BF2S Forums Why do you care so much about Israel/Palestine?

It's probably coz it involes religion and religion battles have never been "clean"
It's not Israel's fault either it's Europe(and UK) poisoned gift that started it all...

sergeriver wrote:

The creation of Israel is history.  Israel is there and it has a right to exist.  What matters now is achieving a peace deal to stop the killings on both sides and the miserable living conditions of the Palestinians.  That's why we care.  And I personally feel a responsibility since half of my family is Jewish and I don't like what Israel is doing, despite the Palestinian militants being wackos.

Serge, I agree with this post totally, but please remember all the posts arguing over who was there first, who shot first, who deserves the land and on and on and on. I have seen how passionate you are and hopefully you have come full circle and understand that what happened 2,000 years ago doesnt really matter that much any more. Its historical but nothing more. People need to focus on the here and now.

If we are going to bicker over Palestinians getting their land back, then there should be a thousands threads dedicated to the American Indians getting their land back. The white European took over a huge piece of land (North America) in almost a blink of an eye. Is it going to change now? No, so we have to move forward.

I feel the reason there are so many threads on this is because a few guys here are very, very passionate about it and you can easily get two sides all riled up about it. When some guys call Israel a terrorist state then you will get a backlash....and when a Palestinian group goes in and kills a bunch of kids and the society celebrates it as a heroic act....that will stir up more emotions. I do feel that the Palestinian/ Israel posts are over kill here because it takes away from some of the other bullshit happening around the world.

Bottom line, no one is going to stop fighting over this land, they have been fighting for thousands of years, building temples and mosques and churches on top of one another. Muslims took control, Crusades took it back and back and forth we go, year after year......How is that going to stop. The only way it will stop is if religions and cultures start acting civilized and act like they preach. Peace and good will. It will only happen if people decide to grow up and look past the color of your skin, your religious belief or your history. They need to understand that they are killing brothers and sisters and in this conflict, that is more true than not.

Last edited by DeathBecomesYu (2008-03-08 03:57:27)

I really dont.  I have my own concerns.

I mostly get involved because people have strange views in regard to returning fire in a war.

Bertster7 wrote:

Which is where much of the problem surrounding Israel lies.

well, to be fair, you could say the same thing about any kind of support  the palestinians are getting from the nations in the region.  They do it because they are muslims.  I mean, arab states were constant enemies. Persians......lol.

Bertster7 wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Which is where much of the problem surrounding Israel lies.

well, to be fair, you could say the same thing about any kind of support  the palestinians are getting from the nations in the region.  They do it because they are muslims.  I mean, arab states were constant enemies. Persians......lol.

Absolutely. That's the point I'm making. It has only been perpetuated by religion. If it were not a religious conflict there would almost certainly have been peace by now. Each side gets their backing from sources that fund them because of their religion. Each side hates the other because of their religion and because of the that the whole dispute about a tiny little barren patch of land has become hugely symbolic - much like in the Crusades, but Jews vs. Muslims, rather than Chistians vs. Jews vs. Muslims.

Religion has no place in international (or domestic) politics.

good post

Bertster7 wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

I mostly get involved because people have strange views in regard to returning fire in a war.

What war?

Well its a conflict isn't it? They're still fighting each other. We were still considered to be at war with N.Korea even though we weren't firing at them.

clogar wrote:

because the whole point of their religion is that they are keeping faith that God will give them their land that he promised them, that's when they will consider themselves out of exile

In other words, they let imaginary friends dictate their actions.

Bertster7 wrote:

Created by a minority in a country they had no legitimate jurisdiction over, without the consent of the majority and against the explicit ruling of the governing body of the state by means of terrorism and systematic economic deprivement financed illegally with corporate funds without any consultation of shareholders of those corporations.

A state that has persistently defied the UN, something other countries have been invaded and had their governments deposed for, and has an abhorrent apartheid system in place and denies those who they drove from their homes their basic rights, enshrined in multiple (I think it's 7) differing bodies of international law.

...and a lot of the blame can be laid at Britain's feet for helping to create Israel.  America and France can be blamed for arming Israel.

...and the Palestinians can be blamed for apparently being insane enough to celebrate when an asshole attacks a school.

Turquoise wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Created by a minority in a country they had no legitimate jurisdiction over, without the consent of the majority and against the explicit ruling of the governing body of the state by means of terrorism and systematic economic deprivement financed illegally with corporate funds without any consultation of shareholders of those corporations.

A state that has persistently defied the UN, something other countries have been invaded and had their governments deposed for, and has an abhorrent apartheid system in place and denies those who they drove from their homes their basic rights, enshrined in multiple (I think it's 7) differing bodies of international law.

...and a lot of the blame can be laid at Britain's feet for helping to create Israel.  America and France can be blamed for arming Israel.

...and the Palestinians can be blamed for apparently being insane enough to celebrate when an asshole attacks a school.

You can trace most of today's problems back to whatever time and blame Britain.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

I mostly get involved because people have strange views in regard to returning fire in a war.

What war?

Well its a conflict isn't it? They're still fighting each other. We were still considered to be at war with N.Korea even though we weren't firing at them.

That's not what a war is. N. Korea is a different situation entirely they simply have never made peace and neither side has ever surrendered and so it remains a long term ceasefire.

jord wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Created by a minority in a country they had no legitimate jurisdiction over, without the consent of the majority and against the explicit ruling of the governing body of the state by means of terrorism and systematic economic deprivement financed illegally with corporate funds without any consultation of shareholders of those corporations.

A state that has persistently defied the UN, something other countries have been invaded and had their governments deposed for, and has an abhorrent apartheid system in place and denies those who they drove from their homes their basic rights, enshrined in multiple (I think it's 7) differing bodies of international law.

...and a lot of the blame can be laid at Britain's feet for helping to create Israel.  America and France can be blamed for arming Israel.

...and the Palestinians can be blamed for apparently being insane enough to celebrate when an asshole attacks a school.

You can trace most of today's problems back to whatever time and blame Britain.

It's not Britain's or the Commonwealth forces fault that they kicked the collective Arse of the Ottomans in WW1 and then Established British Mandates