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2008-05-25 14:02:33
Jenspm
penis
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Dauntless wrote:

Whales may still take a considerable length of time to die and there is widespread agreement, especially when it is compared to methods used to kill farm animals, that whaling is inhumane.

The International Whaling Commission announced how many whales could be taken in any year, however, populations continued to decline. In 1985/6 a worldwide moratorium on whaling was put in place, banning all whaling. Norway, however, "took out a reservation", meaning that they could continue by IWC rules to legally hunt North Atlantic minke whales and, in 1993 and 1994, they killed several hundred. This has caused great dismay in other countries, including the U.K., who have officially objected to this hunt. In UK waters it is illegal to intentionally kill, injure, capture or harass any species of whale or dolphin. However, there is little in international law that can be done about hunting, except control of exports which is covered by CITES (the Convention for International Trade in Endangered Species). This is important because the main consumers of whale meat are still the Japanese and, if Norway could legally export whale meat to Japan, this might further promote whaling. In 1993 a shipment of whale meat, labelled as "shrimp", was discovered at Oslo airport in Norway, on route to Asia.

Why does Norway think that it's ok for them to hunt whales?
Because it tastes good.
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2008-05-25 14:04:22
SEREVENT
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Jenspm wrote:

Dauntless wrote:

Whales may still take a considerable length of time to die and there is widespread agreement, especially when it is compared to methods used to kill farm animals, that whaling is inhumane.

The International Whaling Commission announced how many whales could be taken in any year, however, populations continued to decline. In 1985/6 a worldwide moratorium on whaling was put in place, banning all whaling. Norway, however, "took out a reservation", meaning that they could continue by IWC rules to legally hunt North Atlantic minke whales and, in 1993 and 1994, they killed several hundred. This has caused great dismay in other countries, including the U.K., who have officially objected to this hunt. In UK waters it is illegal to intentionally kill, injure, capture or harass any species of whale or dolphin. However, there is little in international law that can be done about hunting, except control of exports which is covered by CITES (the Convention for International Trade in Endangered Species). This is important because the main consumers of whale meat are still the Japanese and, if Norway could legally export whale meat to Japan, this might further promote whaling. In 1993 a shipment of whale meat, labelled as "shrimp", was discovered at Oslo airport in Norway, on route to Asia.

Why does Norway think that it's ok for them to hunt whales?
Because it tastes good.
You burk.

Some people rape children because they think it feels good. What do "normal" or "perfect" people say to that? What do they say to someone wanting a sex change?
2008-05-25 14:05:54
DUnlimited
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To clarify, I am not against legal hunting, be it whales or rabbits, in any way. I am just against the attitude seen in Jens' post.

Jenspm wrote:

1. It's a fucking animal
2. It's not endangered
3. See point 1.
Well that is bullshit. How could any human put a value on an animal, or anything else that is living. Saying "it's just a fucking animal" is ignorant and stupid. I say you really cannot value any life of any creature over some else's. Yes, I know, people are on top of the food chain, true, but our life is still not worth a dime more that an animal's.

A human is a human, but still an animal.

Jenspm wrote:

So that makes it more OK than a whale? Are you fucking shitting me?

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than a whale. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm doesn't mean shit.
You are an animal that was born in a hospital.

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than You. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm as a cow doesn't mean shit.





My point is not to look like an activist. I am not against whale hunting when it is not poaching, but I absolutely hate when people somehow think that animals are just fucking animals. To me their life is just as valuable as ours.
As a matter of fact I do hunt, and fish, but I respect the animal I kill, and use it for food. Nothing wrong with that.

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2008-05-25 14:07:23
gameaddict
Member
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Jenspm wrote:

gameaddict wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

I don't fucking care, as long as it tastes good.


No seriously, I really don't care how we kill our seals, whales, pigs, sheep, whatever. The more important part of the food subject, is spreading it around to fellow humans. Here we are, complaining about someone killing an animal that isn't endangered at all, while there are millions of people in the world who don't even have enough food. Jesus fuck:

1. It's a fucking animal
2. It's not endangered
3. See point 1.
At point 1 there are shitload of people in the world that i rather let die then a innocent animal.
Vegetarian?

If not, your argument fucking fails. All your meat and steaks come from innocent animals.



How the fuck is a whale more innocent than a cow?
True, also sorry if i come over as some PETA member.
I myself also don't really care if people hunt whale if it's not the endangered species ones (and not to cruel methods).

My point was just more that we praise humankind maybe a a bit to much, i always find it weird when i see something in the news ''guy beats his dog to death'' and only gets a couple of months, but when it would be a kid he would get lifetime or deaths sentence, i mean if your sick enough to beat a animal to death with a stick what's stopping you to kill a human being.
2008-05-25 14:07:35
Lai
Member
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Sydney wrote:

Mint Sauce wrote:

It tastes good doesn't Sydney, so does Dolphin.
I wouldn't know, haven't tasted dolphin.
ZOMG,.. really, you never had canned tunafish?
2008-05-25 14:10:34
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
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I want to try it, might taste good, send some to me?
2008-05-25 14:13:13
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7180|St. Andrews / Oslo

DeathUnlimited wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

1. It's a fucking animal
2. It's not endangered
3. See point 1.
Well that is bullshit. How could any human put a value on an animal, or anything else that is living. Saying "it's just a fucking animal" is ignorant and stupid. I say you really cannot value any life of any creature over some else's. Yes, I know, people are on top of the food chain, true, but our life is still not worth a dime more that an animal's.

A human is a human, but still an animal.

Jenspm wrote:

So that makes it more OK than a whale? Are you fucking shitting me?

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than a whale. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm doesn't mean shit.
You are an animal that was born in a hospital.

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than You. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm as a cow doesn't mean shit.
Because that's how Nature works. It's called a food chain.

Do you have anything against small fish killing (and eating) plankton? Probably not.
Do you have anything against medium fish killing (and eating) small fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against big fish killing (and eating) medium sized fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against whales killing (and eating) big fish? Probably not.

So, why do have have something against humans killiung (and eating) whales?
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2008-05-25 14:14:41
dan673
Member
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PETA has just ransacked BF2s.

Anyway, I love meat. I never had whale meat, but I would love to try some.

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2008-05-25 14:14:49
DUnlimited
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Jenspm wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

1. It's a fucking animal
2. It's not endangered
3. See point 1.
Well that is bullshit. How could any human put a value on an animal, or anything else that is living. Saying "it's just a fucking animal" is ignorant and stupid. I say you really cannot value any life of any creature over some else's. Yes, I know, people are on top of the food chain, true, but our life is still not worth a dime more that an animal's.

A human is a human, but still an animal.

Jenspm wrote:

So that makes it more OK than a whale? Are you fucking shitting me?

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than a whale. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm doesn't mean shit.
You are an animal that was born in a hospital.

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than You. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm as a cow doesn't mean shit.
Because that's how Nature works. It's called a food chain.

Do you have anything against small fish killing (and eating) plankton? Probably not.
Do you have anything against medium fish killing (and eating) small fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against big fish killing (and eating) medium sized fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against whales killing (and eating) big fish? Probably not.

So, why do have have something against humans killiung (and eating) whales?
No, read edits ^^
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2008-05-25 14:15:06
SEREVENT
MASSIVE G STAR
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Just think, if you were confronted by the whale, it would stare at you, then swim off. You have to remember that the whale wouldn't eat you, but you would eat it.
2008-05-25 14:15:06
oChaos.Haze
Member
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Jenspm wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

1. It's a fucking animal
2. It's not endangered
3. See point 1.
Well that is bullshit. How could any human put a value on an animal, or anything else that is living. Saying "it's just a fucking animal" is ignorant and stupid. I say you really cannot value any life of any creature over some else's. Yes, I know, people are on top of the food chain, true, but our life is still not worth a dime more that an animal's.

A human is a human, but still an animal.

Jenspm wrote:

So that makes it more OK than a whale? Are you fucking shitting me?

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than a whale. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm doesn't mean shit.
You are an animal that was born in a hospital.

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than You. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm as a cow doesn't mean shit.
Because that's how Nature works. It's called a food chain.

Do you have anything against small fish killing (and eating) plankton? Probably not.
Do you have anything against medium fish killing (and eating) small fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against big fish killing (and eating) medium sized fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against whales killing (and eating) big fish? Probably not.

So, why do have have something against humans killiung (and eating) whales?
Umm maybe because we have the intelligence, the ability, and the compassion to NOT HAVE TO. 

Dark Ages called, they want their senselessness back...

Fact is, humans have the full ability to live a healthy life without ever killing an animal.  We choose to, through laziness, taste of meat, and other reasons.  There is no justification of food chain anymore.  The same intelligence that gave us the ability to use a weapon to kill an animal, is the same intelligence that later makes us able to survive without having to do so.

edit.  I eat meat, free range, organic, and humanely slaughtered.  Everytime I do eat it, I thank the animal for giving it's life for me to live so well.  I personally believe the Native Americans had a few things really right...

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2008-05-25 14:16:10
Mint Sauce
Frighteningly average
+780|6734|eng

Lai wrote:

Sydney wrote:

Mint Sauce wrote:

It tastes good doesn't Sydney, so does Dolphin.
I wouldn't know, haven't tasted dolphin.
ZOMG,.. really, you never had canned tunafish?
WTF yo, I'm not talking about Tuna, i'm talking about Dolphin..

And everyone, stop attacking Sydney. If you had read his post he said his parents were trying it for the first time, so he had some, it's not exactly like he went out and killed fucking 35465463126984 whales and eats one a day. Jesus. And you don't need to attack people because their opinions differ from yours, and yes, I am talking to you Arnott.

Whale does taste nice, distantly similiar to squid in texture.. But he posted to tell us that he had Whale, and it was a first-time-in-his-life experience, and he wanted to see if others had tasted it, and what they thought, not to get fucking attacked by Animal Rights Campaigners.

Fuck.
#rekt
2008-05-25 14:16:52
dan673
Member
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SEREVENT wrote:

Just think, if you were confronted by the whale, it would stare at you, then swim off. You have to remember that the whale wouldn't eat you, but you would eat it.
So if you were confronted by a tiger, would you walk off into the sunset?
2008-05-25 14:17:09
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7180|St. Andrews / Oslo

oChaos.Haze wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

1. It's a fucking animal
2. It's not endangered
3. See point 1.
Well that is bullshit. How could any human put a value on an animal, or anything else that is living. Saying "it's just a fucking animal" is ignorant and stupid. I say you really cannot value any life of any creature over some else's. Yes, I know, people are on top of the food chain, true, but our life is still not worth a dime more that an animal's.

A human is a human, but still an animal.

You are an animal that was born in a hospital.

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than You. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm as a cow doesn't mean shit.
Because that's how Nature works. It's called a food chain.

Do you have anything against small fish killing (and eating) plankton? Probably not.
Do you have anything against medium fish killing (and eating) small fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against big fish killing (and eating) medium sized fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against whales killing (and eating) big fish? Probably not.

So, why do have have something against humans killiung (and eating) whales?
Umm maybe because we have the intelligence, the ability, and the compassion to NOT HAVE TO. 

Dark Ages are over, they want their senselessness back...
And then we get to the question:

Why should we have the compassion to not kill whales, but still kill cows?
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2008-05-25 14:18:17
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7291|Reykjavík, Iceland.

oChaos.Haze wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

1. It's a fucking animal
2. It's not endangered
3. See point 1.
Well that is bullshit. How could any human put a value on an animal, or anything else that is living. Saying "it's just a fucking animal" is ignorant and stupid. I say you really cannot value any life of any creature over some else's. Yes, I know, people are on top of the food chain, true, but our life is still not worth a dime more that an animal's.

A human is a human, but still an animal.

You are an animal that was born in a hospital.

Please explain to me how the cow deserves death more than You. The fact that he was unlucky and born on a farm as a cow doesn't mean shit.
Because that's how Nature works. It's called a food chain.

Do you have anything against small fish killing (and eating) plankton? Probably not.
Do you have anything against medium fish killing (and eating) small fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against big fish killing (and eating) medium sized fish? Probably not.
Do you have anything against whales killing (and eating) big fish? Probably not.

So, why do have have something against humans killiung (and eating) whales?
Umm maybe because we have the intelligence, the ability, and the compassion to NOT HAVE TO. 

Dark Ages called, they want their senselessness back...
Why the hell shouldn't we? We are carnivores, we are supposed to eat meat! Why are wales so much holier than cows, chicken, etc?
2008-05-25 14:21:05
Lai
Member
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SEREVENT wrote:

Just think, if you were confronted by the whale, it would stare at you, then swim off. You have to remember that the whale wouldn't eat you, but you would eat it.
You do realise that if every carnivoureous or omnivoureous species thought like that the whole concept of food chain wouldn't exist?

Mint Sauce wrote:

Lai wrote:

Sydney wrote:


I wouldn't know, haven't tasted dolphin.
ZOMG,.. really, you never had canned tunafish?
WTF yo, I'm not talking about Tuna, i'm talking about Dolphin..
There always used to be dolphin in canned tuna. The fishermen caught the in their nets accidentally and just minced them through as they died anyway. It was banned, dolphins were better avoided and most canned tuna brands are now dolphin free. I remember canned tuna labels explicitly stating 'dolphin free'.
2008-05-25 14:22:08
SEREVENT
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dan673 wrote:

SEREVENT wrote:

Just think, if you were confronted by the whale, it would stare at you, then swim off. You have to remember that the whale wouldn't eat you, but you would eat it.
So if you were confronted by a tiger, would you walk off into the sunset?
Yes. a tiger wouldn't even go near you unless you threatened it.

Sydney wrote:

Why the hell shouldn't we? We are carnivores, we are supposed to eat meat! Why are wales so much holier than cows, chicken, etc?
Fine then, eat your whales, breed them youself then. You want to eat whale then go do it. We breed chikens and cows because they are "cheap" and "easy" but nothing is easy or cheap to look after properly. Go into a chicken "farm" and see how they are kept.

Mint Sauce wrote:

And everyone, stop attacking Sydney. If you had read his post he said his parents were trying it for the first time, so he had some, it's not exactly like he went out and killed fucking 35465463126984 whales and eats one a day. Jesus. And you don't need to attack people because their opinions differ from yours, and yes, I am talking to you Arnott.
He doesn't have to reply.
2008-05-25 14:23:29
oChaos.Haze
Member
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I'm not saying don't.  I'm just saying that we don't HAVE to and using the food chain as justification is pointless.  We have evolved beyond the earth's food chain.  We aren't even in the same category anymore as animals who hunt and kill to live.

I'm not against eating meat, I merely joined the conversation once it turned to using the food chain as evidence that it's ok to slaughter animals.  If we could just admit we do it out of selfishness, it would be much easier on my ears. 

Eat meat, do what you want.  I just wanted to show that we don't have to...
2008-05-25 14:24:24
=NHB=Shadow
hi
+322|6814|California
K, im going to go eat a cow.
2008-05-25 14:25:26
dan673
Member
+46|6431

SEREVENT wrote:

dan673 wrote:

SEREVENT wrote:

Just think, if you were confronted by the whale, it would stare at you, then swim off. You have to remember that the whale wouldn't eat you, but you would eat it.
So if you were confronted by a tiger, would you walk off into the sunset?
Yes. a tiger wouldn't even go near you unless you threatened it.
Wrong, the chance of a tiger attacking you is very high, especially when near or around their young. The chance of a tiger eating you is very rare, which is not my point.
2008-05-25 14:25:45
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7180|St. Andrews / Oslo

oChaos.Haze wrote:

I'm not saying don't.  I'm just saying that we don't HAVE to and using the food chain as justification is pointless.  We have evolved beyond the earth's food chain.  We aren't even in the same category anymore as animals who hunt and kill to live.

I'm not against eating meat, I merely joined the conversation once it turned to using the food chain as evidence that it's ok to slaughter animals.  If we could just admit we do it out of selfishness, it would be much easier on my ears. 

Eat meat, do what you want.  I just wanted to show that we don't have to...
Question: Do we have enough vegetables to serve 3 meals to 6.7 billion people every day?
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2008-05-25 14:25:49
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,055|7071|Little Bentcock
Has anyone ever heard the saying "All is one, one is all"?

It applies perfectly
2008-05-25 14:25:52
DUnlimited
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oChaos.Haze wrote:

If we could just admit we do it out of selfishness, it would be much easier on my ears.
My point in one sentence as well.
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2008-05-25 14:26:34
Sydney
2λчиэλ
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SEREVENT wrote:

Sydney wrote:

Why the hell shouldn't we? We are carnivores, we are supposed to eat meat! Why are wales so much holier than cows, chicken, etc?
Fine then, eat your whales, breed them youself then. You want to eat whale then go do it. We breed chikens and cows because they are "cheap" and "easy" but nothing is easy or cheap to look after properly. Go into a chicken "farm" and see how they are kept.
We don't breed whales, and we are never going to, we hunt wild whales...
2008-05-25 14:26:55
oChaos.Haze
Member
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Jenspm wrote:

oChaos.Haze wrote:

I'm not saying don't.  I'm just saying that we don't HAVE to and using the food chain as justification is pointless.  We have evolved beyond the earth's food chain.  We aren't even in the same category anymore as animals who hunt and kill to live.

I'm not against eating meat, I merely joined the conversation once it turned to using the food chain as evidence that it's ok to slaughter animals.  If we could just admit we do it out of selfishness, it would be much easier on my ears. 

Eat meat, do what you want.  I just wanted to show that we don't have to...
Question: Do we have enough vegetables to serve 3 meals to 6.7 billion people every day?
We sure could if people were willing to eat it...
Fruits, Vegetables, Grains, Nuts.  I admit it's not appealing, but possible nonetheless...

Not to mention for more food, you'd plant a seed, instead of go arm deep in an animals ass, lol

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