Now I've seen everything.Evidence suggests, however, that TIZA is an Islamic school, funded by Minnesota taxpayers.
http://www.startribune.com/local/17406054.html
http://www.startribune.com/local/17406054.html
The state ought to look into that...ATG wrote:
Now I've seen everything.Evidence suggests, however, that TIZA is an Islamic school, funded by Minnesota taxpayers.
http://www.startribune.com/local/17406054.html
Muslim school does not equate to terror training camps, and this school is hardly that.
However the school is a religious based public school being funded by the state.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Muslim school does not equate to terror training camps, and this school is hardly that.
My God... People make such a huge fuss about prayer in schools, and then all of a sudden the muslims come along and BAM, its all out the window.
And if i see another muslima.com advert I am going to gauge my eyes out.
And if i see another muslima.com advert I am going to gauge my eyes out.
Charter schools are not supposed to promote religion. This school is a charter school, so it should not promote Islam.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Muslim school does not equate to terror training camps, and this school is hardly that.
it would have to be a private school and i think you would have to pay tuition but idk
tbh i think its bullshit my school tried taking the god outta the pledge and i was up in the principles office bitching about that with about 20 other people its bullshit what happens these days no common sense
tbh i think its bullshit my school tried taking the god outta the pledge and i was up in the principles office bitching about that with about 20 other people its bullshit what happens these days no common sense
What's wrong with that? There are religious schools for all denominations, if your willing to look for them. Charter or not.
All of your schools (unless state law effected) will give the pledge of allegiance. In God We Trust.
And if you think the issue is that children are being taught the Muslim faith, they'll learn that at home, from the Qur'an and when their parents take them to religous events, or the local Mosque. And it would have been the parents who choose the school, based on the teaching practices.
If your issue is that it's tax payers who are funding the school, that's common practice. It is a public school. If it were a private school, then you'd expect fee's to be paid mostly by parents.
If your worried that these Muslim teachings are going to turn these children into terrorists, I'd be willing to bet it has the opposite effect. These are American children, for a start. With an American culture and media influencing them.
And if this issue is that this is a charter school, which is not permitted to teach religon, then why have all investigations into the school proven otherwise?
The department set up to investigate the schools practices with regard to religion operates on a "complaint basis," and "since 2004, we haven't gotten a single complaint about TIZA," Brown said. So there have been "no" complaints from the public, or students, or teachers, or parents about the schools teachings.
If this was any other school, teaching any other demographic of students there would be no issue raised by the US media.
All of your schools (unless state law effected) will give the pledge of allegiance. In God We Trust.
And if you think the issue is that children are being taught the Muslim faith, they'll learn that at home, from the Qur'an and when their parents take them to religous events, or the local Mosque. And it would have been the parents who choose the school, based on the teaching practices.
If your issue is that it's tax payers who are funding the school, that's common practice. It is a public school. If it were a private school, then you'd expect fee's to be paid mostly by parents.
If your worried that these Muslim teachings are going to turn these children into terrorists, I'd be willing to bet it has the opposite effect. These are American children, for a start. With an American culture and media influencing them.
And if this issue is that this is a charter school, which is not permitted to teach religon, then why have all investigations into the school proven otherwise?
Student pray daily. The student will still do this if they are Muslim and in any other school. It's part of being of the Muslim faith. The cafeteria can serve whatever food it chooses to, provided it meets nutritional guidelines set by the Education dept. And Islamic Studies are offered at the end of a school day. Where do you see a problem with any of this?Article wrote:
Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food - permissible under Islamic law -- and "Islamic Studies" is offered at the end of the school day.
The department set up to investigate the schools practices with regard to religion operates on a "complaint basis," and "since 2004, we haven't gotten a single complaint about TIZA," Brown said. So there have been "no" complaints from the public, or students, or teachers, or parents about the schools teachings.
The daily prayers of the Muslim faith suggests that the prayers should take place 5 times a day. Of course it's going to be scheduled and organized by the staff.Article wrote:
Yet prayer at TIZA does not appear to be spontaneously initiated by students, but rather scheduled, organized and promoted by school authorities.
If this was any other school, teaching any other demographic of students there would be no issue raised by the US media.
Theres this thing called separation of Church and State here. Its very important. This is a gross violation of said separation by having a charter school actively practicing and endorsing the muslim faith. No religion should enter the classroom, its pretty much that simple. Your trying to drag the whole rest of the last 6 months worth of the muslim argument into the damn thread and its just not like that.TheAussieReaper wrote:
What's wrong with that? There are religious schools for all denominations, if your willing to look for them. Charter or not.
All of your schools (unless state law effected) will give the pledge of allegiance. In God We Trust.
And if you think the issue is that children are being taught the Muslim faith, they'll learn that at home, from the Qur'an and when their parents take them to religous events, or the local Mosque. And it would have been the parents who choose the school, based on the teaching practices.
If your issue is that it's tax payers who are funding the school, that's common practice. It is a public school. If it were a private school, then you'd expect fee's to be paid mostly by parents.
If your worried that these Muslim teachings are going to turn these children into terrorists, I'd be willing to bet it has the opposite effect. These are American children, for a start. With an American culture and media influencing them.
And if this issue is that this is a charter school, which is not permitted to teach religon, then why have all investigations into the school proven otherwise?Student pray daily. The student will still do this if they are Muslim and in any other school. It's part of being of the Muslim faith. The cafeteria can serve whatever food it chooses to, provided it meets nutritional guidelines set by the Education dept. And Islamic Studies are offered at the end of a school day. Where do you see a problem with any of this?Article wrote:
Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food - permissible under Islamic law -- and "Islamic Studies" is offered at the end of the school day.
The department set up to investigate the schools practices with regard to religion operates on a "complaint basis," and "since 2004, we haven't gotten a single complaint about TIZA," Brown said. So there have been "no" complaints from the public, or students, or teachers, or parents about the schools teachings.The daily prayers of the Muslim faith suggests that the prayers should take place 5 times a day. Of course it's going to be scheduled and organized by the staff.Article wrote:
Yet prayer at TIZA does not appear to be spontaneously initiated by students, but rather scheduled, organized and promoted by school authorities.
If this was any other school, teaching any other demographic of students there would be no issue raised by the US media.
State law there says that charter schools cannot endorse a particular religion.TheAussieReaper wrote:
What's wrong with that? There are religious schools for all denominations, if your willing to look for them. Charter or not.
That is not promoting a particular religion. The founding fathers wrote things in a very abstract deist way referencing a 'god' or 'creator' that was very generic.TheAussieReaper wrote:
All of your schools (unless state law effected) will give the pledge of allegiance. In God We Trust.
Religion should be taught at home or in religious institutions, not in publicly funded schools.TheAussieReaper wrote:
And if you think the issue is that children are being taught the Muslim faith, they'll learn that at home, from the Qur'an and when their parents take them to religous events, or the local Mosque. And it would have been the parents who choose the school, based on the teaching practices.
That is exactly why people expect the school to be secular. If it were a private school, no one could complain.TheAussieReaper wrote:
If your issue is that it's tax payers who are funding the school, that's common practice. It is a public school. If it were a private school, then you'd expect fee's to be paid mostly by parents.
That has nothing to do with it.TheAussieReaper wrote:
If your worried that these Muslim teachings are going to turn these children into terrorists, I'd be willing to bet it has the opposite effect. These are American children, for a start. With an American culture and media influencing them.
Unless I missed part of the article, didn't investigations into the school get blocked?TheAussieReaper wrote:
And if this issue is that this is a charter school, which is not permitted to teach religon, then why have all investigations into the school proven otherwise?
A state investigation is warranted. I draw no conclusion until then.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Student pray daily. The student will still do this if they are Muslim and in any other school. It's part of being of the Muslim faith. The cafeteria can serve whatever food it chooses to, provided it meets nutritional guidelines set by the Education dept. And Islamic Studies are offered at the end of a school day. Where do you see a problem with any of this?Article wrote:
Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food - permissible under Islamic law -- and "Islamic Studies" is offered at the end of the school day.
Tax payers have a right to know what their dollars pay for. Like I said, investigation is probably warranted.TheAussieReaper wrote:
The department set up to investigate the schools practices with regard to religion operates on a "complaint basis," and "since 2004, we haven't gotten a single complaint about TIZA," Brown said. So there have been "no" complaints from the public, or students, or teachers, or parents about the schools teachings.
That seems like they are endorsing a religion... Like I said, investigation is warranted.TheAussieReaper wrote:
The daily prayers of the Muslim faith suggests that the prayers should take place 5 times a day. Of course it's going to be scheduled and organized by the staff.Article wrote:
Yet prayer at TIZA does not appear to be spontaneously initiated by students, but rather scheduled, organized and promoted by school authorities.
Yes there would. People have raised hell for less involving Christians in public school.TheAussieReaper wrote:
If this was any other school, teaching any other demographic of students there would be no issue raised by the US media.
Good point...CloakedStarship wrote:
My God... People make such a huge fuss about prayer in schools, and then all of a sudden the muslims come along and BAM, its all out the window.
And if i see another muslima.com advert I am going to gauge my eyes out.
The school prayers are being billed as an after-school activity, but the buses don't leave until after they are done. You can say that the pledge of allegiance in public schools includes the word 'God,' but that 'archaic' element is a far cry from holding official prayers with the government's financial blessings. Without government funding, people can moon the sky all they want for all I care.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Student pray daily. The student will still do this if they are Muslim and in any other school. It's part of being of the Muslim faith. The cafeteria can serve whatever food it chooses to, provided it meets nutritional guidelines set by the Education dept. And Islamic Studies are offered at the end of a school day. Where do you see a problem with any of this?Article wrote:
Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food - permissible under Islamic law -- and "Islamic Studies" is offered at the end of the school day.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-09 22:41:11)
Yeah, I think newbie's got it right. Most advocates of "prayer in school" are just talking about freedom of religion. They're not asking for a government payout -- unlike the Muslims mentioned in the OP.
Would I get tax money for a anti-islam shcool?
No, but muslima.com wants to hook you up with an obeisant chick.usmarine wrote:
Would I get tax money for a anti-islam shcool?
...or is she plotting?
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-09 22:49:51)
i think think that idea wouldnt go down very well....usmarine wrote:
Would I get tax money for a anti-islam shcool?
while ur at it why dont u make a school for anti-semetics as well.
ok...anti-catholic school then. why do I only get money if I am for the religion?Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
i think think that idea wouldnt go down very well....usmarine wrote:
Would I get tax money for a anti-islam shcool?
while ur at it why dont u make a school for anti-semetics as well.