Dilbert_X wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Shawshank Redemption - 5/10 Weak script, over-acted schmaltzy characters, cheesy plot.
naaah, the shawshank redemption actually improves on king's weaknesses in my opinion. the vast cinema-watching public tend to agree, as well. who over-acted in that film? i think it's one of the only films where i can take morgan freeman's voice for longer than 15 minutes. and what's cheesy about the plot? i guess you didn't really like that girl with the dragon tattoo garbage you tote in your avatar, then, because that's basically the same cookie-cutter narrative form. there's nothing wrong with relying on a genre/narrative form if you can do something interesting with it - think of all the new neo-noir films that reinvent a genre nearly 100 years old. the prison escape (or more generically the 'man suffering injustice') convention is as old as ancient greek literature, and it still serves well. the important part is what is done with it, and to what effect. in the case of the girl with the dragon tattoo (which i assume you love), it is window-dressed with a female fetish and stuff that gives male cinema-goers a bump in their banana republic khakis. to me that's not particularly interesting. in the case of avatar, they've taken a cliche and generic narrative form - the 'the good guys are actually the bad guys can't you see!' shtick - and have done absolutely nothing with it. they've just placed it right under your nose so it's so obvious that it's aggravating, and have stylized that complete lack of substance-innovation with several billion dollars' worth of pomp and glitter. to me that does not make an average film. anyoe can take a stock plot, do nothing with it, and recreate it with the 'latest omg technology'. in 100 year's time someone could remake dancing with wolves again, only with the latest innovation in cinema-experience technology. would it still get a 7? if so i think you need to get your cinéaste goggles recalibrated.
Shawshank Redemption is pure cheese and schmaltz, liked by the same people who think Pulp Fiction has some value.
The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo is a reasonable film, but not great, I like it for other reasons
i actually don't think pulp fiction is all that great. i think it's quite an insincere film. i also think all of tarantino's best qualities and stylisms as a director are taken wholesale from david lynch - someone by all agreement to be beyond the hollywood pale - and brought down to the friendly big-studio hollywood hipster level. for e.g. the overt, grotesque violence. for e.g. the long rambling digressive conversations between characters that adds bathos and surrealism and absurdity to a scene. for e.g. discussing burgers and fast-food in a serious manner just shortly before killing someone. that's textbook david lynch. tarantino just made it cool for the hollywood hip-crowd. to that extent i think he's second rate.
however the shawshank redemption doesn't have any pretentions of being 'hip' and 'cynical' like a tarantino movie - so i really have zero fucking idea how you are comparing them. why did you pull those two names together? was it just random? it makes about as much sense as comparing the twilight books to gordon ramsay's last cookbook. it makes no fucking sense whatsoever. the shawshank redemption is a straight-hollywood deal, with no pretentions of anythinig else. it's done by darabont - a man in the business of taking big stories and bringing them to the big screen. it succeeds wonderfully at that; it has all of the elements you'd expect from a movie of its genre, and none of them are over-done or insincere.
basically, don't change the dayjob. the world of film criticism is fine without you. although i'd like to say the comparison between the shawshank redemption and pulp fiction is inspired, it's more like the kneejerk whinings of an old man who is hopelessly out of touch and just wildly kicking-out and complaining about whatever takes his fancy. you seem utterly clueless when you can't even give a proper critique. basically, judging from your comments about the girl with the dragon tattoo, the reason you didn't really like the film was because it had no softcore or fetish elements to titillate you. it was a film with an all-male cast which failed to fulfill film's number-one objective for you, which is to make you feel a little less alone and a little less sexless for 120 minutes.
Last edited by Uzique (2012-04-11 08:50:07)