose a brain?
They sure as hell don't make it easy to believe their reports..
I personally don't see the government as that clever, so believing the 9/11 conspiracy theories is very difficult for me.
Why did they kill JFK anyway
bill clinton arranged 9/11 to make himself look better and to get his wife elected.
/fact
/fact
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they needed to make movies about it 30 years later.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why did they kill JFK anyway
The most coherent theory I've heard is that he pissed off some anti-Castro Cubans who helped coordinate the failed Bay of Pigs incident.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why did they kill JFK anyway
EDIT: oops
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I'm not saying that the government killed him. I'm just saying that whoever did kill him, what was the motive?
Is that the real reason?Turquoise wrote:
The most coherent theory I've heard is that he pissed off some anti-Castro Cubans who helped coordinate the failed Gulf of Tonkin incident.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why did they kill JFK anyway