FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6836|'Murka

But moderate/mainstream Christians (LDS specifically) waste no time in making the distinction and disowning the FLDS. Every LDS person I know makes that distinction as soon as the topic is brought up.
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CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980

FEOS wrote:

But moderate/mainstream Christians (LDS specifically) waste no time in making the distinction and disowning the FLDS. Every LDS person I know makes that distinction as soon as the topic is brought up.
How many Muslims do you meet in daily life and how many muslims are on this forum? Those muslims that are on the forum proudly tout their westernised moderate credentials when pressed.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-08 03:19:55)

Bulldogz
Blacking Out the Friction
+32|6424|Rexburg, Idaho

FEOS wrote:

But moderate/mainstream Christians (LDS specifically) waste no time in making the distinction and disowning the FLDS. Every LDS person I know makes that distinction as soon as the topic is brought up.
And why shouldn't we? I don't know about you, but I would definitely want to make sure people know the difference between the mainstream mormon church, and a polygamy-fueled splinter-sect, which has been excommunicated and disowned from the mainstream church. Otherwise confusion may occur.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
Their gonna need a lot of foster parents.

https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2008/04/05/n_mw_polyg_0405+Z.jpg
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6608|Ireland

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

But moderate/mainstream Christians (LDS specifically) waste no time in making the distinction and disowning the FLDS. Every LDS person I know makes that distinction as soon as the topic is brought up.
How many Muslims do you meet in daily life and how many muslims are on this forum? Those muslims that are on the forum proudly tout their westernised moderate credentials when pressed.
Why would anyone believe in Islam?  Go for a more warm fuzzy invisible guy, not the one associated with beheadings.

So here you have a small pocket of fundaMENTAList Christians that are basically a bunch of child molestors and perverts that just want their 11-14 year old piece of tail but aren't blowing themselves up and killing everyone they come into contact with. 

In the Middle East you have fundaMENTAList Islam (ok, actually mainstream in the area) that run around shouting "death to _____", repressing women, killing gays, imprisoning people that don't follow the laws of Islam, and leaders threatening Israel even though Israel has done nothing to them ( right cam, they should stay the fuck out of other countries politics ).

So, which is worse?  The maybe .001% of Christains that molest kid in the name of Christ (but are arrested) or the whole societies in the M.E. based on Wahabi/Sharia law?

but I realize that there are those morons that will continue to equate all religions and insist that Islam is no different.

As far as the Mormons go, I like the commercials but will be part of no religion that is willing to throw away an idea as cool as having special underwear that protects you from the hobgobblins.  That was the only cool thing it had going for it besides the banging multiple chicks in the same bed all the time.

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2008-04-08 23:13:44)

LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6804|MN

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

But moderate/mainstream Christians (LDS specifically) waste no time in making the distinction and disowning the FLDS. Every LDS person I know makes that distinction as soon as the topic is brought up.
How many Muslims do you meet in daily life and how many muslims are on this forum? Those muslims that are on the forum proudly tout their westernised moderate credentials when pressed.
Can't you keep the Muslim debate in the applicable threads?
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6836|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

But moderate/mainstream Christians (LDS specifically) waste no time in making the distinction and disowning the FLDS. Every LDS person I know makes that distinction as soon as the topic is brought up.
How many Muslims do you meet in daily life and how many muslims are on this forum? Those muslims that are on the forum proudly tout their westernised moderate credentials when pressed.
It's more a matter of the mainstream of moderate Islam speaking out against and disowning the fundamentalists...it either isn't happening or isn't getting any distribution. If I had to guess, I'd guess the former and not the latter.

I actually run across Muslims quite a bit in daily life (I've even had a couple of Muslim nurses care for my son in my home). This forum is one data point...I certainly wouldn't consider it a statistically significant cross-section of world society.

Last edited by FEOS (2008-04-09 03:25:34)

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― Albert Einstein

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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6836|'Murka

Bulldogz wrote:

FEOS wrote:

But moderate/mainstream Christians (LDS specifically) waste no time in making the distinction and disowning the FLDS. Every LDS person I know makes that distinction as soon as the topic is brought up.
And why shouldn't we? I don't know about you, but I would definitely want to make sure people know the difference between the mainstream mormon church, and a polygamy-fueled splinter-sect, which has been excommunicated and disowned from the mainstream church. Otherwise confusion may occur.
You absolutely should.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
Rosita Swinton , I hate you, you fucking bitch.

Go die in a fire.

http://www.keyetv.com/content/news/topn … be59f555ff
imortal
Member
+240|7090|Austin, TX

ATG wrote:

Rosita Swinton , I hate you, you fucking bitch.

Go die in a fire.

http://www.keyetv.com/content/news/topn … be59f555ff
You should be happy about it.  Very good chance it might all be thrown out of court.  Depends how good their lawyer is.  Not sure if it violates 4th Ammendment, since the police did not know it was a fake call at the time.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command

imortal wrote:

ATG wrote:

Rosita Swinton , I hate you, you fucking bitch.

Go die in a fire.

http://www.keyetv.com/content/news/topn … be59f555ff
You should be happy about it.  Very good chance it might all be thrown out of court.  Depends how good their lawyer is.  Not sure if it violates 4th Ammendment, since the police did not know it was a fake call at the time.
What about this one?
imortal
Member
+240|7090|Austin, TX

ATG wrote:

imortal wrote:

ATG wrote:

Rosita Swinton , I hate you, you fucking bitch.

Go die in a fire.

http://www.keyetv.com/content/news/topn … be59f555ff
You should be happy about it.  Very good chance it might all be thrown out of court.  Depends how good their lawyer is.  Not sure if it violates 4th Ammendment, since the police did not know it was a fake call at the time.
What about this one?
If the court was going to slam in on 1st Ammendment, then the warrant would have never been granted.  And while I would grant you that they do have the freedom to worship how they please, I believe the debate should be over treatment of the children; spefically, the marrying ages and sexual practices with the juvinile girls.   Is there a limit on 1st Ammendment protections when it comes to statuatory rape?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina
Here's something I don't get.  Polygamy is illegal, right?

So now that it's been discovered that this compound involved an immense amount of polygamy, doesn't this still mean the families have to be broken up and that the guy running this place is going to jail even if he didn't abuse anyone?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command

Turquoise wrote:

Here's something I don't get.  Polygamy is illegal, right?

So now that it's been discovered that this compound involved an immense amount of polygamy, doesn't this still mean the families have to be broken up and that the guy running this place is going to jail even if he didn't abuse anyone?
It's against the law in Utah.
imortal
Member
+240|7090|Austin, TX

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Here's something I don't get.  Polygamy is illegal, right?

So now that it's been discovered that this compound involved an immense amount of polygamy, doesn't this still mean the families have to be broken up and that the guy running this place is going to jail even if he didn't abuse anyone?
It's against the law in Utah.
Actually, I think polygamy is against the law nearly everywhere.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6871|Chicago, IL

imortal wrote:

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Here's something I don't get.  Polygamy is illegal, right?

So now that it's been discovered that this compound involved an immense amount of polygamy, doesn't this still mean the families have to be broken up and that the guy running this place is going to jail even if he didn't abuse anyone?
It's against the law in Utah.
Actually, I think polygamy is against the law nearly everywhere.
It's illegal in all 50 states and outlying territories.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6419|Truthistan

S.Lythberg wrote:

imortal wrote:

ATG wrote:

It's against the law in Utah.
Actually, I think polygamy is against the law nearly everywhere.
It's illegal in all 50 states and outlying territories.
Here is the problem. Its is illegal to marry more than one person. But its not illegal to knock up more than one chick at a time. Its not illegal to live with more than one chick at time.

So these guys were having religious marriage ceremonies not state licensed ones so it would not be any different from two, or three or ten people living together and having sex. So I don't think what they did was illegal in that way. I think I remeber seeing a dateline or 60 minutes where there was a guy in Texas living with two chicks, one was his legal wife, the other by religious ceremony and he had children with both... no problem there because everyone was of legal age.

BUT, having sex with underage girls is illegal unless the people married under state law... since these were religious ceremonies only, I think these guys could all be charge with statutory rape.

If they just waited until all the girls were 18, or whatever the age of consent is, then I think it would be totally legal and they would have a strong freedom of religion argument. Why? Because every aspect of what you can do inside of marriage, knock up two chicks, live with two chicks, you can legally do that stuff without getting married... SO why does the state sanction against otherwise legal conduct????? it must be for the purpose of religious persecution.

I can only hope polygamy becomes totally legal, then I can introduce my wife to my girlfriend LOL
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7025|132 and Bush

More than 400 children removed by authorities from a ranch run by a polygamist religious sect will remain in state custody for at least the next six weeks and undergo genetic testing, a West Texas judge ruled Friday.
Say what? http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent … 887b6.html
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6419|Truthistan

Kmarion wrote:

More than 400 children removed by authorities from a ranch run by a polygamist religious sect will remain in state custody for at least the next six weeks and undergo genetic testing, a West Texas judge ruled Friday.
Say what? http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent … 887b6.html
Yah, I like how the CPS person has to say this is not about freedom of religion When they took the children away and are housing at least some of them with a southern baptist church. This is a religious persecution by southern baptists against these Mormons. They are trying to move these people out and are trying to steal their children.

And now they are going to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars on genetic testing to play "whose ur daddy?"

Only tragedy can come from this situation.

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