Stingray24
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Very interesting article.  What other advances to you think will spring from this? 

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/04/s … -prov.html

Researchers at HP Labs have built the first working prototypes of an important new electronic component that may lead to instant-on PCs as well as analog computers that process information the way the human brain does.

The new component is called a memristor, or memory resistor. Up until today, the circuit element had only been described in a series of mathematical equations written by Leon Chua, who in 1971 was an engineering student studying non-linear circuits. Chua knew the circuit element should exist -- he even accurately outlined its properties and how it would work. Unfortunately, neither he nor the rest of the engineering community could come up with a physical manifestation that matched his mathematical expression.

Thirty-seven years later, a group of scientists from HP Labs has finally built real working memristors, thus adding a fourth basic circuit element to electrical circuit theory, one that will join the three better-known ones: the capacitor, resistor and the inductor.

Researchers believe the discovery will pave the way for instant-on PCs, more energy-efficient computers, and new analog computers that can process and associate information in a manner similar to that of the human brain.

According to R. Stanley Williams, one of four researchers at HP Labs' Information and Quantum Systems Lab who made the discovery, the most interesting characteristic of a memristor device is that it remembers the amount of charge that flows through it.

Indeed, Chua's original idea was that the resistance of a memristor would depend upon how much charge has gone through the device. In other words, you can flow the charge in one direction and the resistance will increase. If you push the charge in the opposite direction it will decrease. Put simply, the resistance of the devices at any point in time is a function of history of the device –- or how much charge went through it either forwards or backwards. That simple idea, now that it has been proven, will have profound effect on computing and computer science.

"Part of what's going to come out of this is something none of us can imagine yet," says Williams. "But what we can imagine in and of itself is actually pretty cool."

For one thing, Williams says these memristors can be used as either digital switches or to build a new breed of analog devices.

For the former, Williams says scientists can now think about fabricating a new type of non-volatile random access memory (RAM) – or memory chips that don't forget what power state they were in when a computer is shut off.

That's the big problem with DRAM today, he says. "When you turn the power off on your PC, the DRAM forgets what was there. So the next time you turn the power on you've got to sit there and wait while all of this stuff that you need to run your computer is loaded into the DRAM from the hard disk."

With non-volatile RAM, that process would be instantaneous and your PC would be in the same state as when you turned it off.

Scientists also envision building other types of circuits in which the memristor would be used as an analog device.

Indeed, Leon himself noted the similarity between his own predictions of the properties for a memristor and what was then known about synapses in the brain. One of his suggestions was that you could perhaps do some type of neuronal computing using memristors. HP Labs thinks that's actually a very good idea.

"Building an analog computer in which you don't use 1s and 0s and instead use essentially all shades of gray in between is one of the things we're already working on," says Williams. These computers could do the types of things that digital computers aren't very good at –- like making decisions, determining that one thing is larger than another, or even learning.

While a lot of researchers are currently trying to write a computer code that simulates brain function on a standard machine, they have to use a huge machines with enormous processing power to simulate only tiny portions of the brain.

Williams and his team say they can now take a different approach: "Instead of writing a computer program to simulate a brain or simulate some brain function, we're actually looking to build some hardware based upon memristors that emulates brain-like functions," says Williams.

Such hardware could be used to improve things like facial recognition technology, and enable an appliance to essentially learn from experience, he says. In principle, this should also be thousands or millions of times more efficient than running a program on a digital computer.

The results of HP Labs teams findings will be published in a paper in today's edition of Nature. As far as when we might see memristors actually being used in actual commercial devices, Williams says the limitations are more business oriented than technological.

Ultimately, the problem is going to be related to the time and effort involved in designing a memristor circuit, he says. "The money invested in circuit design is actually much larger than building fabs. In fact, you can use any fab to make these things right now, but somebody also has to design the circuits and there's currently no memristor model. The key is going to be getting the necessary tools out into the community and finding a niche application for memristors. How long this will take is more of a business decision than a technological one."
Stingray24
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Ok, I'll start, this technology would seem to produce much better AI for robotic functions.  *cue Matrix theme*
ghettoperson
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Can you summarise this into a short, easily comprehensible sentence for the intoxicated amongst us?
Flaming_Maniac
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This seems like such a ridiculously big step it's appalling there is no news coverage.
Stingray24
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I agree, FM, until I stumbled across this I had heard nothing about it.  Completely new electronic component, helloooooo networks, I know the elections are coming, but report this stuff for goodness sake.
Stingray24
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ghettoperson wrote:

Can you summarise this into a short, easily comprehensible sentence for the intoxicated amongst us?
This revolutionizes electronic circuits by creating what has only been theorized in the past by mathematicians ... a fourth circuit element type (the other 3 being resistors, capacitors and inductors).

This goes into more detail:  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2009423/posts
Laika
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Sweet. I can't even imagine the kind of technology we'll see in the next ten years.
Stingray24
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Ataronchronon wrote:

Sweet. I can't even imagine the kind of technology we'll see in the next ten years.
But trying is fun.

"This new circuit element solves many problems with circuitry today--since it improves in performance as you scale it down to smaller and smaller sizes," said Chua. "Memristors will enable very small nanoscale devices to be made without generating all the excess heat that scaling down transistors is causing today."

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Deadmonkiefart
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Holy shit.  Why haven't I heard a bout this yet?  When exactly was it accomplished?
Kmar
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Stingray24 wrote:

I agree, FM, until I stumbled across this I had heard nothing about it.  Completely new electronic component, helloooooo networks, I know the elections are coming, but report this stuff for goodness sake.
Science isn't a primary concern for the mainstream media during election season.. sad truth tbh.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Stingray24
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Haven't located a date for the accomplishment yet ...
mtb0minime
minimember
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This is fucking amazing! I can't wait to see future generations of computers using this stuff. I figured computers like these wouldn't be around in my life-time, but who knows?

Maybe they'll be too fast for us when we're older. Just like old people today have difficulties with current technology, the generations of today may very well have this same problem 30 to 50 years from now.

It's still very exciting and I'm glad you posted this! Dunno why I haven't seen it anywhere else.
elstonieo
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Stingray24 wrote:

Ok, I'll start, this technology would seem to produce much better AI for robotic functions.  *cue Matrix theme*


could be time for the three laws
Stubbee
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And Skynet was born...Judgement Day IS coming.
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
tkoi
Utahraptor!
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Stingray24 wrote:

like making decisions, determining that one thing is larger than another, or even learning.
https://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/4pas/MV5BMTE5NzY4MjI1Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTY.jpg
OH SHI-

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elstonieo
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Stubbee wrote:

And Skynet was born...Judgement Day IS coming.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6434773.stm

The British military's Skynet 5A satellite has been launched into space from Kourou in French Guiana.
The spacecraft is part of a £3.6bn system that will deliver secure, high-bandwidth communications for UK and allied forces.

Sunday's lift-off came 24 hours after a first attempt was thwarted by a technical glitch in ground equipment.

Skynet rode atop an Ariane 5-ECA rocket, which left the ground at 1903 local time (2203 GMT).
blademaster
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ghettoperson wrote:

Can you summarise this into a short, easily comprehensible sentence for the intoxicated amongst us?
I agree
cowami
OY, BITCHTITS!
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blademaster wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Can you summarise this into a short, easily comprehensible sentence for the intoxicated amongst us?
I agree
something like

Computers take time to load because in order for RAM to run things, it needs to load them from the hard disk. With these new-fangled memristors, the RAM remembers how everything was flowing through the circuit when the computer was turned off, thus allowing you to get rid of load times and having computers that turn on nearly instantly (if not instantly).

EDIT: Well, that's the practical application anyway.

Last edited by cowami (2008-04-30 21:29:11)

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AussieReaper
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Huge step forward, and I'm very surprised it hasn't been in the media more.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Protecus
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elstonieo wrote:

Stubbee wrote:

And Skynet was born...Judgement Day IS coming.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6434773.stm

The British military's Skynet 5A satellite has been launched into space from Kourou in French Guiana.
The spacecraft is part of a £3.6bn system that will deliver secure, high-bandwidth communications for UK and allied forces.

Sunday's lift-off came 24 hours after a first attempt was thwarted by a technical glitch in ground equipment.

Skynet rode atop an Ariane 5-ECA rocket, which left the ground at 1903 local time (2203 GMT).
Jesus, have they seen the movie?

They could have at least named it something else. Something a little less....end-of-humanity-esqu.
mtb0minime
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Imagine how expensive this new MemRAM is going to be. Right when prices of RAM were starting to drop

But that would be completely fucking awesome if in the future computers have like 16, 32, 64 GB of memristor RAM. No more load times for all of our favorite games and apps
Deadmonkiefart
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mtb0minime wrote:

Imagine how expensive this new MemRAM is going to be. Right when prices of RAM were starting to drop

But that would be completely fucking awesome if in the future computers have like 16, 32, 64 GB of memristor RAM. No more load times for all of our favorite games and apps
Computers are going to be redesigned around this;  it's not going to be as simple as just buying more memrisror RAM to make it go faster.
mtb0minime
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Deadmonkiefart wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

Imagine how expensive this new MemRAM is going to be. Right when prices of RAM were starting to drop

But that would be completely fucking awesome if in the future computers have like 16, 32, 64 GB of memristor RAM. No more load times for all of our favorite games and apps
Computers are going to be redesigned around this;  it's not going to be as simple as just buying more memrisror RAM to make it go faster.
I know. They're gonna have to redesign mobo's and whatnot, but I'm sure there will be MRAM sticks as well as the on-board stuff. But that'll be much later, first they've gotta get the on-board stuff working.
mikkel
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I'd hate to be a security guy when non-volatile main system memory goes mainstream. If you cut the power to your computer while accessing pages with personal, financial or other confidential information, it'll all be there, in memory, in clear text, begging to be extracted.

cat /dev/mem
SenorToenails
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mikkel wrote:

I'd hate to be a security guy when non-volatile main system memory goes mainstream. If you cut the power to your computer while accessing pages with personal, financial or other confidential information, it'll all be there, in memory, in clear text, begging to be extracted.

cat /dev/mem
Wet blanket.


I kid, I kid.  It's a valid security concern.

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