BF2S Forums How'd you feel if they built a Mosque in your neighborhood?

kylef wrote:

Excuse me for not reading the rest of this thread; but here's my response:

Building a mosque in my neighborhood? Not a good idea. I would have no problem with it; but the neighborhood I live in certainly would. Being a predominantly protestant area, it isn't exactly welcoming if a group of Catholics come on in. Kids round here can accept nothing else than what they were brought up in, and frankly, I know for a fact that a lot of them don't even know the difference between Catholic and Protestant. They simply assume (I can't say it any other way...please, take no offence) that people from the South of Ireland are Catholics. I don't want to get into the whole debate about North and South now...anyway, back to the topic in hand.

Introducing a church in here, especially a mosque which they would see as a 'threat' almost is likely to result in great insecurity to those using it. So, I don't have a problem with it - but I am certainly not saying to do it.

ya the last thing u guys need is more religious violence

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2008-04-02 03:48:22)

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

2. I dunno, but Dearborn is STILL a shithole.

3. I guess you are not including the intolerance and opression Islam has for non-Muslims, gays, or women huh??

2. i dont know where Dearborn is.... but i have a feeling its not the only shithole in america... and wat do u know! places that arnt islamic can also be shitholes!!! who knew?

3. lowing go on travel to a islamic country (not talking about war zones) u will be welcomed like any other person... u say the oppress non-muslims? in lots of stories i have read, mulim familes that have very little are far more hospitible to foreigners than many westerners...

and you say that islam is intolerant to gay, women... in more developed islamic countries this does not happen... you cant compare america or england and say that their so advanced because their not islamic and compare them to afganistan and say the basis for all their problems is islam...

2. Nope yer right it ain't but it is the one that Cam called a "fine city". I never claimed only Islamic dominated ares areshitholes, that is you being a little defensive. Relax.

3. Well the common denominator in these countries is their religion and culture, which are interlocked. The only developed Islamic countries are those that were bought and paid for by the west. The west developed the gold mine under their land. Not them. If not for the west, 100% of all Islamic countries would be in the stone age, and again the common denominator is Islam. Whether you like it or not, 2+2=4

there are also alot of developing countries that arnt islamic? so whats their problem if not islam? do u think that they might have similar problems to the islamic developing countries ..... plenty of developing countries have been exploited by the west... its nothing new and its not related to islam.
well im glad you can at least do simple mathmatics...

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2008-04-02 04:36:17)

Here's how I see it.  Islam is just a religion.  I acknowledge Islam needs some kind of reformation.  I don't like many things about Islam, like Sharia law and the way it treats women or gay people.  But, those who decided to "politically" use violence in order to achieve their goals in the name of Islam aka extremists, are violent and intolerant because of the societies they were born in, not because of the teachings of Islam.  We usually confuse Islam being the main factor of this problem because these societies are not very secular, but that doesn't mean Islam is the cause of these actions.  All terrorists pursue political goals.  If anyone think they do what they do coz of religion, well you are wrong.  Terrorism is a perverted form of politics.  These nutjobs just happen to be Muslims.  If we want to help the moderates to upgrade Islam to Islam 2.0, then we need to show them we are not against them, but against these assholes blowing shit up.  We need to put the moderate Muslims against the extremist Muslims.  When this happens, Islam will leave the Dark Ages.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-04-02 05:09:58)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

this is one of the most important aspects to me. Muslims in developed countries rarely cause problems, or fall for the rhetoric of radicals. They usually integrate well into their host society. Of course, there will always be a difference between those who grew up in a western country, and those who migrated into it from someplace else, but that is to be expected to a degree, and happens with muslims just as it happens with buddhists, hindus, jews, or any other religious or ethnic minority. The important thing is that they respect the secular laws of their host nation, and from what I can tell from the situation here in germany, that seems to be the case.

Muslims here in germany, for example, are totally different from muslims in Pakistan, or Iran, or Iraq, or Syria. Especially the younger ones.
They have come to cherish the advantages of secular, free, democratic societies, and have adapted their religion to accommodate their specific needs, not vice-versa.

Religion isn't the issue. From my point of view, we should be talking unemployment, security and education.

indeed... lowing says that islam couldnt work in western society. i disagree... the conditions in the ME etc mean that their religion will be different there... but in the west it is different again... i dont think islam has any problems with being intergrated into the west...

obviously everything is not suited to the west (communism for example lol) but i dont see islam as a problem...

on a side note i notice usmarine said that islam is most violent and that he hasnt had mormons shoot at him yet muslims have... i really dont think that is relivent to their religion (although people attacking you are obviously extremists) but rather the fact that you are a foreign force in their country... that will never go down to well.

*sigh*

I'm not being critical of what you posted here by the way, LBJ...

Why can't people realise THE TERRORISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.

They're terrorists, full stop.

They use Islam. But they are not Islamic.

If Al-Queda starting calling themselves Christian Fundamentalists, and making videos of supposed 'radical vicars' giving inflamatory sermons, would it be right to then cast that shadow over the whole of Christianity?

NO IT WOULD NOT.

EDIT: misread abit.. even misread my own quote lol....

i completely agree.. seriously i see it as they extremists giving islam a bad name... yet their motives are often not religious at all..

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2008-04-02 05:35:39)