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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I can't believe this has gone on for 22 pages. We get the message already: lowing has an irrational fear of Muslims.

Nope I do not fear Islam, I simply do not like it. It is a violent and intolerant religion. The 22 pages are all of you trying to tap dance around that FACT by calling me Hitler and saying I am just generalizing all the while using a very small percentage of Islamiv presence in America as your proof. If you say that the population is small and insignificant to a society, then you can not use them as your shining example as to what Islam is all about. It don't work that way.

Someone who harps on about an underlying threat posed by muslims to western society bears all the hallmarks of at the very least an irrational obsession and at worst an irrational fear with/of muslims.

Don't think for a second that my life is filled with bullshit from Bf2S, I like to debate, and that is pretty much that. But don't address the post whatever you do.

lowing, your religion sucks as much balls as Islam

Mek-Izzle wrote:

lowing, your religion sucks as much balls as Islam

Best post in this entire thread.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Don't think for a second that my life is filled with bullshit from Bf2S, I like to debate, and that is pretty much that. But don't address the post whatever you do.

I did address the post. I said the Islamic Cultural Centre for the whole of Ireland is located a 10 minute walk from my house. Does it bother me or affect me? Not one bit. Why? Because Muslims are ordinary human beings just like you and me. To think there is something inherently different about an entire tranche of human life on this planet is a little odd. It's kind of like thinking Jews are all member of a secret cabal seeking to control the world at the expense of everyone else.

Take a trip to a Muslim country that isn't being subjected to a military occupation and get back to me with an accurate assessment of Muslims. That is of course if 'your head hasn't been sliced off in the name of Allah' as you probably delusionally fear would occur.

Yeah I feel the same way about Satanists.  All humans are good and they never buy into stupid hateful harmful ideologies.  Now drink your lemon aide and shut up.

CameronPoe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Yeah I feel the same way about Satanists.  All humans are good and they never buy into stupid hateful harmful ideologies.  Now drink your lemon aide and shut up.

lol. Just become some humans are rapists doesn't mean all humans are bad. Same applies to Muslims and acts of terror.

Your conclusion is ok, but you chosen a bit of a poor comparison since, even though not all are rapists, 90% of the humans IS bad.

lowing wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

lowing, your religion sucks as much balls as Islam

That would be fine except I do not have a religion. Unless of course personal responsibility for ones actions, decisions and finances is a religion.

And being responsible has to do with debating about Islam how again...?

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

lowing, your religion sucks as much balls as Islam

That would be fine except I do not have a religion. Unless of course personal responsibility for ones actions, decisions and finances is a religion.

And being responsible has to do with debating about Islam how again...?

ummmmmmmm it doesn't

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I did address the post. I said the Islamic Cultural Centre for the whole of Ireland is located a 10 minute walk from my house. Does it bother me or affect me? Not one bit. Why? Because Muslims are ordinary human beings just like you and me. To think there is something inherently different about an entire tranche of human life on this planet is a little odd. It's kind of like thinking Jews are all member of a secret cabal seeking to control the world at the expense of everyone else.

Take a trip to a Muslim country that isn't being subjected to a military occupation and get back to me with an accurate assessment of Muslims. That is of course if 'your head hasn't been sliced off in the name of Allah' as you probably delusionally fear would occur.

I would think that for a person that can "support the troops" and not "support the war" it would be easy to differenciate between a religion and a person. I take people for their worth individually, I judge actions of a person.

I do not think Islam and its beliefs blends well with western freedoms and diversity. Nothing more nothing less.

I never endorsed kicking Muslims out of the country, I never endorsed killing Muslims, I never endorsed rounding up Muslims and putting them in ghettoes.

I am sorry if my rational belief that Islam as a religion and a culture is violent and intolerant and oppressive does not set well with you. I am sorry you can not prove that it is tolerant, champions equality, or is non-violent. That is not my problem and by you and others like you trying to argue that I am a racist, Hitler, or a bigot or stupid, instead of arguing and proving Islam is not what its image really portraits is transparent.

I dislike the intolerance and ignorance that is inherent in the Catholic church too but what can you do about it? If you banned people from practicing the faith altogether you would be vindicating the extremists (in their eyes) and creating more of a problem. As regards the mosque I guess the only practical consideration with being next door to one would be early morning prayers... but I actually like the sound of their 'Allah Ooh Akbar's', sounds kind of exotic like you're in an Indiana Jones film, don't you think?

The second Catholics take up arms and laws and murder gays or anyone else for believing differently than they do I will join you in your disdain for Catholics.

I do judge them.  Lots of hypocrits and a lot of giving people that have strong morals that are quick to denounce evil people weather they are Christian or not.  Many chritians line up to help the poor no matter what faith, color, or creed they are.  The tsunami for instance.

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

What exactly do I have to say to get any of you to do a comarison between the 2 MEN, the 2 MESSENGERS OF GOD, their teachings words and actions, and stop tap dancing around it?

Why don't you compare them lowing?  Because it would require far too much use of your brain, that's why.  Maybe you can get another peanut out of your pantry and replace your old brain to get full use out of it.

You make a ridiculous claim, and then the burden is on us to prove it wrong...haha ok.

Is it really a ridiculous claim??


http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Silas/founders.htm

http://www.carm.org/islam/Jesus_Muhammad.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 … christ.htm


Ok pal, yer turn............

Ummmmmmmm, Ken??

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

lowing wrote:

Is it really a ridiculous claim??


http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Silas/founders.htm

http://www.carm.org/islam/Jesus_Muhammad.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 … christ.htm


Ok pal, yer turn............

Ummmmmmmm, Ken??

Well for one im gonna say that any comparison on the net is going to obviously be very biased so it does really prove ur point....
but also, its different comparing a man who was "the son of god" and a man who founded a religion based on prophets and beleifs from other religions and his interpritation.... and you saying that christians ignore the old testament is not true... they beleive strongly in the creation story etc and other old testament stories yet dont practise the parts about killing gays and not allowing anyone with bad eyesight into the church... so muslims do not nessesarily practise every aspected of their prophets teachings.

I didn't say Christians did not acknowledge the Old Testament, I said their faith is based on the teachings of CHRIST. That is why they are called CHRISTians.

WHat doesthe internet have to do with anything. Or are you saying that the comparisons are inaccurote? IF that is what you are saying then show me where and how the comparisons are untrue. Accuracy or not is how you can critisize the information not if it supports your point or not.

The entire point of this aspect of the argument is that Islam is based on hate, intolerance and violence toward others and Christianity is based on tolerance and forgiveness. These comparisons just provedthat point.

Whether or not self proclaimed Christians actually follow the teaching of Christ is another matter, but the practices of the extremists ARE folllowing the teachings of Muhammad. You all are even admitting that the "moderaste Muslims" are diluting Islam and they do not follow the vilolent aspects of their religion.  That is fine, but that does not dilute what their religion actually TEACHES. Which is violence, intolerance and hate.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I would think that for a person that can "support the troops" and not "support the war" it would be easy to differenciate between a religion and a person. I take people for their worth individually, I judge actions of a person.

I do not think Islam and its beliefs blends well with western freedoms and diversity. Nothing more nothing less.

I never endorsed kicking Muslims out of the country, I never endorsed killing Muslims, I never endorsed rounding up Muslims and putting them in ghettoes.

I am sorry if my rational belief that Islam as a religion and a culture is violent and intolerant and oppressive does not set well with you. I am sorry you can not prove that it is tolerant, champions equality, or is non-violent. That is not my problem and by you and others like you trying to argue that I am a racist, Hitler, or a bigot or stupid, instead of arguing and proving Islam is not what its image really portraits is transparent.

All of your arguments are null and void given the fact that the vast majority of practicing muslims are peaceful and generous people. You can harp on all you want but you really are only talking about a small minority and quite a narrow interpretation of the creed. So the relevance of what you harp on about is somewhat lost on me.

Hmmmmm, first cartoons and now a movie for Islam worldwide to protest. I honestly think there are more than just a coupla "extremists" out there Cam.

and I what vast majority of Muslims are you speaking of. It has already been established that the Muslims in America and Europe are of such small percentage that they are hardly even noticable and do not affect anything in those countries, so who is the vast majority that you refer?

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hmmmmm, first cartoons and now a movie for Islam worldwide to protest. I honestly think there are more than just a coupla "extremists" out there Cam.

and I what vast majority of Muslims are you speaking of. It has already been established that the Muslims in America and Europe are of such small percentage that they are hardly even noticable and do not affect anything in those countries, so who is the vast majority that you refer?

Moroccans, Algerians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Emirates, Qataris, Turks, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Azeris, Tunisians, Kyrgyz, Chinese Hui, Omanis, Bahrainians, Malaysians, Kuwaitis - why do we never hear much out of these 'violent and intolerant' nations. The UAE is soooo intolerant that it is a weekend drinking destination for thousands of Saudi Muslims, as I learned from a Saudi myself.

Would your family members protest a movie that tried to portray your entire extended family as paedophiles just because you got caught touching a young boy somewhere you shouldn't have?

That's the beauty of free speech - you can put out your take on events and those that disagree can protest it. Marvellous isn't it?

Exactly. Hell, the UAE's about to become the #1 vacation destination in the WORLD in the next 10 or so years.