CommieChipmunk
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+488|6569|Portland, OR, USA
Like that really needed to be said right?

I'm going to use war as an example, but God knows that there are hundreds of examples that I could use to back up the claim I made in the title.. and I'm going to make a lot of assumptions.. so deal with it.

When we take a gander at the middle east, we find thousands of atrocities being committed in the name of a "God" -- in the name of Allah to be specific.  Having an arguably more 'civilized' culture, the vast majority of the world views these actions as horrifying, that these people are actually *insert disgusting crime against humanity here* in the name of their deity.

Now lets take a look at our 'civilized culture.'  Without gods, or a higher power, or a heaven.. would war be so prolific throughout the world?  I honestly don't think so, and here's why: by signing up for the armed forces, you know that there is a chance that you will lose your life.  The majority of the atheist population that I've talked to (myself included) believes that you simply cease to exist once you die, and I don't know if I've spoken to a disproportionate population of atheists, but the one's who I've talked to pretty much all agreed that they would rather face the consequences than to fight in a war (especially in an arguably pointless war).  The religious populations believe that there is something after death -- whatever that something may be is irrelevant, but they all believe that there is a some continuation of the consciousness that we experience here on earth.  So why would you give your life in a war if you believed that consciousness simply ended once you died?  Altruism has its limits....

This article is a little old, but it backs my claim up

Without religion, would people still give there lives, their already infinitely sort span of consciousness, to a cause deemed 'important' by politicians and war mongers?  I think that religion is a perfect tool to make people give their lives, and for this reason alone, I believe that our world would benefit immensely from it's disbandment.
KEN-JENNINGS
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Disagree.  Religion is commonly used as a scapegoat for conflict.  People are the root of evil in this world.
m3thod
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no.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Religion is an excuse. If we lost religion we would just find another. Ignorance and desperation is the root of all evil.
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topthrill05
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Disagree.  Religion is commonly used as a scapegoat for conflict.  People are the root of evil in this world.
Sydney
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Kmarion wrote:

Religion is an excuse. If we lost religion we would just find another. Ignorance and desperation is the root of all evil.
As South Park taught us in the "Go God Go!" episodes.

Science damn it!
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Not every religious person is a nut that would give up thier lives in a second in the name of God or any other religious figure. It's just the extremists that make it look bad, plus people would find ways to commit those atrocities if religion wasnt involved anyways.
CommieChipmunk
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Roc18 wrote:

Not every religious person is a nut that would give up thier lives in a second in the name of God or any other religious figure. It's just the extremists that make it look bad, plus people would find ways to commit those atrocities if religion wasnt involved anyways.
It's not that they would do it in the name of god, it's that they would do it because there is a god.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Greed is the root of most evil in this world, not Religion.
ATG
Banned
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What we need is a mega billionaire with the sack to finance a private army that would use cyberwar combined with super tech. and advanced weapons to create a nationless partyless army that only served human kind.
The goal would be a Star Trek type world.
DesertFox-
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Disagree.  Religion is commonly used as a scapegoat for conflict.  People are the root of evil in this world.
This is true.

More often than not, I'm all for people practicing religion, which I have often made the argument that atheism, while largely unorganized, is a religous belief because religion is rarely used by people as the textbook definition, but more the "I believe in a god" side. If you break up the word "a-theism" you get the root "theism," meaning belief in at least one deity, negated. If one claims to be an atheist, all they are saying is they do not believe in a diety, but there are many more aspects to religion than a deity that are lost in the dumbing-down and simplification of difficult concepts today.
Catbox
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humans are the root of all evil...
Love is the answer
Drakef
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I'm likely one of the staunchest atheists here, especially against religion, but I would have to disagree. Most of the responses here are correct. People are the force behind any "evil", and religion serves as a tool for those means. It is certainly something to criticize, but it is not as extreme as "the root of all evil in this world".
CommieChipmunk
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Alright, so religion may not be the root of all evil, but that wasn't the point of this thread.  I'm just saying that less people would feel the need to give their lives in war should consciousness end at the end of our lives here.
Turquoise
O Canada
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sergeriver wrote:

Greed is the root of most evil in this world, not Religion.
Very true.  Religion is just the convenient excuse for a lot of evil, since mostly greedy people are at the top of most large religious institutions.
Havok
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DoctaStrangelove wrote:

And atheists' track record is sooooooooooo much better.

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Wiki on Mussolini wrote:

Religion     Converted to Roman Catholicism in 1927, irreligious in earlier life.

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler

Wiki on Hitler wrote:

Hitler, despite his native Catholicism, favored aspects of Protestantism if they were more amenable to his own objectives. At the same time, he adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organization, liturgy and phraseology in his politics.
unnamednewbie13
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ATG wrote:

What we need is a mega billionaire with the sack to finance a private army that would use cyberwar combined with super tech. and advanced weapons to create a nationless partyless army that only served human kind.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Brotherhood_of_Nod.svg/458px-Brotherhood_of_Nod.svg.png

PEACE. THROUGH. POWER.

...or this...

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Alright, so religion may not be the root of all evil, but that wasn't the point of this thread.  I'm just saying that less people would feel the need to give their lives in war should consciousness end at the end of our lives here.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Religion is the root of all evil in this world
Sorry, you already stuck your toe in it.

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lowing
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Disagree.  Religion is commonly used as a scapegoat for conflict.  People are the root of evil in this world.
ouch........something about a nail being hit on the head comes to mind...........excellent
Home
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+447|6847|Seattle, Washington, USA

Yeah, I'd have to say it's not the root. It is, however, a motivator, tool, and excuse.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6289|Éire
Religion is a psychological crutch for weak-minded humans. This may sound insulting and cruel towards anyone who follows a faith but it's my personal belief. This world is often a very cruel and random place and the human psyche often struggles with such an existentialist proposition. Religion provides an easy way of imposing a structure on a situation that in reality lacks any such structure and this gives one the illusion of control.

"Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss,"

-Lou Manheim, Wall Street.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-07-14 01:43:33)

FEOS
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+1,182|6410|'Murka

To blame religion is to ignore human nature.

Man was bashing other men in the head with stones and clubs long before religion came into the picture.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
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Evil only exists in fiction.

Having said that, the wars and violence caused by religion would just be caused by another source if religion didn't exist.
PureFodder
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Religion doesn't cause evil, but it does have the effect of acting as a banner that can draw normally non-violent people into supporting violence that they would never condone without the religious element.
Dilbert_X
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Religion gives groups of people the idea they are better than the next group, and can therefore treat them as they want.
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