blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6655
Can you say Police State? The Examiner has the scoop on a controversial new program announced today that would create so-called "Neighborhood Safety Zones" which would serve to partially seal off certain parts of the city. D.C. Police would set-up checkpoints in targeted areas, demand to see ID and refuse admittance to people who don't live there, work there or have a “legitimate reason” to be there. Wow. Just, wow.

Some of the words used to describe such a plan by those quoted in the Examiner story include "breathtaking" and "cockamamie," but that hardly begins to scratch the surface. Interim Attorney General Peter Nickles actually said that measures of this sort have "been used in other cities.” Which cities are those, Mr. Nickles? Warsaw?

Today's proposal appears to be a desperate attempt by the city to tamp down recent violence that has ravaged the city, especially in Ward 5. The "Neighborhood Safety Zones" would last up to 10 days. It's a struggle to think of words to describe such a plan other than authoritarian or ghettoization.

The full description of this plan from the mayor's press release is below.

The Neighborhood Safety Zone initiative has been developed to help increase security for those who live in high-crime areas around the city and to help residents reclaim their communities. The program will authorize the Metropolitan Police Department to set up public safety checks to help safeguard community members and create safer neighborhoods in the District by increasing police presence aimed at deterring crime.

The safety zones will be established only upon request by a District Commander where there is evidence to support the existence of neighborhood violent crime, such as intelligence, violent crime data, police reports and feedback and concerns from the affected community.

Potential Neighborhood Safety Zones must be approved by the Chief of Police, and will be in effect for a maximum of 10 days. Public safety checks will be established along the main thoroughfares of the established neighborhoods. Anyone driving into a designated area may be asked to show valid identification with a home address in that neighborhood, or to provide an explanation for entering the NSZ, such as attending church, a doctor’s appointment or visiting friends or relatives. Pedestrians will not be subject to the public safety checks.

“The Neighborhood Safety Zones is just another tool MPD will employ to stop crime before it happens. The Neighborhood Safety Zone initiative will help residents terrorized by violent crime to take back their neighborhoods,” said Chief Lanier.

Initiatives such as the Neighborhood Safety Zones have been accepted by federal courts as a legitimate law enforcement practice in keeping with the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment. The constitutionality of the NSZ initiative has been reviewed by the D.C. Office of the Attorney General.
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God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6353|tropical regions of london
police state
SGT_Dicklewicz
Member
+33|6634
Slowly but surely Police state, but it is in disguise as all for safety. It also happens so incrementally that "they" hope we don't notice.
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6655

SGT_Dicklewicz wrote:

Slowly but surely Police state, but it is in disguise as all for safety. It also happens so incrementally that "they" hope we don't notice.
true
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6455|The Land of Scott Walker
That's what happens when you're the murder capital of the US and the citizens are not allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves against armed criminals.
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6463|Ontario, Canada
Anyone seen Hitler's speech when he introduced the Gestapo to the people?
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6681|UK

d4rkst4r wrote:

Anyone seen Hitler's speech when he introduced the Gestapo to the people?
heard!
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|6716

Stingray24 wrote:

That's what happens when you're the murder capital of the US and the citizens are not allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves against armed criminals.
That's the problem.  Rather than take the kind of action that the American government has in the past by allowing people more freedom, they are doing the opposite by taking direct control of the situation.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6367|CA, USA
Why is DC such a murder and crime capital in the first place?

bad management at city level?  Who's the mayor?  is he doing a good job?
cops?  are there enough of them to properly service the needs of the people?
unemployment in the city - is this high in DC?
drug enforcement - is there a crack epidemic or something that drives people to rob/steal/kill?

i'd rather they fix the root cause of the problem than treat the symptoms
BVC
Member
+325|6705
Does this mean the USA is a facist state now?

Heres a question for all Americans on this forum:
If you took all the restrictions on your freedoms which have been put in place in the last eight years, and tried to put them in place eight years ago, what do you think would happen?  How large would the outcry be compared to the total outcry that has taken place as a result of the gradual erosion of freedom?

Also, sauce please?

Last edited by Pubic (2008-06-04 18:43:15)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6455|The Land of Scott Walker
Please list the restrictions because I'm not aware of any ...
Ratzinger
Member
+43|6402|Wollongong, NSW, Australia
Ah hah hah
Land of the free and home of the uneducated, led by the nose, and can I pay for that please?
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6777
Band Aid solution.

Deal with the root causes of the problem.
paul386
Member
+22|6255
Funny thing. Research Kennesaw, Georgia.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|5924|Glendale, CA
We are at war with Eastasia, we have always been at war with Eastasia.
Smithereener
Member
+138|6325|California

FallenMorgan wrote:

We are at war with Eastasia, we have always been at war with Eastasia.
You sure it isn't Eurasia?

This is a bad idea. Like many others before me, this does nothing to actually root out the problem - even if it works temporarily, we'd only be cutting down the spines, not unearthing it. The problem is bound to reappear after the ten days are up.

What we need, are three precogs, one female, two male, and one very wealthy Scientologist to prevent any crime from occuring in D.C. /badjoke




O shi-, the thought police are after me
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|5837

God Save the Queen wrote:

police state
It's the law.  Deal with it.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|6716

ZombieVampire! wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

police state
It's the law.  Deal with it.
No; change it.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|5837

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

police state
It's the law.  Deal with it.
No; change it.
Indeed, that was a response to his post in another thread.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|5924|Glendale, CA
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6420|'Murka

If anyone thinks that DC laws/policies are reflective of the rest of the US or stand a snowball's chance in hell of being implemented anywhere else, you need to put down whatever it is you're smoking.

Just as Hollywood isn't America, neither is DC.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6415|North Carolina
D.C. sounds like shit, tbh.
imortal
Member
+240|6674|Austin, TX

Turquoise wrote:

D.C. sounds like shit, tbh.
DC has sounded like shit for a long while now.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|6775|Cambridge (UK)

imortal wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

D.C. sounds like shit, tbh.
DC has sounded like shit for a long while now.
must go to bed before I change 'DC' to 'the US'....
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6420|'Murka

imortal wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

D.C. sounds like shit, tbh.
DC has sounded like shit for a long while now.
It doesn't just sound that way.

But it is probably the most liberal city in America (90+% Dem), spends more per capita in schools than anywhere else, yet has some of the worst schools in the nation; has a handgun ban but one of the highest murder rates in the country; has a huge homeless population...

Yeah...it's awesome.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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