Hence why I said "miss quoted"
K got it.Megalomaniac wrote:
Yea, Iraq was none of your concern either, why cant you just leave other countries alone ?usmarine2 wrote:
Not up to me. And I agree. We have a history of rebuilding nations. F that. Wam bam thank you ma'am.Megalomaniac wrote:
Why not just leave the country then and stop wasting troops/lives there?
kthx.
kthx
Iran is just rumor mongering. The United States makes an easy target. Iran is facing pressure on multiple levels.. and not just the US.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Except the US didn't say that, either. The US simply said no options were off the table, to include military options. That means that the issue of Iran's nuclear weapons aspirations is important enough to the US (and the UK, France, Germany, and others) that we are prepared to use all elements of national power (diplomatic, information, military, and economic--DIME) to resolve the situation.PureFodder wrote:
No it's not, but the US didn't announce that they have soldiers. They said that military options are on the table if Iran doesn't do what the US wants.
The equivalent of your situaltion would be telling someone that if they don't do what you want, you refuse to rule out the option of getting your gun and shooting them. Very different.
If we said "we will not resort under any circumstance to military options" then Iran has no reason to cooperate diplomatically. It's not a threat, just something that Iran must consider...and that the US, EU, Russia, and China must consider as well.
Saying you aren't taking those options off the table is nothing at all like saying you will use them if you don't get what you want.
You would go to jail in most countries for simply stating that you have a gun in your house? Srsly?Dilbert_X wrote:
In most countries you would go to prison for saying that. You'd certainly forfeit your gun license.
'You'd better do what I tell you, oh and I have a gun in my house - which I'm just reloading from dealing with the last guy who didn't do what I told him.'
I'd take that as a threat.
I think in those circumstances most people would be reasonably justified in replying - 'Set foot on my land there'll be consequences. Attack me or my family and there'll be consequences'.
Your comparison, while humorous, is not similar to what we're debating here. If it were, then instead of saying "we aren't taking military options off the table" we would have said "we aren't taking military options like this <insert video of TLAMs, B2s, etc blowing shit up> off the table because if you don't play nice, we'll unleash them on you." That would be a threat. See the difference?
The same approach was used with North Korea (not taking military options off the table) regarding their nuke program. Was that viewed as a threat? Nope.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
/threadKmarion wrote:
K got it.Megalomaniac wrote:
Yea, Iraq was none of your concern either, why cant you just leave other countries alone ?usmarine2 wrote:
Not up to me. And I agree. We have a history of rebuilding nations. F that. Wam bam thank you ma'am.
kthx
What's with the bizarre link to the strange looking ladyboy crying about Britney!?Kmarion wrote:
K got it.Megalomaniac wrote:
Yea, Iraq was none of your concern either, why cant you just leave other countries alone ?usmarine2 wrote:
Not up to me. And I agree. We have a history of rebuilding nations. F that. Wam bam thank you ma'am.
kthx
Iran is just rumor mongering. The United States makes an easy target. Iran is facing pressure on multiple levels.. and not just the US.
oh come on brad.....
Bottom line. . . .
Iran is in ACTIVE pursuit of building the worst weapon known to mankind. If you think they should be allowed to build it, or ignorant to the fact that THEY ARE, then you need to be hit with a tack hammer! I think the UN/EU needs a little electro shock treatment to get their heads out of their arses!!!
Iran is in ACTIVE pursuit of building the worst weapon known to mankind. If you think they should be allowed to build it, or ignorant to the fact that THEY ARE, then you need to be hit with a tack hammer! I think the UN/EU needs a little electro shock treatment to get their heads out of their arses!!!
also dont call each other names no name calling..... on the thread let everyone say what they want to say if u provoke others they may not be willing to post again. Also respect everyone's opinion even though they may not think the same.
so no name calling....
and KEEP ON POSTING
so no name calling....
and KEEP ON POSTING
STFU butthole.blademaster wrote:
also dont call each other names no name calling..... on the thread let everyone say what they want to say if u provoke others they may not be willing to post again. Also respect everyone's opinion even though they may not think the same.
so no name calling....
and KEEP ON POSTING http://th159.photobucket.com/albums/t15 … opcorn.gif
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
In Britain and Australia, anything even approaching an implied threat involving firearms is dealt with very seriously, as seriously as if you had pointed a loaded gun at someone, even if you don't even have access to a gun.You would go to jail in most countries for simply stating that you have a gun in your house? Srsly?
I can find the laws if you like, basically it boils down to a threat to kill.
'I don't like you, BTW I have a gun' = 'I'm going to shoot you dead' in the eyes of the court.
Not everyone needs a multimedia show and tell to understand what 'military option' means.we would have said "we aren't taking military options like this <insert video of TLAMs, B2s, etc blowing shit up> off the table because if you don't play nice, we'll unleash them on you."
Having just seen what happened to Iraq the Iranians don't need any explanation, the threat is crystal clear.
If someone said - 'Do what I tell you, or I'll take you to court, if that fails I have a gun' its a very clear threat of violence.
Fuck Israel
Your post is a waste of space tbh. You only state that Iran should not have nuclear weapons and not WHY they should not have nuclear weapons.fadedsteve wrote:
Bottom line. . . .
Iran is in ACTIVE pursuit of building the worst weapon known to mankind. If you think they should be allowed to build it, or ignorant to the fact that THEY ARE, then you need to be hit with a tack hammer! I think the UN/EU needs a little electro shock treatment to get their heads out of their arses!!!
I'am all ears.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
You're talking about threatening to kill someone. We have laws against that in the US, too. Too bad that's not what we're talking about WRT Iran. But interesting sidetrack.Dilbert_X wrote:
In Britain and Australia, anything even approaching an implied threat involving firearms is dealt with very seriously, as seriously as if you had pointed a loaded gun at someone, even if you don't even have access to a gun.You would go to jail in most countries for simply stating that you have a gun in your house? Srsly?
I can find the laws if you like, basically it boils down to a threat to kill.
'I don't like you, BTW I have a gun' = 'I'm going to shoot you dead' in the eyes of the court.
Except that's not what is occurring with Iran. Saying you won't take any options off the table is not a threat in any sense of the term. In fact, we've been so non-threatening toward Iran that the EU thinks we're being too soft with them. If we're so obviously threatening Iran, how do you explain that? Are the EU players in this just thick? Or is it possible--just possible, mind you--that you're overreacting?Dilbert_X wrote:
Not everyone needs a multimedia show and tell to understand what 'military option' means.we would have said "we aren't taking military options like this <insert video of TLAMs, B2s, etc blowing shit up> off the table because if you don't play nice, we'll unleash them on you."
Having just seen what happened to Iraq the Iranians don't need any explanation, the threat is crystal clear.
If someone said - 'Do what I tell you, or I'll take you to court, if that fails I have a gun' its a very clear threat of violence.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I feel it s a threat, a threat to consider all options. Why should we pull an option off the table. That would be stupid. OK, so we won't attack you with military, but we will now commence to brow beat you until you stop your little nuke program.
As for the OP:
Very similar rhetoric was aimed at the US before we entered Iraq. Ever watched a chihuahua bark and growl when a large dog starts eyein em funny.
Edit: Learned how to spell Chihuahua!
As for the OP:
Very similar rhetoric was aimed at the US before we entered Iraq. Ever watched a chihuahua bark and growl when a large dog starts eyein em funny.
Edit: Learned how to spell Chihuahua!
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"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Its not a sidetrack, we're talking about implied threats. Saying 'I have a gun in my house' is an implied threat.You're talking about threatening to kill someone. We have laws against that in the US, too. Too bad that's not what we're talking about WRT Iran. But interesting sidetrack.
Saying the military option is on the table is more than implying.
Explain to me how the following is not a threat.Except that's not what is occurring with Iran. Saying you won't take any options off the table is not a threat in any sense of the term.
Dear Mr Ahmadiminohidontknow.
Please stop your nuclear program, if you don't the options on the table are:
- More letters like this one
- Economic sanctions
- Military attack
Peace be with you, Death to the infidels (Dick - are you sure this is right?)
Duhbya
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Fuck Israel
I think steve is of the mindset that all Middle Eastern nations should stay weak and defenceless so as not to worry the good, peace-loving people of Israel.m3thod wrote:
Your post is a waste of space tbh. You only state that Iran should not have nuclear weapons and not WHY they should not have nuclear weapons.fadedsteve wrote:
Bottom line. . . .
Iran is in ACTIVE pursuit of building the worst weapon known to mankind. If you think they should be allowed to build it, or ignorant to the fact that THEY ARE, then you need to be hit with a tack hammer! I think the UN/EU needs a little electro shock treatment to get their heads out of their arses!!!
I'am all ears.
His reply to this comment will no doubt be something like "Israel are peaceful, they only defend themselves, if the Arab nations stopped attacking them there would be no conflict, why do they want weapons if they supposedly want peace, Iran said they wanted to wipe Israel off the map yadda yadd yadda". There's no point arguing with some people, they just see the world their way and that's that. A common sense solution would involve movements to disarm all nuclear capabilities in the Middle East including Israel. How can we expect one nation not to try and arm itself when their neighbour is continually flexing their military muscles, has never denied their expansionist aims and has full nuclear capabilities themselves?
Israel is on a par with Apartheid South Africa IMO.
'Those poor christian white supremacist racist bigots surrounded by all those horrible unfriendly godless blacks.
We must send them money and weapons to help them spread democracy in Africa.'
LOL at Lisik post below.
'Those poor christian white supremacist racist bigots surrounded by all those horrible unfriendly godless blacks.
We must send them money and weapons to help them spread democracy in Africa.'
LOL at Lisik post below.
Fuck Israel
Saying "I have a gun in my house" isn't anything close to a threat--it's a statement of fact. It doesn't imply intended use or anything else. You're either being obtuse or you have ridiculously thin skin.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its not a sidetrack, we're talking about implied threats. Saying 'I have a gun in my house' is an implied threat.FEOS wrote:
You're talking about threatening to kill someone. We have laws against that in the US, too. Too bad that's not what we're talking about WRT Iran. But interesting sidetrack.
Saying the military option is on the table is more than implying.
If it had occurred (which it didn't), it would be considered a threat. Are you going to keep posting non-existent hypotheticals to support your position, or are you going to provide facts sometime soon?Dilbert_X wrote:
Explain to me how the following is not a threat.FEOS wrote:
Except that's not what is occurring with Iran. Saying you won't take any options off the table is not a threat in any sense of the term.
Dear Mr Ahmadiminohidontknow.
Please stop your nuclear program, if you don't the options on the table are:
- More letters like this one
- Economic sanctions
- Military attack
Peace be with you, Death to the infidels (Dick - are you sure this is right?)
Duhbya
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4919804.stmBush keeps Iran military option.
US President George W Bush says all options, including the use of force, are "on the table" to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.
However, he stressed that the US was trying to resolve the issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions "diplomatically".
He was speaking after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gave a speech threatening to "cut off the hand of the aggressor" if Iran was attacked.
Iran insists its nuclear programme is peaceful, a claim the US rejects.
"All options are on the table," Mr Bush said as he responded to a question at the White House about whether the US was considering military action.
Mr Bush called for "a united effort with countries who recognise the danger of Iran having a nuclear weapon," saying the US was working closely with the UK, France and Germany on the issue.
International pressure over Iran's disputed programme increased last week when Iran announced that it had successfully enriched uranium.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 … 437072.htmGerman Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has rejected the threat of military force against Iran, hours after US President George Bush said he would consider it as a last resort to press Tehran to give up its nuclear program.
The comments came after Mr Bush told Israeli television that "all options are on the table", including the use of force.
Seems close enough to me, one article in 2008, the other 2005.
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Fuck Israel
Oh hai Iran, meet Mr. A-10!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10
So, let's see:Dilbert_X wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4919804.stmBush keeps Iran military option.
US President George W Bush says all options, including the use of force, are "on the table" to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.
However, he stressed that the US was trying to resolve the issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions "diplomatically".
He was speaking after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gave a speech threatening to "cut off the hand of the aggressor" if Iran was attacked.
Iran insists its nuclear programme is peaceful, a claim the US rejects.
"All options are on the table," Mr Bush said as he responded to a question at the White House about whether the US was considering military action.
Mr Bush called for "a united effort with countries who recognise the danger of Iran having a nuclear weapon," saying the US was working closely with the UK, France and Germany on the issue.
International pressure over Iran's disputed programme increased last week when Iran announced that it had successfully enriched uranium.http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 … 437072.htmGerman Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has rejected the threat of military force against Iran, hours after US President George Bush said he would consider it as a last resort to press Tehran to give up its nuclear program.
The comments came after Mr Bush told Israeli television that "all options are on the table", including the use of force.
Seems close enough to me, one article in 2008, the other 2005.
We want to resolve it diplomatically. We're working with the international community to resolve it diplomatically. Bush said no options are off the table (that's not a threat), and he would "consider it a last resort". Hardly a threat there, either.
And all you have is the ex-chancellor of Germany saying he wouldn't consider it. Got anything that they current one has said?
Thanks for posting facts that support my argument. Much appreciated.
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Iran is standing up to the virus that is America.
America is a contagious infection like aids, once it touches a country they will slowly die. Look at Iraq, since Americas involvement in the 80's Iraq has slowly been dying with the gulf war and now this current illegal invasion. There is no cure to this infection except killing the source.
There was a report a few months ago saying Iran isn't making nuclear weapons, yet these Neo-Cons and terrorists are screaming that Iran is making them but provide NO EVIDENCE for there accusations, The jewish lobby controls American foreign policy which shows how "peace" loving they are.
As i said the only way to get rid of this contagious disease which has KILLED MILLIONS is killing the source.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 8#p2032818
If America cannot defeat a group of crazy men with guns what can they do against the Iranian military???
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GwVFQXDx6P4
America is a contagious infection like aids, once it touches a country they will slowly die. Look at Iraq, since Americas involvement in the 80's Iraq has slowly been dying with the gulf war and now this current illegal invasion. There is no cure to this infection except killing the source.
There was a report a few months ago saying Iran isn't making nuclear weapons, yet these Neo-Cons and terrorists are screaming that Iran is making them but provide NO EVIDENCE for there accusations, The jewish lobby controls American foreign policy which shows how "peace" loving they are.
As i said the only way to get rid of this contagious disease which has KILLED MILLIONS is killing the source.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 8#p2032818
If America cannot defeat a group of crazy men with guns what can they do against the Iranian military???
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GwVFQXDx6P4
It's not just the neo's putting pressure on Iran.. shit it's not even just the West. Your anger has consumed your ability to think reasonably.rammunition wrote:
Iran is standing up to the virus that is America.
America is a contagious infection like aids, once it touches a country they will slowly die. Look at Iraq, since Americas involvement in the 80's Iraq has slowly been dying with the gulf war and now this current illegal invasion. There is no cure to this infection except killing the source.
There was a report a few months ago saying Iran isn't making nuclear weapons, yet these Neo-Cons and terrorists are screaming that Iran is making them but provide NO EVIDENCE for there accusations, The jewish lobby controls American foreign policy which shows how "peace" loving they are.
As i said the only way to get rid of this contagious disease which has KILLED MILLIONS is killing the source.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 8#p2032818
If America cannot defeat a group of crazy men with guns what can they do against the Iranian military???
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GwVFQXDx6P4
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Iraq did that to themselves for invading Kuwait. They fucked up anyhow with the Iran-Iraq war. What did America have to do with that war?rammunition wrote:
America is a contagious infection like aids, once it touches a country they will slowly die. Look at Iraq, since Americas involvement in the 80's Iraq has slowly been dying with the gulf war and now this current illegal invasion. There is no cure to this infection except killing the source.
And isn't Germany doing well right now? Why is Germany not dieing?
and japan and korea and interestingly vietnam has been lately doing well also...icecold2510 wrote:
Iraq did that to themselves for invading Kuwait. They fucked up anyhow with the Iran-Iraq war. What did America have to do with that war?rammunition wrote:
America is a contagious infection like aids, once it touches a country they will slowly die. Look at Iraq, since Americas involvement in the 80's Iraq has slowly been dying with the gulf war and now this current illegal invasion. There is no cure to this infection except killing the source.
And isn't Germany doing well right now? Why is Germany not dieing?
Silence! I KEEEL YOU!rammunition wrote:
Iran is standing up to the virus that is America.
America is a contagious infection like aids, once it touches a country they will slowly die. Look at Iraq, since Americas involvement in the 80's Iraq has slowly been dying with the gulf war and now this current illegal invasion. There is no cure to this infection except killing the source.
There was a report a few months ago saying Iran isn't making nuclear weapons, yet these Neo-Cons and terrorists are screaming that Iran is making them but provide NO EVIDENCE for there accusations, The jewish lobby controls American foreign policy which shows how "peace" loving they are.
As i said the only way to get rid of this contagious disease which has KILLED MILLIONS is killing the source.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 8#p2032818
If America cannot defeat a group of crazy men with guns what can they do against the Iranian military???
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GwVFQXDx6P4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
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