BF2S Forums Why are lots of crimes committed by blacks?

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

and I do not care about stats, I am talking about individualism...personal responsibility.........Anyone that does not want to be poor does not have to be, in America today.............It then becomes a question of ambition, motivation, desire.etc...

So everyone can rise up the ranks of the company if everyone has the ambition until all Americans are the manager......

Reality simply refutes your argument, there are vastly more shitty jobs than well paid middle class ones. Lots of very poor people work a hell of a lot harder than any of us do. At some point factors like intelligence (influenced to upbringing, nutrition etc.), educational opportunities (related to wealth of the area/how shitty the schools are), poverty (do you have to leave school to earn money to support your family) become significant factors that prevent poor people from escaping poverty. Things that will influence your job prospects include; can you afford to drive, can you afford to do activities that look good on a c.v., can you afford to dress very well for that job interview, can you afford to not work for a period while you seek a decent job? Can you afford to do unpaid intership style work as a precursor to getting your job? All of these things favour rich kids over poor kids, hence equal opportunities are not equal even if you ignore any racism.

Background is not a completly defining characteristic, but it's stupid to ignore the influence that it does have.

Your argument requires you to ignore pretty well every study ever done on these topics, you are basically saying that you know better than thousands of  experts in the field.

Reality also dictates that not EVERY white person will rise up to be an astronaut either purefodder......But guess what, there are both black and white astronauts....amazing isn't it?


Well now, you are throwing in varibles that affect both blacks and white alike.....the rich elite are just as exclusive of white lower  classas it is black lower class.

But I am pretty sure Orah, Cosby, Tiger and others seem to manage just fine in that inner circle of rich people.

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

So everyone can rise up the ranks of the company if everyone has the ambition until all Americans are the manager......

Reality simply refutes your argument, there are vastly more shitty jobs than well paid middle class ones. Lots of very poor people work a hell of a lot harder than any of us do. At some point factors like intelligence (influenced to upbringing, nutrition etc.), educational opportunities (related to wealth of the area/how shitty the schools are), poverty (do you have to leave school to earn money to support your family) become significant factors that prevent poor people from escaping poverty. Things that will influence your job prospects include; can you afford to drive, can you afford to do activities that look good on a c.v., can you afford to dress very well for that job interview, can you afford to not work for a period while you seek a decent job? Can you afford to do unpaid intership style work as a precursor to getting your job? All of these things favour rich kids over poor kids, hence equal opportunities are not equal even if you ignore any racism.

Background is not a completly defining characteristic, but it's stupid to ignore the influence that it does have.

Your argument requires you to ignore pretty well every study ever done on these topics, you are basically saying that you know better than thousands of  experts in the field.

Reality also dictates that not EVERY white person will rise up to be an astronaut either purefodder......But guess what, there are both black and white astronauts....amazing isn't it?


Well now, you are throwing in varibles that affect both blacks and white alike.....the rich elite are just as exclusive of white lower  classas it is black lower class.

But I am pretty sure Orah, Cosby, Tiger and others seem to manage just fine in that inner circle of rich people.

Wow, that's a lot of people.  I really don't know why the hell people in NOLA are making such a big deal when there are so many black rich people.

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

and I do not care about stats, I am talking about individualism...personal responsibility.........Anyone that does not want to be poor does not have to be, in America today.............It then becomes a question of ambition, motivation, desire.etc...

So everyone can rise up the ranks of the company if everyone has the ambition until all Americans are the manager......

Reality simply refutes your argument, there are vastly more shitty jobs than well paid middle class ones. Lots of very poor people work a hell of a lot harder than any of us do. At some point factors like intelligence (influenced to upbringing, nutrition etc.), educational opportunities (related to wealth of the area/how shitty the schools are), poverty (do you have to leave school to earn money to support your family) become significant factors that prevent poor people from escaping poverty. Things that will influence your job prospects include; can you afford to drive, can you afford to do activities that look good on a c.v., can you afford to dress very well for that job interview, can you afford to not work for a period while you seek a decent job? Can you afford to do unpaid intership style work as a precursor to getting your job? All of these things favour rich kids over poor kids, hence equal opportunities are not equal even if you ignore any racism.

Background is not a completly defining characteristic, but it's stupid to ignore the influence that it does have.

Your argument requires you to ignore pretty well every study ever done on these topics, you are basically saying that you know better than thousands of  experts in the field.

Reality also dictates that not EVERY white person will rise up to be an astronaut either purefodder......But guess what, there are both black and white astronauts....amazing isn't it?


Well now, you are throwing in varibles that affect both blacks and white alike.....the rich elite are just as exclusive of white lower  classas it is black lower class.

But I am pretty sure Orah, Cosby, Tiger and others seem to manage just fine in that inner circle of rich people.

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Background means dick.........It is the present that matters......and I will be convinced otherwise as soon as I fill out a job aplication that askes questions like.........Is your mother a crack whore? How much does your father make?, Did your father smoke dope, Was your parents ever arrested?

Yes lowing, everyone forms in a vacuum at the age of 18 with a high school diploma from the same school, identical in all abilities, unaffected by anything that has happened in the past....

If in the present you are far less intelligent and able bodied than your peers due to poor upbringing and diet, you can't even attempt to argue that it has no effect on your prospects.

Your lack of even the remotest knowledge of psychology and sociology is astounding.

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Yes lowing, everyone forms in a vacuum at the age of 18 with a high school diploma from the same school, identical in all abilities, unaffected by anything that has happened in the past....

If in the present you are far less intelligent and able bodied than your peers due to poor upbringing and diet, you can't even attempt to argue that it has no effect on your prospects.

Your lack of even the remotest knowledge of psychology and sociology is astounding.

What will it take for you to stop giving passes for criminal behavior?

My Dad beat me is not an excuse for crime, neither is the devil made me do it, or I didn't make the cheerleading squad.

Regardless of your life, YOU are responsible for how you conduct yourself. Period. No excuses. It is not your parents fault, whitey's fault or Santa Clause's fault. If you break into my house and attempt to harm my family, I promise you I will give a fuck NOT about how your daddy ran out on your mother, OR how your GGG grandfather was a fuckin' slave.

So, since you refuse to comment on anything I posted, I assume you've accepted that I, plus sociologists and psychologists are actually right. The high rates of poverty and asociated crime in the black community are in fact due in part to recent American history.

Incidentally, if you can actually hear the devil telling you to commit crimes then it's not your fault because you're crazy.

Masques wrote:

Notice how my posting of how racial perceptions affect hiring and the questions asked by interviewers has been swallowed by this thread.

People need to cling to their outdated stereotypes I suppose.

Masques wrote:

Notice how my posting of how racial perceptions affect hiring and the questions asked by interviewers has been swallowed by this thread.

People need to cling to their outdated stereotypes I suppose.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

So everyone can rise up the ranks of the company if everyone has the ambition until all Americans are the manager......

Reality simply refutes your argument, there are vastly more shitty jobs than well paid middle class ones. Lots of very poor people work a hell of a lot harder than any of us do. At some point factors like intelligence (influenced to upbringing, nutrition etc.), educational opportunities (related to wealth of the area/how shitty the schools are), poverty (do you have to leave school to earn money to support your family) become significant factors that prevent poor people from escaping poverty. Things that will influence your job prospects include; can you afford to drive, can you afford to do activities that look good on a c.v., can you afford to dress very well for that job interview, can you afford to not work for a period while you seek a decent job? Can you afford to do unpaid intership style work as a precursor to getting your job? All of these things favour rich kids over poor kids, hence equal opportunities are not equal even if you ignore any racism.

Background is not a completly defining characteristic, but it's stupid to ignore the influence that it does have.

Your argument requires you to ignore pretty well every study ever done on these topics, you are basically saying that you know better than thousands of  experts in the field.

At last, some reality rears its head in this thread!

If you go back through the thread, I think you'll see that reality has been here since somewhere close to (but not) the OP.

Trouble is, lowtroll keeps pouring bile all over it.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

If you go back through the thread, I think you'll see that reality has been here since somewhere close to (but not) the OP.

Trouble is, lowtroll keeps pouring bile all over it.

*yawn*........the usual non-contributing responses from the usual suspects..

What d'u want me to say?

Lowing, you're wrong.

This entire thread consists of one person after another saying essentially "The answer to the OP is that a larger proportion of poor in the US are black, than are white and it is poverty, not skin colour, that causes crime".

Predominantly interspersed with you spouting yet more bile.

Then someone else comes along and tries to get you to understand this basic and fundamental truth.

And then you spout the same bile over again.

And so the cycle continues.

Face it lowing, you are wrong.

End of thread.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yer right, it ain't skin color..........It is the personal actions of individuals that commit crime that makes them criminals......It is NOT because of slavery or the civil rights movement, or any other era in history that the people in question were never a part of of lived through, to claim suffering.

I have been called a racist because I hold EACH person accountable for their actions. IF we are talking bout the black community then so be it.

If we are talking about the white community then so be it, my observations still apply.......It is consistant. There is nothing racial about it.

Face it scorpion, there is truth tho what I have posted

No, there is simply no truth to what you post.

You assume perfect equality of opportunity, and, yet again, you refuse to accept another fundamental truth that has been explained to you time and time again.

That is, there is no 'equality of opportunity' within the US, Ireland, the UK, Europe, or anywhere in the world.

Ones socio-economic background plays a very large part in determining ones success in life.

More poor in the US are black, than white. Therefore more blacks than whites, in the US, are at a disadvantage. Therefore more blacks than whites, in the US, turn to crime.

Q.E.D.