Thats what i have in place of my general kit. that simple. Change one kit. woooo so hard.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Yeah pretty much.TheAussieReaper wrote:
And when you do unlock extra scopes and camo you have to wait til the round changes to actually use themFlaming_Maniac wrote:
and zero slots left to work on the achievements for the guns you don't use as much
I only really need two kits, my M16, and my P90. That pretty much covers everything close or long range if I just want kills, or to show someone up. the problem is I like to work on the achievements, and would like to be able to have one weapon from each class ready to work on when I get bored and want to go to another. My main kits always stay though, so if I start getting raped I can get myself back to a respectable K/D with a weapon I like, but that means I have to choose which weapons I want to work on. It's not like I play everyday, so these kits tend to change a lot because while I was working on my SMGs last week, this week I'm in an LMG/sniper kind of mood, but forgot to change my kits. In combination with the shitty server browser, it's really a pain to have to leave a server, choose kits, then join usually 3-5 servers before I find one I like.
Saying it makes you choose, or forces tactical decisions is a joke. It's not about decisions; it's about being a pain in the ass. You can change them as much as you want with no penalty, it has zero bearing on how well you do in the game, it only effects how much of the time you spend looking at a menu and how much you spend actually shooting at people.
Now if they took a more BF2 style approach and forced you to pick kits out of a set, and then stick with them, that would be one thing. Making permanent decisions that effect what guns you can play with until you next rank, or something to that effect would be one thing. I think that would be a pretty cool idea even. However, when the only penalty is me spending 2-5 minutes not playing in my free time, they're just being pricks by limiting the number of custom kits.
I realize that you can put 5 kits in that can adapt to each situation. If only you didn't have the attention span of a hamster with down's syndrome, you'd realize that I wrote about that earlier. I want MORE than that, I want to use MORE than just what can tackle each situation, I want to use MORE than the 5 fucking slots can give me.Vilham wrote:
your a god damn noob
I am absolutely amazed that people cant work out 5 different kits that fit any situation. It really is so fucking easy:
General kit - Your best gun and perks that you love.
Defence sub kit - submachine gun with clays etc, defensive perks.
Attack sub kit - submachine gun with extra nades/flash or what ever and attacking perks.
Defence long ranged kit - long ranged gun ie sniper/rifle/light machine gun and defensive perks.
Attack long ranged kit - long ranged gune sniper/rifle/light machine gun and attacking perks.
Then you also have the other 5 preset layouts that suit any other situation.
Seriously fcking easy.
There are plenty more fun/gimmick layouts I can make, as well as any other layouts that involve a variety of other weapons/perk combinations
But why am I telling you this? You'll probably respond with something like "HURRR WHAT A NOOB"
Calling people "console tards" makes you look really mature. Totaly. (not really, you're a butt)Vilham wrote:
Yeah lets dumb down games even more for the console tards... way to ruin the fucking industry.
If you are incapable of beening good at the game with 10 slots you should just stop playing, find another game.
Edit: Also going to put this in, I think Flaming Maniac puts things in perspective perfectly here.
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Saying it makes you choose, or forces tactical decisions is a joke. It's not about decisions; it's about being a pain in the ass. You can change them as much as you want with no penalty, it has zero bearing on how well you do in the game, it only effects how much of the time you spend looking at a menu and how much you spend actually shooting at people.
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No it really is just dumbing it down for the console tards. Thats quite simply what you guys want, the most basic game that requires no thought what so ever.killaer wrote:
I realize that you can put 5 kits in that can adapt to each situation. If only you didn't have the attention span of a hamster with down's syndrome, you'd realize that I wrote about that earlier. I want MORE than that, I want to use MORE than just what can tackle each situation, I want to use MORE than the 5 fucking slots can give me.Vilham wrote:
your a god damn noob
I am absolutely amazed that people cant work out 5 different kits that fit any situation. It really is so fucking easy:
General kit - Your best gun and perks that you love.
Defence sub kit - submachine gun with clays etc, defensive perks.
Attack sub kit - submachine gun with extra nades/flash or what ever and attacking perks.
Defence long ranged kit - long ranged gun ie sniper/rifle/light machine gun and defensive perks.
Attack long ranged kit - long ranged gune sniper/rifle/light machine gun and attacking perks.
Then you also have the other 5 preset layouts that suit any other situation.
Seriously fcking easy.
There are plenty more fun/gimmick layouts I can make, as well as any other layouts that involve a variety of other weapons/perk combinations
But why am I telling you this? You'll probably respond with something like "HURRR WHAT A NOOB"Calling people "console tards" makes you look really mature. Totaly. (not really, you're a butt)Vilham wrote:
Yeah lets dumb down games even more for the console tards... way to ruin the fucking industry.
If you are incapable of beening good at the game with 10 slots you should just stop playing, find another game.
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Edit: Also going to put this in, I think Flaming Maniac puts things in perspective perfectly here.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Saying it makes you choose, or forces tactical decisions is a joke. It's not about decisions; it's about being a pain in the ass. You can change them as much as you want with no penalty, it has zero bearing on how well you do in the game, it only effects how much of the time you spend looking at a menu and how much you spend actually shooting at people.
Yes you're probably right.Vilham wrote:
No it really is just dumbing it down for the console tards. Thats quite simply what you guys want, the most basic game that requires no thought what so ever.
True.Vilham wrote:
No it really is just dumbing it down for the console tards. Thats quite simply what you guys want, the most basic game that requires no thought what so ever.killaer wrote:
I realize that you can put 5 kits in that can adapt to each situation. If only you didn't have the attention span of a hamster with down's syndrome, you'd realize that I wrote about that earlier. I want MORE than that, I want to use MORE than just what can tackle each situation, I want to use MORE than the 5 fucking slots can give me.Vilham wrote:
your a god damn noob
I am absolutely amazed that people cant work out 5 different kits that fit any situation. It really is so fucking easy:
General kit - Your best gun and perks that you love.
Defence sub kit - submachine gun with clays etc, defensive perks.
Attack sub kit - submachine gun with extra nades/flash or what ever and attacking perks.
Defence long ranged kit - long ranged gun ie sniper/rifle/light machine gun and defensive perks.
Attack long ranged kit - long ranged gune sniper/rifle/light machine gun and attacking perks.
Then you also have the other 5 preset layouts that suit any other situation.
Seriously fcking easy.
There are plenty more fun/gimmick layouts I can make, as well as any other layouts that involve a variety of other weapons/perk combinations
But why am I telling you this? You'll probably respond with something like "HURRR WHAT A NOOB"Calling people "console tards" makes you look really mature. Totaly. (not really, you're a butt)Vilham wrote:
Yeah lets dumb down games even more for the console tards... way to ruin the fucking industry.
If you are incapable of beening good at the game with 10 slots you should just stop playing, find another game.
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Edit: Also going to put this in, I think Flaming Maniac puts things in perspective perfectly here.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Saying it makes you choose, or forces tactical decisions is a joke. It's not about decisions; it's about being a pain in the ass. You can change them as much as you want with no penalty, it has zero bearing on how well you do in the game, it only effects how much of the time you spend looking at a menu and how much you spend actually shooting at people.
"Lowest common dumbass is the target of a marketing department."
You can tell how good a discussion is by how long the posts get. The longer the posts get, the less people are talking about what they should be. Bernadictus, vilham, et al, you actually make me feel sad. How can you ignore the arguments against you and only respond to the weak ones?
ONE. Most people have somewhere between 5 and 10 kits.
TWO. Adding more kit slots would change nothing on your end of the game.
THREE. Lots of people have a variety of weapons and perks that they like, because they realize that there are stronger combinations for any situation than one they had to generalize to be able to fit it in the 5 slots.
FOUR. adding more kits would stop whining, it would not continue, as is evident by how many people have somewhere between 5 and 10 kits.
Your arguments are: "I can do it in 5 kits" "you need to stop whining" "adapt" and "you suck"
Lets summarize:Lucien wrote:
There are 5 slots. A large part of the players complain.
There are 8 slots. A fraction of that part still complains.
There are 10 slots. Almost nobody complains.
I like the AK-47. I like the M4. I like the M14, and also a sniper rifle, an LMG, an SMG, and a kit dedicated to stabbing. I don't just have one kit per gun: depending on the map I switch between steady aim and deep impact, together with some other perks. This means:
two for the AK, two for the M4, one for the M14, one sniper kit, one LMG kit, one SMG kit, and one stabbing kit.
That's nine kits right there. I could drop the LMG kit if pressed, leaving 8 kits which I regularly use depending on game mode, map, mood, and enemy.
There is no need to say things like "stop bitching", bernadictus. Some players will not see the need for more than 5 kits. Maybe they only like a few guns, or maybe they don't really care about what gun or kit they're using. Some players will carefully try each gun and kit and, CoD4 being more balanced than most fps games, not be able to reach a conclusion of what their ideal kit is. However, even a player who likes a wide variety of kits will have a hard time making more than 10 that he actually uses. Thus, increasing the kit count would make workarounds such as planning (read: restricting yourself to certain situations) unneeded and make plenty of players happier, without any negative effects on the game.
Although, I suppose that "but i can make do with 5 kits so you don't need more" is a completely valid argument anyway, so I suppose that makes this post useless. Damn, I wish reasoning and logic were real concepts.
ONE. Most people have somewhere between 5 and 10 kits.
TWO. Adding more kit slots would change nothing on your end of the game.
THREE. Lots of people have a variety of weapons and perks that they like, because they realize that there are stronger combinations for any situation than one they had to generalize to be able to fit it in the 5 slots.
FOUR. adding more kits would stop whining, it would not continue, as is evident by how many people have somewhere between 5 and 10 kits.
Your arguments are: "I can do it in 5 kits" "you need to stop whining" "adapt" and "you suck"
AMEN BROTHA!Lucien wrote:
You can tell how good a discussion is by how long the posts get. The longer the posts get, the less people are talking about what they should be. Bernadictus, vilham, et al, you actually make me feel sad. How can you ignore the arguments against you and only respond to the weak ones?Lets summarize:Lucien wrote:
There are 5 slots. A large part of the players complain.
There are 8 slots. A fraction of that part still complains.
There are 10 slots. Almost nobody complains.
I like the AK-47. I like the M4. I like the M14, and also a sniper rifle, an LMG, an SMG, and a kit dedicated to stabbing. I don't just have one kit per gun: depending on the map I switch between steady aim and deep impact, together with some other perks. This means:
two for the AK, two for the M4, one for the M14, one sniper kit, one LMG kit, one SMG kit, and one stabbing kit.
That's nine kits right there. I could drop the LMG kit if pressed, leaving 8 kits which I regularly use depending on game mode, map, mood, and enemy.
There is no need to say things like "stop bitching", bernadictus. Some players will not see the need for more than 5 kits. Maybe they only like a few guns, or maybe they don't really care about what gun or kit they're using. Some players will carefully try each gun and kit and, CoD4 being more balanced than most fps games, not be able to reach a conclusion of what their ideal kit is. However, even a player who likes a wide variety of kits will have a hard time making more than 10 that he actually uses. Thus, increasing the kit count would make workarounds such as planning (read: restricting yourself to certain situations) unneeded and make plenty of players happier, without any negative effects on the game.
Although, I suppose that "but i can make do with 5 kits so you don't need more" is a completely valid argument anyway, so I suppose that makes this post useless. Damn, I wish reasoning and logic were real concepts.
ONE. Most people have somewhere between 5 and 10 kits.
TWO. Adding more kit slots would change nothing on your end of the game.
THREE. Lots of people have a variety of weapons and perks that they like, because they realize that there are stronger combinations for any situation than one they had to generalize to be able to fit it in the 5 slots.
FOUR. adding more kits would stop whining, it would not continue, as is evident by how many people have somewhere between 5 and 10 kits.
Your arguments are: "I can do it in 5 kits" "you need to stop whining" "adapt" and "you suck"
#rekt
That would be pretty cool tbh.h4hagen wrote:
If you could do that, heck, one would be enough. And why not just make unlimited and have a scroll box?{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
YES!Spark wrote:
5 is enough, but I wish we could edit them INGAME!
There is really no need to have any arguments in this discussion because bottom line is: '10 ain't never gonna happen'. Therefore arguing in this topic about this subject is the special Olympics itself.Lucien wrote:
You can tell how good a discussion is by how long the posts get. The longer the posts get, the less people are talking about what they should be. Bernadictus, vilham, et al, you actually make me feel sad. How can you ignore the arguments against you and only respond to the weak ones?Lets summarize:Lucien wrote:
There are 5 slots. A large part of the players complain.
There are 8 slots. A fraction of that part still complains.
There are 10 slots. Almost nobody complains.
I like the AK-47. I like the M4. I like the M14, and also a sniper rifle, an LMG, an SMG, and a kit dedicated to stabbing. I don't just have one kit per gun: depending on the map I switch between steady aim and deep impact, together with some other perks. This means:
two for the AK, two for the M4, one for the M14, one sniper kit, one LMG kit, one SMG kit, and one stabbing kit.
That's nine kits right there. I could drop the LMG kit if pressed, leaving 8 kits which I regularly use depending on game mode, map, mood, and enemy.
There is no need to say things like "stop bitching", bernadictus. Some players will not see the need for more than 5 kits. Maybe they only like a few guns, or maybe they don't really care about what gun or kit they're using. Some players will carefully try each gun and kit and, CoD4 being more balanced than most fps games, not be able to reach a conclusion of what their ideal kit is. However, even a player who likes a wide variety of kits will have a hard time making more than 10 that he actually uses. Thus, increasing the kit count would make workarounds such as planning (read: restricting yourself to certain situations) unneeded and make plenty of players happier, without any negative effects on the game.
Although, I suppose that "but i can make do with 5 kits so you don't need more" is a completely valid argument anyway, so I suppose that makes this post useless. Damn, I wish reasoning and logic were real concepts.
ONE. Most people have somewhere between 5 and 10 kits.
TWO. Adding more kit slots would change nothing on your end of the game.
THREE. Lots of people have a variety of weapons and perks that they like, because they realize that there are stronger combinations for any situation than one they had to generalize to be able to fit it in the 5 slots.
FOUR. adding more kits would stop whining, it would not continue, as is evident by how many people have somewhere between 5 and 10 kits.
Your arguments are: "I can do it in 5 kits" "you need to stop whining" "adapt" and "you suck"
Great bail out buddy.Bernadictus wrote:
There is really no need to have any arguments in this discussion because bottom line is: '10 ain't never gonna happen'. Therefore arguing in this topic about this subject is the special Olympics itself.
I'd like to know how "10 ain't never gonna happen" because all it really takes from IW is a simple change that gives you 5 more custom slots.
Yeah you're right what the fuck am I thinking? It's totaly beyond belief that they would actually give you 5 more slots. I mean, haha, giving you more ways to play the game, and making it a more enjoyable experience overall. Pfft, what was I thinking?
And so it finally happened.Bernadictus wrote:
I admit my defeat
very noobish of infinity ward to design the weapons with no rate of fire control like BF2. either the guns shoot on full auto, burst or single shot.
This is a good and relevant post. Thank you.specialistx2324 wrote:
very noobish of infinity ward to design the weapons with no rate of fire control like BF2. either the guns shoot on full auto, burst or single shot.
How about instead of bitching on some forum they dont ever read. Go bitch on their forum, or even better make your own fucking game before you try to slate them for making the game of the year 2007.
Jeez, what the hell is your problem? Did you forget to take your meds or something? Just because it won Game of the Year doesn't mean it's a perfect game without flaws.Vilham wrote:
How about instead of bitching on some forum they dont ever read. Go bitch on their forum, or even better make your own fucking game before you try to slate them for making the game of the year 2007.
Are you seriously that stubborn that you have to go kicking and screaming against a suggested feature that would improve the game? People have already proven you wrong in this thread, and every single post you've made here such as your witty console tards posts make you look like a tool.
lol... seriously who are you?! Why would i care if you think im a "tool", the simple fact is, its not YOUR game, its the game designers, they make it how THEY want. Live with it.killaer wrote:
Jeez, what the hell is your problem? Did you forget to take your meds or something? Just because it won Game of the Year doesn't mean it's a perfect game without flaws.Vilham wrote:
How about instead of bitching on some forum they dont ever read. Go bitch on their forum, or even better make your own fucking game before you try to slate them for making the game of the year 2007.
Are you seriously that stubborn that you have to go kicking and screaming against a suggested feature that would improve the game? People have already proven you wrong in this thread, and every single post you've made here such as your witty console tards posts make you look like a tool.
And you still havent mentioned why you are bitching here... "they" dont read this site. So what are you bitching for? Just to bitch? Wow thats mature.
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Ah, the good old "holy designers" and "they don't read this site" arguments. Really something to fall back on when your non-existing reasons for only wanting 5 slots gets taken away from you. It's funny how you don't approve of criticism of a game that is made for others. That's right, you heard it here first, IW made CoD4 so people other than themselves buy and enjoy it! you'd almost think that they can't perfectly predict what criticisms these 'other people' will have, and that patches do more than just fix bugs.Vilham wrote:
lol... seriously who are you?! Why would i care if you think im a "tool", the simple fact is, its not YOUR game, its the game designers, they make it how THEY want. Live with it.
And you still havent mentioned why you are bitching here... "they" dont read this site. So what are you bitching for? Just to bitch? Wow thats mature.
Sigh.Vilham wrote:
game of the year 2007.
2007. The Year of the Console Port to PC.
Sigh.
Emphatically agree. 2007 was hardly the year of the high-quality title. PC was too busy sucking up the dregs of the console community.GeoEnvi wrote:
Sigh.Vilham wrote:
game of the year 2007.
2007. The Year of the Console Port to PC.
Sigh.
Also, I hereby apply the aptly-named 'Bernadictus Logic Theorem' to all threads within the D&ST board. From now on, all discussion on this website shall be declared void and pointless because practical change and real effect is an unattainable impossibility. Thank you in advance for your cooperation in integrating this new-found approach to your every day posting habits.
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How about go moan on their site. Something you still havent claimed to have done. So until you do.. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. And wrong, they made the game the way they thought people would enjoy it. It is their design decision. Not yours.Lucien wrote:
Ah, the good old "holy designers" and "they don't read this site" arguments. Really something to fall back on when your non-existing reasons for only wanting 5 slots gets taken away from you. It's funny how you don't approve of criticism of a game that is made for others. That's right, you heard it here first, IW made CoD4 so people other than themselves buy and enjoy it! you'd almost think that they can't perfectly predict what criticisms these 'other people' will have, and that patches do more than just fix bugs.Vilham wrote:
lol... seriously who are you?! Why would i care if you think im a "tool", the simple fact is, its not YOUR game, its the game designers, they make it how THEY want. Live with it.
And you still havent mentioned why you are bitching here... "they" dont read this site. So what are you bitching for? Just to bitch? Wow thats mature.
Tbh when i start my internship im going to purposely make decisions like this just to piss people like you off. Reason why? Moaners like you ruin good games. You ruined BF2 with your moaning and i can bet you will ruin cod4.
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When you start your internship you'll learn that all your ideas suck and any game that you have a hand in developing will commercially fail, that is if any company ever has the misfortune of hiring you.Vilham wrote:
How about go moan on their site. Something you still havent claimed to have done. So until you do.. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. And wrong, they made the game the way they thought people would enjoy it. It is their design decision. Not yours.Lucien wrote:
Ah, the good old "holy designers" and "they don't read this site" arguments. Really something to fall back on when your non-existing reasons for only wanting 5 slots gets taken away from you. It's funny how you don't approve of criticism of a game that is made for others. That's right, you heard it here first, IW made CoD4 so people other than themselves buy and enjoy it! you'd almost think that they can't perfectly predict what criticisms these 'other people' will have, and that patches do more than just fix bugs.Vilham wrote:
lol... seriously who are you?! Why would i care if you think im a "tool", the simple fact is, its not YOUR game, its the game designers, they make it how THEY want. Live with it.
And you still havent mentioned why you are bitching here... "they" dont read this site. So what are you bitching for? Just to bitch? Wow thats mature.
Tbh when i start my internship im going to purposely make decisions like this just to piss people like you off. Reason why? Moaners like you ruin good games. You ruined BF2 with your moaning and i can bet you will ruin cod4.
lol... ooo scary. So me having similar ideas to the designers of CoD4 is bad thing... damn dont think ill ever be able to find a job /sarcasm. Seriously, think before you type.
You have admitted that I have proved you wrong - you now no longer have anything to say on the slot argument and are thus moving on to a different territory in which you think you can still win. However, while that is completely true, it is also meaningless in the face of someone who is doing it themselves. So, I shall explain.Vilham wrote:
How about go moan on their site. Something you still havent claimed to have done. So until you do.. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. And wrong, they made the game the way they thought people would enjoy it. It is their design decision. Not yours.
Tbh when i start my internship im going to purposely make decisions like this just to piss people like you off. Reason why? Moaners like you ruin good games. You ruined BF2 with your moaning and i can bet you will ruin cod4.
You hate bitching because you think it ruined BF2. I agree on that, but that's not what matters: by comparing me supposedly crying about BF2 to my thoughts on CoD4, you are attempting to undermine what I have said so far. As I have already restated my reasoning twice - and we have established that you have none for not wanting more slots anyway - we can leave that for what it is. What's important is that we manage to fix you not accepting it.
Let's look at what happened so far by summarizing the flow of posts as briefly as possible:
1. Add more slots
2. I agree
3. Why add more slots?
4. Because we need them
5. You just suck, you don't even need more than 5.
6. No, we really need them. I'll explain why.
7. It won't ever happen anyway.
Do you see what happened at no. 7? You changed the subject - you could no longer support your point of view because it had been proven wrong, so you avoided admitting it and tried a new approach instead. You took part in the discussion, you tried to convince us of what you thought. Yet once you lost it, you claimed that the discussion was worthless anyway. Have you not seen this escape tactic been used in other situations enough times to realize just how weak it is?
However, if you are able to undermine what I've said then what I've said is wrong - thus, I need to prove you wrong again.
You hated what happened to BF2. You saw the whining, how it didnt make sense. How people were trying to make it easier for themselves. Now you see what you perceive as whining again - however, it is not. We want a simple change to the game that simply cannot make it worse, and we have all the logic we need to support us. Just like in BF2, I chose to go with what made sense - in CoD4, more slots. In BF2, no nerfs. That's right, I was not one of those who ruined BF2 by moaning about it. I was on the outnumbered other side. I tried my best to convince people of how they wrong, but there were so many that it was hopeless. Like you, I've come to hate those people.
Unlike you, I have not become afraid of changing my games - there is no need to overcompensate for DICE's wrongdoings by refusing to make changes to other games. Look at what you did: you compared CoD4's increasing the amount of slots to the changing of BF2's fundamental elements of gameplay.
No see what happened is after 6 you really dont need them. I find your explanation as to why you need more unsatisfactory and is therefore in my opinion no reason to add more slots.
I see the number of slots you have a fundamental element of gameplay. It makes you think about what kind of kit you need to fit different roles. That is a very large part of any tactical decision. Does my layout fit the situation? That is the fundamental point as to why they limited the slots.
I see the number of slots you have a fundamental element of gameplay. It makes you think about what kind of kit you need to fit different roles. That is a very large part of any tactical decision. Does my layout fit the situation? That is the fundamental point as to why they limited the slots.
How is it a fundamental element of gameplay? It is a shortcoming on the developers' side. You're right, you need to make your kits fit different role, but that kills your entire ablity to specialize more kits into a specific role, and that shouldn't be the case.Vilham wrote:
No see what happened is after 6 you really dont need them. I find your explanation as to why you need more unsatisfactory and is therefore in my opinion no reason to add more slots.
I see the number of slots you have a fundamental element of gameplay. It makes you think about what kind of kit you need to fit different roles. That is a very large part of any tactical decision. Does my layout fit the situation? That is the fundamental point as to why they limited the slots.
Just tell me: What would happen if 5 more slots are added? How would gameplay be changed at all? People could better adapt to whatever situation they're in.