BF2S Forums U.S. Soldier Uses Quran for Target Practice

I feel the people in the middle east need to see more of this.  Many of the people there are forced into Islam and with the war on, now would be a good time for people to lash back at that repressive belief system that causes the world so much grief.  Maybe if the US military went into Iraq with more of a " fuck you we bow to nobody's beliefs " and entered the Mosques, killed Al Sadar's Soldiers, executed defiant Clerics, and didn't show weakness when faced with religious intollerance it would have emboldened the local population to give the finger to the establishment that repressed them for centuries.

Fuck Islam, draw any cartoon you want and mention Mohamad by name.  Just because some uneducated desert tribes allow themselves to be repressed by it, this doesn't mean the whole world has too.  What the Military did just showed the people that they fear Islam and reinforced their belief that the US military are infidels who will bow before the will of Allah and be defeated.

The poor uneducated people of Iraq need jobs, freedom, and protection from Islamic Society, Islamic Laws, and Islamic Tribal Rule.

Regardless of my views on Islam/Religion and how much lulz I would have got out of seeing a video of this. When you do shit like this, you're not helping ANYONE. You're just making the situation worse. They need to stop making it so easy for the enemy to recruit new people.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I feel the people in the middle east need to see more of this.  Many of the people there are forced into Islam and with the war on, now would be a good time for people to lash back at that repressive belief system that causes the world so much grief.  Maybe if the US military went into Iraq with more of a " fuck you we bow to nobody's beliefs " and entered the Mosques, killed Al Sadar's Soldiers, executed defiant Clerics, and didn't show weakness when faced with religious intollerance it would have emboldened the local population to give the finger to the establishment that repressed them for centuries.

Fuck Islam, draw any cartoon you want and mention Mohamad by name.  Just because some uneducated desert tribes allow themselves to be repressed by it, this doesn't mean the whole world has too.  What the Military did just showed the people that they fear Islam and reinforced their belief that the US military are infidels who will bow before the will of Allah and be defeated.

The poor uneducated people of Iraq need jobs, freedom, and protection from Islamic Society, Islamic Laws, and Islamic Tribal Rule.

Wow. You've just displayed the attitude that has caused not only this conflict, but probably a large portion of the wars throughout history. One group of people deciding what best for another group without any regard to what they might want. The Iraqis don't want to be freed from Islam. Don't you think attempting to do that will just turn more of them against us? Oh wait a minute, we already did that when we invaded Iraq, and guess what? It did turn more of them against us. Oh well, let's just keep trying it until one side or the other runs out of people. The ignorance of your post is remarkable.

Violence just begets more violence. As an Irishman, you should be particularly aware of this. When the British came in and forced their ways upon you, it really opened the eyes of the Irish and made them realize that the British ways were better, right? Can someone tell me what IRA stands for again? And I don't mean Individual Retirement Account. I'm sure your response will be that the British were wrong and Islam is wrong, but that's irrelevant. The invaded people will always see the invaders as wrong and will always fight against them (insert goofy French joke here).

If you really want to fight against Islam and "liberate" its hundreds of millions of devout followers, why don't you take a minute to look at history and see what people have done effectively in the past. Europe tried to kill them all in the Crusades, that didn't work. Genghis Khan tried to kill them and breed them out in the 1500's, that didn't work either. India, however, realized they needed a different tactic if they were going to save what remained of Hinduism after Islam had almost dominated the country. They took an extremely effective approach, they just made their religion more appealing then the one they didn't like. Thus, the Kama Sutra was born and within a hundred years or so, Hindus were the majority again.

Going in with guns blazing and touting your superiority never changed anyone's mind. I don't understand what would make you think it would work now.

Last edited by chittydog (2008-05-17 16:19:50)

chittydog wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I feel the people in the middle east need to see more of this.  Many of the people there are forced into Islam and with the war on, now would be a good time for people to lash back at that repressive belief system that causes the world so much grief.  Maybe if the US military went into Iraq with more of a " fuck you we bow to nobody's beliefs " and entered the Mosques, killed Al Sadar's Soldiers, executed defiant Clerics, and didn't show weakness when faced with religious intollerance it would have emboldened the local population to give the finger to the establishment that repressed them for centuries.

Fuck Islam, draw any cartoon you want and mention Mohamad by name.  Just because some uneducated desert tribes allow themselves to be repressed by it, this doesn't mean the whole world has too.  What the Military did just showed the people that they fear Islam and reinforced their belief that the US military are infidels who will bow before the will of Allah and be defeated.

The poor uneducated people of Iraq need jobs, freedom, and protection from Islamic Society, Islamic Laws, and Islamic Tribal Rule.

Wow. You've just displayed the attitude that has caused not only this conflict, but probably a large portion of the wars throughout history. One group of people deciding what best for another group without any regard to what they might want. The Iraqis don't want to be freed from Islam. Don't you think attempting to do that will just turn more of them against us? Oh wait a minute, we already did that when we invaded Iraq, and guess what? It did turn more of them against us. Oh well, let's just keep trying it until one side or the other runs out of people. The ignorance of your post is remarkable.

Violence just begets more violence. As an Irishman, you should be particularly aware of this. When the British came in and forced their ways upon you, it really opened the eyes of the Irish and made them realize that the British ways were better, right? Can someone tell me what IRA stands for again? And I don't mean Individual Retirement Account. I'm sure your response will be that the British were wrong and Islam is wrong, but that's irrelevant. The invaded people will always see the invaders as wrong and will always fight against them (insert goofy French joke here).

If you really want to fight against Islam and "liberate" its hundreds of millions of devout followers, why don't you take a minute to look at history and see what people have done effectively in the past. Europe tried to kill them all in the Crusades, that didn't work. Genghis Khan tried to kill them and breed them out in the 1500's, that didn't work either. India, however, realized they needed a different tactic if they were going to save what remained of Hinduism after Islam had almost dominated the country. They took an extremely effective approach, they just made their religion more appealing then the one they didn't like. Thus, the Kama Sutra was born and within a hundred years or so, Hindus were the majority again.

Going in with guns blazing and touting your superiority never changed anyone's mind. I don't understand what would make you think it would work now.

Iraq started the war, and it was never about " Hey, let's invade Iraq to appease the religious zelots among them ".  The Bush doctrine in Iraq is not only expensive but it is very offensive to me.

I am more of a " if you are willing to kill someone because they shot a book, bring it the fuck on because you need to die " type person.  Take off the kid gloves and give them real democracy and freedom, not just another flavor of Islamic Society.  This whole war is a waste of time and money because the problem ( Islamic Militantism ) is never being confronted, it is being appeased.

Invade Kwait and threatened Saudi Arabi, defied the UN resolutions.

Communist News Network only too happy to show it also.....

Big deal.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Iraq started the war

wat

Stingray24 wrote:

Criminal act? Pffff ...

I don't think anyone believes it's a criminal, just in poor taste. The only one to bring it up is the soldier who mentioned it in his apology letter, and I'm sure that was heavily influenced to be dramatic to try and head off as much of a backlash as possible.

sergeriver wrote:

It's just a book.  I use the bible to wipe my ass.

You wouldn't go to the Vatican (uninvited) and proceed to start connecting pages of the bible with your rimhole would you?!

It's not 'just' a book to the people the faith it represents.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-05-17 17:42:14)

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I feel the people in the middle east need to see more of this.  Many of the people there are forced into Islam and with the war on, now would be a good time for people to lash back at that repressive belief system that causes the world so much grief.  Maybe if the US military went into Iraq with more of a " fuck you we bow to nobody's beliefs " and entered the Mosques, killed Al Sadar's Soldiers, executed defiant Clerics, and didn't show weakness when faced with religious intollerance it would have emboldened the local population to give the finger to the establishment that repressed them for centuries.

Fuck Islam, draw any cartoon you want and mention Mohamad by name.  Just because some uneducated desert tribes allow themselves to be repressed by it, this doesn't mean the whole world has too.  What the Military did just showed the people that they fear Islam and reinforced their belief that the US military are infidels who will bow before the will of Allah and be defeated.

The poor uneducated people of Iraq need jobs, freedom, and protection from Islamic Society, Islamic Laws, and Islamic Tribal Rule.

The irony of what you're proposing is that this is similar to what the Muslims did to pre-existing cultures they faced in the Middle East.

I think something that would be darkly funny to do but would obviously never be done is for us to mow over their people and their culture in favor of Christianity or some other religion.  We could do it exactly the same way that Mohammed and his friends conquered the areas he "converted" in the early years of Islam, but with modern weapons.

Of course, following their actions would be considered barbaric, but hey, if we do it brutally enough and self-righteously enough, we might even be able to convert them to the psychosis of our choosing.

Then again, what Mohammed did really isn't that different from what the followers of nearly every major religion have done to spread their faith.  The only difference with Islam is that there are quite a few of its followers today that still desire to spread the faith through war.  It's not surprising, considering the focus of their religion is on a warlord.

FEOS wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

It's just a book.  I use the bible to wipe my ass.

Toilet paper is MUCH cheaper.

And far more comfortable...

fuck that formal apology,
burn our flag blast your quran