I'm not really seeing what mikkle's point is here, other than that apparently diving in football is a decent thing to do.DrunkFace wrote:
Or maybe the fact that I played AFL for 11 years and had my feet, ankles, shins, thighs, hands, back and head all kicked and trodden on multiple times with much more force then that video and never had to sit around crying for mummy. And all of the above getting you feet trod on is by far the least painful. Faking injury is the lowest form sportsmanship and is pathetic on all levels.mikkel wrote:
Wait, so if I post a youtube video of someone getting hit by a car right now, can I also say that what happened in your video doesn't hurt? That seems to be the logic you're going by here.DrunkFace wrote:
Does not hurt...
That hurts.
ffs, stop posting about your "insane" AFL/football/rugby/whatever experiences.
Ronaldo is a cunt. That probably hurt. He probably exadurated the pain.
done, finished, etc.
oh, and, Arshavin > Ronaldo
Ronaldo is a cunt. That probably hurt. He probably exadurated the pain.
done, finished, etc.
oh, and, Arshavin > Ronaldo
Last edited by Jenspm (2008-06-22 10:14:01)
Well, it's great for you that you're apparently a machine, but the twist you likely get in your foot from having it stepped on like that hurts like all hell, and everyone I've seen hit like that have gone down. On and off the pitch. Either you're super-human, full of steroids, or full of shit. In any case, I choose to trust what I've experienced, rather that some person on the Internet.DrunkFace wrote:
Or maybe the fact that I played AFL for 11 years and had my feet, ankles, shins, thighs, hands, back and head all kicked and trodden on multiple times with much more force then that video and never had to sit around crying for mummy. And all of the above getting you feet trod on is by far the least painful. Faking injury is the lowest form sportsmanship and is pathetic on all levels.mikkel wrote:
Wait, so if I post a youtube video of someone getting hit by a car right now, can I also say that what happened in your video doesn't hurt? That seems to be the logic you're going by here.DrunkFace wrote:
Does not hurt...
That hurts.
In Euro 2008, yes. Based on the whole season? No chanceJenspm wrote:
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oh, and, Arshavin > Ronaldo
You're right, and that's the point. It's time for those stubborn, balky old fucks in the FIFA to retire. It's time for them to make way for people who are willing to bring some reform to the sport.mikkel wrote:
I know how football works, you know, and I've always been of the opinion that dramatising things to force calls is unsportsmanlike. What I'm replying to is how people keep bitching about it specifically being in football, and writes off the entire sport because of it. It happens in every sport where the player can get away with it.maef wrote:
Well, how about they actually try and play ball instead of attempting to force referee decisions?mikkel wrote:
Players in all sports try to force rulings through drama. This just happens to be an effective way of doing it in football. If diving like that forced referee decisions in rugby or American football, you'd find it there as well.
I can't recall how many times I've seen a player dive in the box, trying to get a penalty when he could easily have gotten his balance back and reached the ball in time. In most of those situations they don't even get the penalty. And you know why they don't get it? Because the ref just can't trust a player falling anymore because of all the dives these days.
Over the past few decades, football has become so much faster, the old system of ruling just can't cope with it anymore.
I mean, Jesus Christ, even the ultimate conservative sport of Tennis has introduced video reviews.
What other sports do people pretend to be injured other than football? I don't think any different of football because of it, I just think Ronaldo especially is a cunt, although I'm aware others do it. He's just a prime example. But yeah, I can't recall the last time I watched a rugby match where people so blatantly faked an injury. If anyone is faking, they deserve an Oscar, 'cause I've never noticed any.maef wrote:
You're right, and that's the point. It's time for those stubborn, balky old fucks in the FIFA to retire. It's time for them to make way for people who are willing to bring some reform to the sport.mikkel wrote:
I know how football works, you know, and I've always been of the opinion that dramatising things to force calls is unsportsmanlike. What I'm replying to is how people keep bitching about it specifically being in football, and writes off the entire sport because of it. It happens in every sport where the player can get away with it.maef wrote:
Well, how about they actually try and play ball instead of attempting to force referee decisions?
I can't recall how many times I've seen a player dive in the box, trying to get a penalty when he could easily have gotten his balance back and reached the ball in time. In most of those situations they don't even get the penalty. And you know why they don't get it? Because the ref just can't trust a player falling anymore because of all the dives these days.
Over the past few decades, football has become so much faster, the old system of ruling just can't cope with it anymore.
I mean, Jesus Christ, even the ultimate conservative sport of Tennis has introduced video reviews.
Yeah, but it's sort of a slippery slope to go down. I find that what appeals to me the most in football is that it isn't governed by some eagle eye in the sky that sees and knows everything. I like how you might get a decisive set piece on a weak decision, or how offside balls are scored on from time to time.maef wrote:
You're right, and that's the point. It's time for those stubborn, balky old fucks in the FIFA to retire. It's time for them to make way for people who are willing to bring some reform to the sport.mikkel wrote:
I know how football works, you know, and I've always been of the opinion that dramatising things to force calls is unsportsmanlike. What I'm replying to is how people keep bitching about it specifically being in football, and writes off the entire sport because of it. It happens in every sport where the player can get away with it.maef wrote:
Well, how about they actually try and play ball instead of attempting to force referee decisions?
I can't recall how many times I've seen a player dive in the box, trying to get a penalty when he could easily have gotten his balance back and reached the ball in time. In most of those situations they don't even get the penalty. And you know why they don't get it? Because the ref just can't trust a player falling anymore because of all the dives these days.
Over the past few decades, football has become so much faster, the old system of ruling just can't cope with it anymore.
I mean, Jesus Christ, even the ultimate conservative sport of Tennis has introduced video reviews.
I think the right way to go is to make sure that the game has the best referees available, and that unsportsmanlike behaviour like taking obvious dives, or giving out nasty hits while referees aren't looking is punished after the match by a review board, with more than just the impact of a yellow card.
Recorded evidence of obvious dives in critical situations should always result in a one match suspension, if it was up to me.
Well, I'm not talking about faking injury, I'm talking about faking your way to decisions, and taking a dive in football is one of the easiest ways of doing this. I don't watch rugby, but you see all sorts of unsportsmanlike behaviour in trying to turn decisions in other physical sports. American football, for example.ghettoperson wrote:
What other sports do people pretend to be injured other than football? I don't think any different of football because of it, I just think Ronaldo especially is a cunt, although I'm aware others do it. He's just a prime example. But yeah, I can't recall the last time I watched a rugby match where people so blatantly faked an injury. If anyone is faking, they deserve an Oscar, 'cause I've never noticed any.maef wrote:
You're right, and that's the point. It's time for those stubborn, balky old fucks in the FIFA to retire. It's time for them to make way for people who are willing to bring some reform to the sport.mikkel wrote:
I know how football works, you know, and I've always been of the opinion that dramatising things to force calls is unsportsmanlike. What I'm replying to is how people keep bitching about it specifically being in football, and writes off the entire sport because of it. It happens in every sport where the player can get away with it.
Over the past few decades, football has become so much faster, the old system of ruling just can't cope with it anymore.
I mean, Jesus Christ, even the ultimate conservative sport of Tennis has introduced video reviews.
Last edited by mikkel (2008-06-22 10:26:52)
Ah funny shit, never seen him play but he seems like a huge dickhead to me
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While I think that reviewing a game afterwards and giving out punishment for unsportsmanlike conduct is a good idea, the problem is that a suspension isn't going to help the team that lost the game because of the dive. There still needs to be a way do ensure correct decisions in-game.mikkel wrote:
Yeah, but it's sort of a slippery slope to go down. I find that what appeals to me the most in football is that it isn't governed by some eagle eye in the sky that sees and knows everything. I like how you might get a decisive set piece on a weak decision, or how offside balls are scored on from time to time.maef wrote:
You're right, and that's the point. It's time for those stubborn, balky old fucks in the FIFA to retire. It's time for them to make way for people who are willing to bring some reform to the sport.mikkel wrote:
I know how football works, you know, and I've always been of the opinion that dramatising things to force calls is unsportsmanlike. What I'm replying to is how people keep bitching about it specifically being in football, and writes off the entire sport because of it. It happens in every sport where the player can get away with it.
Over the past few decades, football has become so much faster, the old system of ruling just can't cope with it anymore.
I mean, Jesus Christ, even the ultimate conservative sport of Tennis has introduced video reviews.
I think the right way to go is to make sure that the game has the best referees available, and that unsportsmanlike behaviour like taking obvious dives, or giving out nasty hits while referees aren't looking is punished after the match by a review board, with more than just the impact of a yellow card.
Recorded evidence of obvious dives in critical situations should always result in a one match suspension, if it was up to me.
And there are way, way too many wrong decisions on offsides. These days it's almost a rarity to see a game that wasn't influenced by a wrong call on an offside, a free-kick or a penalty. This just needs to stop. In no other sport do referees influence the outcome of a game as massively as they do in football. Say what you want, but in my opinion that is simply unacceptable.
The way I see it, the threat of suspension is enough to keep a team from doing it in the first place. The only situation I can see it as being insufficient in would be a tournament final, but hopefully playing by the rules in all other games will inspire more fair play in the few games in which a team can get away with it.maef wrote:
While I think that reviewing a game afterwards and giving out punishment for unsportsmanlike conduct is a good idea, the problem is that a suspension isn't going to help the team that lost the game because of the dive. There still needs to be a way do ensure correct decisions in-game.mikkel wrote:
Yeah, but it's sort of a slippery slope to go down. I find that what appeals to me the most in football is that it isn't governed by some eagle eye in the sky that sees and knows everything. I like how you might get a decisive set piece on a weak decision, or how offside balls are scored on from time to time.maef wrote:
You're right, and that's the point. It's time for those stubborn, balky old fucks in the FIFA to retire. It's time for them to make way for people who are willing to bring some reform to the sport.
Over the past few decades, football has become so much faster, the old system of ruling just can't cope with it anymore.
I mean, Jesus Christ, even the ultimate conservative sport of Tennis has introduced video reviews.
I think the right way to go is to make sure that the game has the best referees available, and that unsportsmanlike behaviour like taking obvious dives, or giving out nasty hits while referees aren't looking is punished after the match by a review board, with more than just the impact of a yellow card.
Recorded evidence of obvious dives in critical situations should always result in a one match suspension, if it was up to me.
And there are way, way too many wrong decisions on offsides. These days it's almost a rarity to see a game that wasn't influenced by a wrong call on an offside, a free-kick or a penalty. This just needs to stop. In no other sport do referees influence the outcome of a game as massively as they do in football. Say what you want, but in my opinion that is simply unacceptable.
Football is a game of both skill and chance, yeah, but as wildly popular as it is, the basic aspects of the game, such as relying solely on the referees' decisions on the pitch, must be what people want. I know I wouldn't want it any other way.
You're good at judging people.Mutantsteak wrote:
Ah funny shit, never seen him play but he seems like a huge dickhead to me
Well, one perfect example where refs are actually listening to other opinions was the Russia - Netherlands game. Where one of the russians just brought down a guy at the end of the pitch on Russias side, the referee whistled freekick and gave the turk a yellow card - which would have meant a sending off - but then he looked and saw that the linesman had already had his flag up, so he reversed his decision and gave the freekick to the Russians, removing the yellow card... I think that is a perfect example of how some football is moving on, although very slowly, at that. That referre gained a lot of respect that day, you don't see such an action very often.
That's not taking outside input in the decision, though. The referee has always had the right to discuss decisions with his linesmen and the fourth referee. It's just a shame that more referees don't do it.Zimmer wrote:
Well, one perfect example where refs are actually listening to other opinions was the Russia - Netherlands game. Where one of the russians just brought down a guy at the end of the pitch on Russias side, the referee whistled freekick and gave the turk a yellow card - which would have meant a sending off - but then he looked and saw that the linesman had already had his flag up, so he reversed his decision and gave the freekick to the Russians, removing the yellow card... I think that is a perfect example of how some football is moving on, although very slowly, at that. That referre gained a lot of respect that day, you don't see such an action very often.
To be hones, I can't really believe that's what the people want. I am more than sure though, that's what the antique FIFA officials want.mikkel wrote:
The way I see it, the threat of suspension is enough to keep a team from doing it in the first place. The only situation I can see it as being insufficient in would be a tournament final, but hopefully playing by the rules in all other games will inspire more fair play in the few games in which a team can get away with it.maef wrote:
While I think that reviewing a game afterwards and giving out punishment for unsportsmanlike conduct is a good idea, the problem is that a suspension isn't going to help the team that lost the game because of the dive. There still needs to be a way do ensure correct decisions in-game.mikkel wrote:
Yeah, but it's sort of a slippery slope to go down. I find that what appeals to me the most in football is that it isn't governed by some eagle eye in the sky that sees and knows everything. I like how you might get a decisive set piece on a weak decision, or how offside balls are scored on from time to time.
I think the right way to go is to make sure that the game has the best referees available, and that unsportsmanlike behaviour like taking obvious dives, or giving out nasty hits while referees aren't looking is punished after the match by a review board, with more than just the impact of a yellow card.
Recorded evidence of obvious dives in critical situations should always result in a one match suspension, if it was up to me.
And there are way, way too many wrong decisions on offsides. These days it's almost a rarity to see a game that wasn't influenced by a wrong call on an offside, a free-kick or a penalty. This just needs to stop. In no other sport do referees influence the outcome of a game as massively as they do in football. Say what you want, but in my opinion that is simply unacceptable.
Football is a game of both skill and chance, yeah, but as wildly popular as it is, the basic aspects of the game, such as relying solely on the referees' decisions on the pitch, must be what people want. I know I wouldn't want it any other way.
I know quite a few die-hard football fanatics at work and they all say the ruling system needs reforming. Everyone I know that likes the sport is annoyed by all the diving, the wrong calls on offsides and playing for time by faking injuries towards the end of the game.
I didn't watch that game, but I saw a report about that incident today and I have to say I'm really impressed by that ref.Zimmer wrote:
Well, one perfect example where refs are actually listening to other opinions was the Russia - Netherlands game. Where one of the russians just brought down a guy at the end of the pitch on Russias side, the referee whistled freekick and gave the turk a yellow card - which would have meant a sending off - but then he looked and saw that the linesman had already had his flag up, so he reversed his decision and gave the freekick to the Russians, removing the yellow card... I think that is a perfect example of how some football is moving on, although very slowly, at that. That referre gained a lot of respect that day, you don't see such an action very often.
It's a step in the right direction. A small one, but it's a start.
nope, puma v1.06s in blueFatherTed wrote:
You wearing them stupid Vapours?bennisboy wrote:
Well I'm willilng to bet I've taken a lot more studs to the foot than you. It doesn't hurt that much, you just ignore it and keep playing. Dont try saying his boots are thinner, mine or 0.4mm thick on the topMegalomaniac wrote:
I can tell from personal experiences that getting a full grown man stepping on you with the kind of football shoes with metal thingies hurts like living fuck.
So yea, it hurts.
Sam gets some glasses you blind brit.
Thinner and lighter than vapours.
I hate vapours anywy, too narrow on the heel
My F50s> Puma v1.06bennisboy wrote:
nope, puma v1.06s in blueFatherTed wrote:
You wearing them stupid Vapours?bennisboy wrote:
Well I'm willilng to bet I've taken a lot more studs to the foot than you. It doesn't hurt that much, you just ignore it and keep playing. Dont try saying his boots are thinner, mine or 0.4mm thick on the top
http://www.jandksoccer.com/images/v106blue.jpg
Thinner and lighter than vapours.
I hate vapours anywy, too narrow on the heel
Nah I hate the new F50s, they're too plasticy and you get no feelGooners wrote:
My F50s> Puma v1.06bennisboy wrote:
nope, puma v1.06s in blueFatherTed wrote:
You wearing them stupid Vapours?
http://www.jandksoccer.com/images/v106blue.jpg
Thinner and lighter than vapours.
I hate vapours anywy, too narrow on the heel
NOOOOO. My ADIDAS - Copa Mundial own all. Old school baby!
Old Onesbennisboy wrote:
Nah I hate the new F50s, they're too plasticy and you get no feelGooners wrote:
My F50s> Puma v1.06bennisboy wrote:
nope, puma v1.06s in blue
http://www.jandksoccer.com/images/v106blue.jpg
Thinner and lighter than vapours.
I hate vapours anywy, too narrow on the heel
Oh the original F50s? I had them, those n the first iteration of the f50+ were brilliant, after that they went rapidly down hillGooners wrote:
Old Onesbennisboy wrote:
Nah I hate the new F50s, they're too plasticy and you get no feelGooners wrote:
My F50s> Puma v1.06
bennisboy wrote:
Oh the original F50s? I had them, those n the first iteration of the f50+ were brilliant, after that they went rapidly down hillGooners wrote:
Old Onesbennisboy wrote:
Nah I hate the new F50s, they're too plasticy and you get no feel
Not the initial ones.
Ah i cant stand them ones, tried them on n they felt horrible, were a big let down for me after the earlier ones, but each to their ownGooners wrote:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z298 … C00450.jpgbennisboy wrote:
Oh the original F50s? I had them, those n the first iteration of the f50+ were brilliant, after that they went rapidly down hillGooners wrote:
Old Ones
Not the initial ones.
It's just a shame he stood on Ronaldos foot and not his face
Some of his teammates.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
+1Kmarion wrote:
Some of his teammates.