U.S. Soldier Uses Quran for Target Practice

2008-05-20 02:23:47

#151

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6426|'Murka

ZombieVampire! wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
And how is it that this young and poor Judea-Christian society rose to become the most powerful nation in the world? Could it be that we took to the fields and built a society based on equal rights?
Like the rights afford to gays? Or perhaps the rights afforded to the innocent people in Guantanamo Bay?

Because European and other countries have such a great track record with equal rights that they have room to criticize?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2008-05-20 02:38:13

#152

ZombieVampire!: The Gecko; +69|5842

And I said that...................where?

2008-05-20 02:52:30

#153

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6636|London, England

Kmarion wrote:
And how is it that this young and poor Judea-Christian society rose to become the most powerful nation in the world? Could it be that we took to the fields and built a society based on equal rights?

Because just like Islam, Christianity conquered countries (yes even Europe) through force or trickery. I know it's hard to beleive that the only reason you're part of a religion is because your ancestors were most likely forced. But that's how it is. Especially for Islam. Apart from the Arabs most other people are Muslim because they were forced...

You talk about preserving whatever you have, when Christianity/Islam isn't even what you are (for most people here)

Hell the only reason Christianity rose to prominence in Rome was because somehow a Christian became ruler and then shut down/raped the ancestral Roman Religion. And because the Romans were kind enough eventually to not completely obliterate Christianity, is the only reason it survived. Even though Christianity went on to not return the favour to the Roman Religion.

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-05-20 02:54:14)

2008-05-20 03:15:14

#154

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6426|'Murka

ZombieVampire! wrote:
And I said that...................where?

You criticize others for something your own country is just as guilty of. That's where.

Last edited by FEOS (2008-05-20 03:21:11)

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2008-05-20 03:16:38

#155

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6570

Drakef wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
Drakef wrote:
I enjoyed the thought of a Quran being shot
???

I'm an atheist and I don't find someone urinating on the bible, farting on Buddhist scriptures, shooting at the Quran or shitting on the Torah in the least bit enjoyable. It's playground nonsense - not what one would expect of an adult. Your view on this really is quite moronic, uncultured, immature, vacuous, senseless and repugnant. Insulting people simply for the sake of insulting people is not clever, it's not big and it's not 'the grown up thing to do'.
It is not the act itself that impressed me, but the nature of the act. In that action, it is withholding the 'holiness' of the Quran and recognizing it as a mundane object. In the particular way that the soldier acted does not strike me as anything fantastic, if not "playground nonsense" as you put it well. I see no value in firing at a Quran particularly, but as a social statement, there is an interesting essence to it that intrigues me. It is well known that I am anti-religious, and that I view Islam as a repulsive, violent religion. Functionally, this act is definitely misguided, as I have clearly stated, for practical reasons of the situation; however, it is not necessarily wrong if viewed within the single context of a man firing at a book.

Perhaps I wrote too quickly in my initial post that did not fully explain my position, but I somehow doubt that even this will clear it up. We will likely still disagree at the day's end. I never thought that I would find myself at the end of one of CamPoe's tirades, but that is one particularly vicious statement you have made. Fuck you too, buddy.

My comment was directed at the perpetrator of the act - the American soldier in this case. I wouldn't agree with your assertion that the act is 'impressive'. It is actually quite an easy act to perform.

2008-05-20 06:24:10

#156

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6121|eXtreme to the maX

Well, it seems to me that you have a bunch of nations whom oppress their women, their poor. You have a bunch of nations who make it a crime punishable by death to convert from Islam to another religion. You have a bunch of nations who still have public executions by various forms. You have a bunch of nations who would rather let a bunch of school girls burn to death than risk having them be tainted or spoiled by the men of their country (rampant pedophilia, or rampant irrational paranoia, your choice there). You have a bunch of violent, backward people who support the use of bombs on busses and in school yards to promote political platforms. You have a bunch of people who riot and kill over cartoons. FRIGGIN CARTOONS.

Not much different from America really.
- The whole nation is totally beholden to the Christian nutjobs, zionists and the Israelis
- Oppressing women - just how much porn does america prodcue these days?
- Has an amazing number of people living in poverty for a developed nation
- Still has (almost) public executions - but not so many good ole white boys for some reason
- Violent, backward people who support bombing anyone, old men, women, children, if it helps their corporations make money.
- How many children have members of the US Catholic church abused over the years? - oh and not forgetting the mormons with their polygamy and marrying 15 year olds.

PS Duhbya just apologised.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi … 410367.stm
'US President George W Bush has made a personal apology over the shooting of a Koran by an American soldier, Iraq's government has said in a statement.
Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's office said Mr Bush had promised to send the accused American sniper to trial.'

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2008-05-20 06:27:26

#157

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|6686|UK

Vax wrote:
Crusades were when ?

I'm not even religious, but man, it hardly seems worth engaging someone who thinks american christians are generally on the same plane as middle eastern muslims.

We don't have any roadsigns like this one, not even in the 'bible belt'

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4882 … eidgl3.jpg

That road leads to Mecca. Unless you plan to convert to Islam and circle the Kabaa 7 times what use is it for you to travel down there? Masjid al-Haram and Mecca are not sightseeing spectacles.

It's not like aparthaid is implemented in Saudi, you dont have to show your papers at checkpoints and you wont have to sit on a different bench or drink from a different water fountain. The cultural values of the of the host nation are to be respected if you can't accept that, don't go.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-05-20 06:28:36

#158

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6121|eXtreme to the maX

And how is it that this young and poor Judea-Christian society rose to become the most powerful nation in the world? Could it be that we took to the fields and built a society based on equal rights?

Um, this happened after the indigenous indians were practically wiped out right?
But I can't remember, was it before or after slavery ended - and when were blacks were allowed to vote?

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2008-05-20 07:09:16

#159

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|6751|Salt Lake City

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
lol

"A military investigation found the shooter guilty and relieved him of duty"

What exactly is he guilty of? Working on his aim?

My guess would be conduct unbecoming.

2008-05-20 07:40:47

#160

13rin: Member; +977|6494

Dilbert_X wrote:
And how is it that this young and poor Judea-Christian society rose to become the most powerful nation in the world? Could it be that we took to the fields and built a society based on equal rights?
Um, this happened after the indigenous indians were practically wiped out right?
But I can't remember, was it before or after slavery ended - and when were blacks were allowed to vote?

After. So it really only took us 60 or so years... Ya'lls excuse is?

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2008-05-20 08:34:41

#161

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6616|132 and Bush

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
And how is it that this young and poor Judea-Christian society rose to become the most powerful nation in the world? Could it be that we took to the fields and built a society based on equal rights?
Because just like Islam, Christianity conquered countries (yes even Europe) through force or trickery. I know it's hard to beleive that the only reason you're part of a religion is because your ancestors were most likely forced. But that's how it is. Especially for Islam. Apart from the Arabs most other people are Muslim because they were forced...

You talk about preserving whatever you have, when Christianity/Islam isn't even what you are (for most people here)

Hell the only reason Christianity rose to prominence in Rome was because somehow a Christian became ruler and then shut down/raped the ancestral Roman Religion. And because the Romans were kind enough eventually to not completely obliterate Christianity, is the only reason it survived. Even though Christianity went on to not return the favour to the Roman Religion.

I am not a part of any religion. So it's not hard for me to believe anything. As far as history I think I can hang with the best of them around here. If anyone wants to argue the progression in Islam (as advocated by their leaders) let me know.

Mek wrote:
Apart from the Arabs most other people are Muslim because they were forced...

Try again:

The Banu Qurayza surrendered and all the men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were beheaded, while all the women and children were enslaved.

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ZombieVampire! wrote:
Like the rights afford to gays?

Do you really want to go there? You are comparing a piece of paper (They have full rights here believe it or not), to swinging by their necks in Iran under state orders (which of course doesn't have gays ).

Or perhaps the rights afforded to the innocent people in Guantanamo Bay?

This is under the orders of the pope? Cmon, You can do better than that.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-05-20 10:19:50

#162

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|6686|UK

Aapje wrote:
Burning flags and even burning soldiers is no deal at all but shooting a Quran is?

They even apologized.. What's the big deal why does this even needs to be in the news?

Differentiating yourself form the flag burning tools is of the utmost importance. If you can't do that....then why are you even there?

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-05-20 10:19:51

#163

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6636|London, England

@Kmarion

Yeah, I knew there were even some Arabs that were forced to convert too, Muhammads first wars were to fight his own people so he could gain power. It's a terrible religion...

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-05-20 10:20:17)

2008-05-20 13:02:04

#164

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6616|132 and Bush

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
@Kmarion

Yeah, I knew there were even some Arabs that were forced to convert too, Muhammads first wars were to fight his own people so he could gain power. It's a terrible religion...

For what it's worth I think uncontested belief in anything is dangerous and oppressive.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-05-20 13:21:35

#165

retro77: meh.; +1|5837

If you have ever met a real sniper, that has seen action, you will know that they are a little off. This doesn't suprise me at all.

2008-05-20 13:27:41

#166

Vax: Member; +42|5867|Flyover country

retro77 wrote:
If you have ever met a real sniper, that has seen action, you will know that they are a little off. This doesn't suprise me at all.

Point.

When you shoot people for a living, you may have a skewed sense of social etiquette..

Doesn't excuse, but it's a consideration.

2008-05-20 13:29:08

#167

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6583|Mountains of NC

retro77 wrote:
If you have ever met a real sniper, that has seen action, you will know that they are a little off. This doesn't suprise me at all.

you rang

he better have kept a good grouping

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2008-05-20 13:36:39

#168

retro77: meh.; +1|5837

I say meh to the whole incident. I don't condone it but you can't take back stuff that happened.

2008-05-20 13:56:08

#169

zeidmaan: Member; +234|6430|Vienna

It doesnt matter that people in the west dont get upset when someone burns a Bible or spits on a flag. What matter is that people in the middle east do get upset when Quran is desecrated.

2008-05-20 14:12:58

#170

iamangry: Member; +59|6660|The United States of America

zeidmaan wrote:
It doesnt matter that people in the west dont get upset when someone burns a Bible or spits on a flag. What matter is that people in the middle east do get upset when Quran is desecrated.

....Which is a fault of theirs which they need to work on. So is their obsession with making clothing from plastic explosives.

2008-05-20 14:15:07

#171

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6506|Northern California

SEREMAKER wrote:
retro77 wrote:
If you have ever met a real sniper, that has seen action, you will know that they are a little off. This doesn't suprise me at all.
you rang

he better have kept a good grouping

haha, i was gonna say something to that effect adding that if he had destroyed the book good enough, nobody would have known!

2008-05-20 14:22:06

#172

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6636|London, England

Yeah, how does something like this get out? Did he post a video on the intertubes or something?

All it says is "he admitted it"

Unlike massacring a village, things like this are best kept under wraps.

2008-05-20 14:23:41

#173

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6636|London, England

Nevermind, from the other topic:

The soldier was sent home by the US military after the Muslim holy book was found riddled with bullet holes at a shooting range by Iraqi police.

They found it.

2008-05-20 14:26:01

#174

zeidmaan: Member; +234|6430|Vienna

iamangry wrote:
zeidmaan wrote:
It doesnt matter that people in the west dont get upset when someone burns a Bible or spits on a flag. What matter is that people in the middle east do get upset when Quran is desecrated.
....Which is a fault of theirs which they need to work on. So is their obsession with making clothing from plastic explosives.

yep but we are talking about how the westerners should act. If anyone here happens to find him self in the ME (business trip for example) he shouldnt burn the Quran just because he can burn a Bible back home.

2008-05-20 15:43:34

#175

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6420|North Carolina

zeidmaan wrote:
iamangry wrote:
zeidmaan wrote:
It doesnt matter that people in the west dont get upset when someone burns a Bible or spits on a flag. What matter is that people in the middle east do get upset when Quran is desecrated.
....Which is a fault of theirs which they need to work on. So is their obsession with making clothing from plastic explosives.
yep but we are talking about how the westerners should act. If anyone here happens to find him self in the ME (business trip for example) he shouldnt burn the Quran just because he can burn a Bible back home.

Of course... Western businessmen aren't suicidal... like our enemies are.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-05-20 15:44:24)

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Kmarion wrote:

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