Who in their right mind has ever considered modern Iran moderate?
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Read his blog, lol.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Serge, I never knew Ahmadinejad was claiming he is a moderate. Everyone knows the Iranian regime is one of the worst oppressors of Human Rights. The question is, when will the dumb ass hierarchy stop supporting it?sergeriver wrote:
The European Union has criticised the new penal code being drafted in Iran, particularly a section that imposes the death penalty for giving up Islam. Death for apostasy already exists in Iran under Sharia - or Islamic - law. But the changes would for the first time bring the punishment into the criminal code. In the past, Iranian courts have handed down the death penalty in such cases, but have done so relying on Sharia law. If the draft is approved by parliament, the sentence will be formalised in the country's criminal code.
Well, I suppose I should have left this to Lowing, but this is too much. How can Ahmadinejad claim Iran is moderate and then they have this BS in the penal code? One thing is Sharia law, which is from the Dark Ages, but adding this to a penal code in the 21st Century is outrageous.
Cam, if we criticize Israel for violating human rights, we can't look the other way when Iran does things like this, they live in the Dark Ages really dude.CameronPoe wrote:
Lots and lots of countries violate human rights and nobody does jackshit. Unfortunately for Iran the only countries that violate human rights that other countries decide to meddle with are those with oil or those that are in a militarily strategic location.FEOS wrote:
This wouldn't fall into the category of human rights violations? You get killed if you exercise freedom of religion?max wrote:
That must suck for the people who live there. Then again this is another county and none of our business
Did you read his blog? The guy writes about all the great things in the democratic Iran and there are lots of messages from people all around the world (all of them obviously faked messages) sending greetings and congratulating Ahmadinejad for his job.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
laughing out loud? wish I saw the humor in that.
Who said that wasn't propaganda?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
good job at not recognizing blatant propaganda and taking it for face value.
I forget the only ones allowed to use lol or lawlz are marine and you, sorry.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
you took it serious enough to point out how terribly medieval they are, and laugh, and start a thread about how backwards Iranian law is becoming and how it contradicts their president's message.
what has that got to do with the OP?sergeriver wrote:
I forget the only ones allowed to use lol or lawlz are marine and you, sorry.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
you took it serious enough to point out how terribly medieval they are, and laugh, and start a thread about how backwards Iranian law is becoming and how it contradicts their president's message.
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yeah, that's true. It's something I learned the hard way through the gun control discussions.FEOS wrote:
And various members of this forum take all those countries to task for various domestic policies that have broader-reaching implications...such as human-rights violations, political persecution, ethnic cleansing, etc.CameronPoe wrote:
That would be an unwritten rule I would not really subscribe to. I think that if you are to subscribe to that rule then one must not be hypocritical in doing so. For example, taking Iran to task should also necessitate taking Israel, Zimbabwe, Burma, Russia, Saudi Arabia, China and numerous other nations to task - and at the end of the day who is going to fund possible military actions against all of these mighty and not-so-mighty powers when one has far more pressing domestic issues.FEOS wrote:
I was talking about the unwritten rule around here that, while most domestic policies are off limits, those that clearly violate human rights are no longer strictly "domestic" in nature.
The types of domestic policies that have no impact outside the country under discussion (domestic tax policy, gun laws, etc) are the ones that members have started to stay away from, to greater and lesser degrees. At least that's a trend I've seen of late.
What argument doesn't go my way here? I said this kind of law is BS. You are picking on me all the time, but that's your problem. Btw, are you a Chavez fanboy?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
what has that got to do with the OP?sergeriver wrote:
I forget the only ones allowed to use lol or lawlz are marine and you, sorry.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
you took it serious enough to point out how terribly medieval they are, and laugh, and start a thread about how backwards Iranian law is becoming and how it contradicts their president's message.
answer: nothing
because thats what you resort to when an argument doesnt go your way.
Iran has no right to kill their own people!sergeriver wrote:
The European Union has criticised the new penal code being drafted in Iran, particularly a section that imposes the death penalty for giving up Islam. Death for apostasy already exists in Iran under Sharia - or Islamic - law. But the changes would for the first time bring the punishment into the criminal code. In the past, Iranian courts have handed down the death penalty in such cases, but have done so relying on Sharia law. If the draft is approved by parliament, the sentence will be formalised in the country's criminal code.
Well, I suppose I should have left this to Lowing, but this is too much. How can Ahmadinejad claim Iran is moderate and then they have this BS in the penal code? One thing is Sharia law, which is from the Dark Ages, but adding this to a penal code in the 21st Century is outrageous.
funny you should say that....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_pu … ted_StatesFallenMorgan wrote:
Absolute bullshit. A country should not kill it's own people. I say the United Nations or something should write a new resolution on human rights, that would kick the shit out of North Korea, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. I hate it when people say it's none of our business.
Well, looks like your country is on its way too...Bernadictus wrote:
Wow. Just wow.
I always knew these people lived in the stoneages, but hell. Their leaders are living in a primordial soup.
Did you read the last bit of the article....PekkaA wrote:
Well, looks like your country is on its way too...Bernadictus wrote:
Wow. Just wow.
I always knew these people lived in the stoneages, but hell. Their leaders are living in a primordial soup.
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/210208_2.htm
Yep, funny.B.Schuss wrote:
funny you should say that....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_pu … ted_StatesFallenMorgan wrote:
Absolute bullshit. A country should not kill it's own people. I say the United Nations or something should write a new resolution on human rights, that would kick the shit out of North Korea, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. I hate it when people say it's none of our business.
"Since the reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976, there have been 1,099 executions in the United States as of October 2007. There were 53 executions in 2006."
FallenMorgan said a country should not kill it's own people. the response was at that comment and was therefore accurate, America does kill it's own people.Pug wrote:
Yep, funny.B.Schuss wrote:
funny you should say that....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_pu … ted_StatesFallenMorgan wrote:
Absolute bullshit. A country should not kill it's own people. I say the United Nations or something should write a new resolution on human rights, that would kick the shit out of North Korea, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. I hate it when people say it's none of our business.
"Since the reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976, there have been 1,099 executions in the United States as of October 2007. There were 53 executions in 2006."
The most recent executions solely for crimes other than homicide were, respectively:
Rape - Ronald Wolfe on May 8, 1964, in Missouri.
Criminal assault - Rudolph Wright on January 11, 1962, in California
Kidnapping - Billy Monk on November 21, 1960, in California
Robbery/rape/kidnapping - Caryl Chessman on May 2, 1960, in California
Espionage - Ethel and Julius Rosenberg on June 19, 1953, in New York (Federal execution)
Desertion - Eddie Slovik on January 31, 1945, in Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines, France (Execution by firing squad)[16]
Burglary - Frank Bass on August 8, 1941, in Alabama
Train Robbery- Black Jack Ketchum April 26, 1901 in Clayton, New Mexico Territory
Arson - George Hughes, George Smith, Asbury Hughes on August 1, 1884, in Alabama
Piracy - Nathaniel Gordon on February 21, 1862, in New York (Federal execution)
Treason - John Conn in 1862 in Texas
Slave revolt - Slaves named Caesar, Sam and Sanford on 19 October 1860, in Alabama
Aiding a runaway slave - Starling Carlton in 1859 in South Carolina
Theft - Slave named Jake on December 3, 1855, in Alabama
Horse stealing - James Wilson and Fred Salkman on 28 November 1851, in California
Forgery - 6 March 1840, in South Carolina
Counterfeiting - Thomas Davis on 11 October 1822, in Alabama
Sodomy/buggery/bestiality - Joseph Ross December 20, 1785, in Westmoreland Co., Pennsylvania, for buggery
Concealing the birth/death of an infant - Hannah Piggen in 1785 in Middlesex, Massachusetts
Witchcraft - African American person named Manuel on June 15, 1779, in (present-day) Illinois
Hmmm....Where's all the people put to death in the US for religious intolerance?
True, but unless Morgan speaks up, it doesn't say he's for killing US citizens either.PureFodder wrote:
FallenMorgan said a country should not kill it's own people. the response was at that comment and was therefore accurate, America does kill it's own people.
I don't generalize though. This is outrageous and I condemn it, but I still think a lot of Muslims are good people. It's this kind of nutjobs that make us think Islam is all fucked up.ATG wrote:
Welcome to the Dark Side Serge.
You now see Iran/Islam for what it is; a cancer on the World.
exactlysergeriver wrote:
I don't generalize though. This is outrageous and I condemn it, but I still think a lot of Muslims are good people. It's this kind of nutjobs that make us think Islam is all fucked up.ATG wrote:
Welcome to the Dark Side Serge.
You now see Iran/Islam for what it is; a cancer on the World.
sounds like it bothers you more than anyone else. all the while, providing hours of entertainment for those who read.sergeriver wrote:
What argument doesn't go my way here? I said this kind of law is BS. You are picking on me all the time, but that's your problem.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
what has that got to do with the OP?sergeriver wrote:
I forget the only ones allowed to use lol or lawlz are marine and you, sorry.
answer: nothing
because thats what you resort to when an argument doesnt go your way.
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