| Yes | 62% | 62% - 54 | ||||
| No | 11% | 11% - 10 | ||||
| I have no idea what you're talking about. | 25% | 25% - 22 | ||||
| Total: 86 | ||||||
Who were the ones who colonized the world and invade all asian,african continents ?.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
Who started both world wars?[pt] KEIOS wrote:
Think about what your countries did in the past and how they teach you to blame it on the others!
Germany had control of some of Africa before WW1.venom6 wrote:
Who were the ones who colonized the world and invade all asian,african continents ?.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
Who started both world wars?[pt] KEIOS wrote:
Think about what your countries did in the past and how they teach you to blame it on the others!
Those were the main criminals. They just dont let Germany to have some too. This caused WW1.
Remember the peace treaties from 1920 ?
Yeah that signd WW2 and its again the fault from France and all others who made it happen.
Yes they had a few but those were "worthless" lands.Turquoise wrote:
Germany had control of some of Africa before WW1.
Still, I would agree that the way we treated Germany after WW1 only helped lead to WW2.
Every country in the world has the blood of thousands and sometimes millions of innocent people on their hands.sergeriver wrote:
Hitler was an asshole, but that doesn't mean Germany needs to be PC for ever. What Germany did during WW2 is awful but you can't expect a country to live in the past for those mistakes.
uh did you read 'Mein Kampf' ? or the interviews with hitler? ns has pretty much to do with socialism, of course will there be violence, but only in the nation itsself, at the beginning. ok let me rewriteUzique wrote:
The 'nationalist' part of 'nationalist socialism' doesn't declare the basis/scale of the socialism... it describes the characteristically nationalist values, and everything arising out of that political stance e.g. xenophobia, the importance of nationality, majority representation, and alienation of minorities. It does imply some sort of conflict or violence, because there is no such thing as an idyllic nationalist state- there will always be people displaced or uprooted if a nationalist government comes into power. It's like a huge filtration of the population where only the 'ideal' citizens can remain.SineNomine wrote:
hitler = violenceMek-Izzle wrote:
That's an oxymoron isn't it. Nazism = much violence, it's practically part of the manifesto.
Kinda like Islam
national socialism = socialism on a national basis = not violence, but a "get out" for foreigners
but germany is the only country still paying for it. morally and finacially. 60 years and still every year a new group comes out of nowhere and says 'hey where's my money?'Spearhead wrote:
Every country in the world has the blood of thousands and sometimes millions of innocent people on their hands.sergeriver wrote:
Hitler was an asshole, but that doesn't mean Germany needs to be PC for ever. What Germany did during WW2 is awful but you can't expect a country to live in the past for those mistakes.
Pretending otherwise or banning open discussion about it is pointless.
Forum Nazi.B.Schuss wrote:
well, as long as our Nazi past, and how we started WWII, and the Holocaust are still being brought up in discussions as "arguments" against us, what big of a choice do we have ?
even here, in D&ST, the Nazi argument has been thrown at me repeatedly, to make me shut up or to "beat" me in a discussion.
WWII made a huge impact in europe, and it will take some time before europeans can look at that specific part of their past without bias and accept it as part of history. I agree that we need to remember it, but it should not be holding us back, as it has been for a while.
But we're coming around, slowly. The problem right now is, that the political, cultural, and economical elites here in germany all grew up under the influence of WWII. It will take another generation or two until those who run this country can do so without a historical guilt sitting in the back of their heads. Simply because of the way they have been brought up.
But the day shall come when we'll rid ourselves from the burden of PC, and face our responsibilities and challenges with our head held high, and can do so proudly.
In the meantime, I shall take the liberty to ban anyone who tries to use the Nazi-argument in a legitimate discussion here.
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Ya? Would you use it when people compare the US to nazi Germany? Because it has been said before many times.B.Schuss wrote:
well I shall take the liberty to ban anyone who tries to use the Nazi-argument in a legitimate discussion here.
not when it is a legitimate argument. Only in those instances when the Nazi argument is used to make someone shut up, or when it is used for lack of a better argument.usmarine wrote:
Ya? Would you use it when people compare the US to nazi Germany? Because it has been said before many times.B.Schuss wrote:
well I shall take the liberty to ban anyone who tries to use the Nazi-argument in a legitimate discussion here.
But what about the imperialist countries? What about the terrorism in Ireland? What about Chile with the Pinochet regime, and Russia with their Stalin?Braddock wrote:
Germany is like your mate who doesn't drink much anymore because of some horrifically embarrassing thing they did when they were drunk at a party a while back.
It's just that those other countries you mentioned have no grasp of the metaphysical concept of shame!konfusion wrote:
But what about the imperialist countries? What about the terrorism in Ireland? What about Chile with the Pinochet regime, and Russia with their Stalin?Braddock wrote:
Germany is like your mate who doesn't drink much anymore because of some horrifically embarrassing thing they did when they were drunk at a party a while back.
It's not like any country doesn't have something horrific in it's past. In fact, Hitler's prosecution of Jews is not alone in terms of genocide - look at Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Darfur, Palestine - oh, and the apartheid...
Why is Germany the only one whom anyone seems to care about?
-konfusion
Quite true, I hold no Briton of this generation personally accountable for the grievances of the past here in Ireland. If a Briton held imperialist views that I disagreed with I would argue with them on the subject but I certainly wouldn't hold the modern day population accountable for the sins of the father, as it were.KILLSWITCH wrote:
Modern day Germans have absolutely no responsibility of what went on during WWII, and should not be held accountable. They should be able to talk freely about the atrocities that went on without having to act so politically correct and without stirring controvesy.
We still get stick about the British Empire, but I just laugh at people who associate modern day Britons with the big bad British Empire. Like those idiots who think that they can sue the modern British taxpayer for the atrocities that the Empire carried out over the world. We are not responsible, don't hate us for something that our ancestors did!
Until Germany loses the stigma attached to talking about Nazism, they can never come to terms with it.
that´s why he is the mate, who drives the others home safely and don´t talk immature shit, just because he got wasted. sounds like a good mate.Braddock wrote:
Germany is like your mate who doesn't drink much anymore because of some horrifically embarrassing thing they did when they were drunk at a party a while back.
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probably because none of the above mentioned countries had such a negative impact on the whole of europe, and the world, really. I mean, we started a World War,....again. And combined it with institutionalized, industrialized genocide of unheard proportions.konfusion wrote:
But what about the imperialist countries? What about the terrorism in Ireland? What about Chile with the Pinochet regime, and Russia with their Stalin?Braddock wrote:
Germany is like your mate who doesn't drink much anymore because of some horrifically embarrassing thing they did when they were drunk at a party a while back.
It's not like any country doesn't have something horrific in it's past. In fact, Hitler's prosecution of Jews is not alone in terms of genocide - look at Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Darfur, Palestine - oh, and the apartheid...
Why is Germany the only one whom anyone seems to care about?
-konfusion
It's because of the victims. These people are in charge of the mainstream media around the world so they make sure that you never forget. They make movies about it, documentary, front page of papers etc.. They are powerful lobbyists who pushes to pass law against free speech so in some countries you go to jail just because you talk about it.konfusion wrote:
But what about the imperialist countries? What about the terrorism in Ireland? What about Chile with the Pinochet regime, and Russia with their Stalin?Braddock wrote:
Germany is like your mate who doesn't drink much anymore because of some horrifically embarrassing thing they did when they were drunk at a party a while back.
It's not like any country doesn't have something horrific in it's past. In fact, Hitler's prosecution of Jews is not alone in terms of genocide - look at Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Darfur, Palestine - oh, and the apartheid...
Why is Germany the only one whom anyone seems to care about?
-konfusion
