imortal
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I found this, and I really hope it is a joke.  I doubt it is, and is another case of some interesing times in England.  Read, and tell me how this seems to you folks.  I think it is seriously wrong.

Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel in class and pray to Allah
Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and 'pray to Allah' during a religious education lesson.

Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent - which included wearing Muslim headgear - was a breach of their human rights.

One parent, Sharon Luinen, said: "This isn't right, it's taking things too far.

"I understand that they have to learn about other religions. I can live with that but it is taking it a step too far to be punished because they wouldn't join in Muslim prayer.

"Making them pray to Allah, who isn't who they worship, is wrong and what got me is that they were told they were being disrespectful.

"I don't want this to look as if I have a problem with the school because I am generally very happy with it."

Another parent Karen Williams said: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable.

"I haven't got a problem with them teaching my child other religions and a small amount of information doesn't do any harm.

"But not only did they have to pray, the teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.

"Then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshment break because of the teacher.

"Not only was it forced upon them, my daughter was told off for not doing it right.

"They'd never done it before and they were supposed to do it in another language."

"My child has been forced to pray to Allah in a school lesson." The grandfather of one of the pupils in the class said: "It's absolutely disgusting, there's no other way of putting it.

"My daughter and a lot of other mothers are furious about their children being made to kneel on the floor and pray to Islam. If they didn't do it they were given detention.

"I am not racist, I've been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I've also been to a Muslim wedding where it was explained to me that alcohol would not be served and I respected that.

"But if Muslims were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war."


Parents said that their children were made to bend down on their knees on prayer mats which the RE teacher had got out of her cupboard and they were also told to wear Islamic headgear during the lesson on Tuesday afternoon.

Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "It's difficult to know at the moment whether this was part of the curriculum or not. I am not an RE teacher, I am an English teacher.

"At the moment it is our enterprise week and many of our members of staff are away.

"The particular member of staff you need to speak to isn't around. I think that it is a shame that so many parents have got in touch with the Press before coming to me.

"I have spoken to the teacher and she has articulately given me her version of events, but that is all I can give you at the moment."

A statement from Cheshire County Council on behalf of the school read: "The headteacher David Black contacted this authority immediately complaints were received.


"Enquiries are being made into the circumstances as a matter of urgency and all parents will be informed accordingly.

"Educating children in the beliefs of different faith is part of the diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is essential to understanding.

"We accept that such teaching is to be conducted with some sense of sensitivity."
m3thod
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what is with Americans and the daily mail.

Here something to chew on.  The daily mail supported the Nazis.  Look it up.
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imortal
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m3thod wrote:

what is with Americans and the daily mail.

Here something to chew on.  The daily mail supported the Nazis.  Look it up.
I am unfamiliar with the Daily Mail.  I found it on the internet, and I know that does not make it make it true.  So, is it a joke mag?  Sensationalist?
Wrong? Did the event happen?

And what does supporting the Nazis have to do with the story?
God Save the Queen
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this is just as bad as all of the israel threads.

we should all start bashing scientology.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-07-05 19:23:39)

CameronPoe
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Daily Mail. Yay!
PS I'm drunk.
God Save the Queen
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fuck scientology
i g
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God Save the Queen wrote:

fuck scientology
Scorpion0x17
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imortal wrote:

m3thod wrote:

what is with Americans and the daily mail.

Here something to chew on.  The daily mail supported the Nazis.  Look it up.
I am unfamiliar with the Daily Mail.  I found it on the internet, and I know that does not make it make it true.  So, is it a joke mag?  Sensationalist?
Wrong? Did the event happen?

And what does supporting the Nazis have to do with the story?


Joke mag? Yup (pretty much considered a comic). Sensationalist? just a tad. Wrong? they have been known to be. Did the event happen? It's not implausible.

What does supporting Nazis have to do with the story? Well, remember how the Nazis were, well, a little, erm, right-wing?...
Vilham
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

imortal wrote:

m3thod wrote:

what is with Americans and the daily mail.

Here something to chew on.  The daily mail supported the Nazis.  Look it up.
I am unfamiliar with the Daily Mail.  I found it on the internet, and I know that does not make it make it true.  So, is it a joke mag?  Sensationalist?
Wrong? Did the event happen?

And what does supporting the Nazis have to do with the story?


Joke mag? Yup (pretty much considered a comic). Sensationalist? just a tad. Wrong? they have been known to be. Did the event happen? It's not implausible.

What does supporting Nazis have to do with the story? Well, remember how the Nazis were, well, a little, erm, right-wing?...
Total lies! How dare you slander the Nazis as right wing! They were dead centre. One of the worlds few balanced party's.
DesertFox-
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Is The Telegraph any better?

In any case, school is bull in that way because participation ought to be voluntary for lots of things that aren't. I'd be more upset over the fact that they were actually punished than learning and demonstrating the practices of Islam.
usmarine2
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DesertFox- wrote:

Is The Telegraph any better?
No.  You need the "Place Head in the Sand Times" tbh.
Scorpion0x17
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usmarine2 wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

Is The Telegraph any better?
No.  You need the "Place Head in the Sand Times" tbh.
"The see the world as it really is Independent" is better.
M.O.A.B
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

Is The Telegraph any better?
No.  You need the "Place Head in the Sand Times" tbh.
"The see the world as it really is Independent" is better.
Unfair, gritty, with numerous numbers of whacky groups and strange foods.
ZombieVampire!
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God Save the Queen wrote:

this is just as bad as all of the israel threads.

we should all start bashing scientology.
Too easy.

We should all start hating on Buddhists!
God Save the Queen
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dont get me started on those fuckers
S.Lythberg
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God Save the Queen wrote:

we should all start bashing scientology.
there's something we can all agree on

but that's neither debate nor serious, as we're all in agreement that the "religion" is a joke
AussieReaper
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Yet they call it Scientology. It has nothing to do with science, quite the opposite I would imagine.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
S.Lythberg
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Yet they call it Scientology. It has nothing to do with science, quite the opposite I would imagine.
indeed

i suggest a name change to Xenu-ology.
Scorpion0x17
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S.Lythberg wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Yet they call it Scientology. It has nothing to do with science, quite the opposite I would imagine.
indeed

i suggest a name change to Xenu-ology.
But LRH studied engineering and wrote sci-fi - that's kinda like proper science.
God Save the Queen
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scientology sucks
S.Lythberg
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Yet they call it Scientology. It has nothing to do with science, quite the opposite I would imagine.
indeed

i suggest a name change to Xenu-ology.
But LRH studied engineering and wrote sci-fi - that's kinda like proper science.
engineering = science

science fiction, not so much, at least in this case.

Michael Crichton's Sci-Fi is much more sciencey.
Scorpion0x17
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S.Lythberg wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

indeed

i suggest a name change to Xenu-ology.
But LRH studied engineering and wrote sci-fi - that's kinda like proper science.
engineering = science

science fiction, not so much, at least in this case.

Michael Crichton's Sci-Fi is much more sciencey.
The use of the word 'proper' is usually a sign that the writer is being sarcastic.

Oh, and engineering is not the same as, equal or even equivalent to science.

Engineering is the application of science to solve a problem.

Hence I have a BEng in Software Engineering, not a BSc.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-07-05 22:30:50)

S.Lythberg
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

But LRH studied engineering and wrote sci-fi - that's kinda like proper science.
engineering = science

science fiction, not so much, at least in this case.

Michael Crichton's Sci-Fi is much more sciencey.
The use of the word 'proper' is usually a sign that the writer is being sarcastic.

Oh, and Engineering is not the same as, equal or even equivalent to science.

Engineering is the application of science to solve a problem.

Hence I have a BEng in Software Engineering, not a BSc.
(insert orly owl here)

how much do you earn with the software engineering degree?

I'm doing chemical engineering, but i'd like to get some software training as well (assuming i ever have time or money during the next five years, which is unlikely)
Scorpion0x17
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S.Lythberg wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

engineering = science

science fiction, not so much, at least in this case.

Michael Crichton's Sci-Fi is much more sciencey.
The use of the word 'proper' is usually a sign that the writer is being sarcastic.

Oh, and Engineering is not the same as, equal or even equivalent to science.

Engineering is the application of science to solve a problem.

Hence I have a BEng in Software Engineering, not a BSc.
(insert orly owl here)

how much do you earn with the software engineering degree?

I'm doing chemical engineering, but i'd like to get some software training as well (assuming i ever have time or money during the next five years, which is unlikely)
At the moment? 'feck all.

When I was last working - some time ago - I was on 25K (in british money) - that was in a relatively junior position - and I've seen starting salaries of 30K with a good degree (but those are rare (the 30K, not the good degree)).

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-07-05 22:36:54)

S.Lythberg
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:


The use of the word 'proper' is usually a sign that the writer is being sarcastic.

Oh, and Engineering is not the same as, equal or even equivalent to science.

Engineering is the application of science to solve a problem.

Hence I have a BEng in Software Engineering, not a BSc.
(insert orly owl here)

how much do you earn with the software engineering degree?

I'm doing chemical engineering, but i'd like to get some software training as well (assuming i ever have time or money during the next five years, which is unlikely)
At the moment? 'feck all.

When I was last working - some time ago - I was on 25K (in british money) - that was in a relatively junior position - and I've seen starting salaries of 30K with a good degree (but those are rare (the 30K, not the good degree)).
what currency?

ChemE's start upwards of 50K ($), i considered software, but i've heard the field is overcrowded atm

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