Sorry but no. I don't care if the victim doesn't want the attacker to be prosected. I'm not letting someone who goes around trying to murder people back into my neighborhood. Thats fucking pathetic if you can actually do that in the U.K.Bertster7 wrote:
Nor can it in the UK. Assault, however, or even attempted murder - could be, if, and only if, the victim doesn't want to press charges.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I didn't read page 2, but I might be missing something. I know GB's laws are somewhat different than the US, but a capital crime like murder cannot be settled out of court by anyone but the DA prosecuting case, and even then it is usually a reduction in charges for pleading guilty to the lesser charge, or in some way helping with a larger aspect of the case. In the US only the court system can settle capital crimes.
I understand what Pat was saying, I just hope that more and more people speak out like he does and doesn't let this form of Islam to take too much hold over even its own in Britain. As I have said before, most Muslims do not want any part of these courts. Yes, parts of our government are way to far up the ass of Saudi Arabia. Someday, America will figure out that we don't need their oil and end that ridiculous relationship or force Saudi Arabia to take responsibility for its corruptness. I will say that maybe, in a way, we remain friends with this country to be closest to your worst enemy....there are benefits in doing that.CameronPoe wrote:
Pat Condell gets it wrong for a change - exaggerating things - although he makes points I concur with his views on the ridiculousness of political correctness. His views do show one important thing though lowing, something you would prefer not to recognise: the people of Europe will not stand for any erosion of our secularity and do not agree with needless political correctness. The widespread furore and the calls for resignation generated by a couple of comments made by a bearded man in a silly robe amongst the people of Britain proves that there will be no accommodation for tiny minorities whose culture has elements that are at odds with our own. Thus far there has been (and cannot be) any erosion of the secularity of our governments and legal systems and you have yet to provide any evidence to the contrary (as usual). Stupid committees deciding on 'non-offensive' guidelines for things that do not actually offend minorities at all (they generally couldn't care less) is something pretty much everyone finds ridiculous and the prevailing mood will beat that back pretty sharpish.lowing wrote:
I am confused...........Cam and others are denying that anything that is being said in this video is happening............
Also why are you presenting this?.........This is something I would have loved to post
Pat also rightly highlights Saudi Arabia as the source of where Islamic scripture is being interpreted in a sick and twisted way. $22bn in arms between 1997 and 2004.... got the placard finished yet? Oh that's right - the US (and many Euro nations) won't criticise anyone too harshly when said country has its penis firmly entrenched far up their arse, pumping oil and oil dollars into it.
http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=Ahdla8j.XB … _cover.jpg
You might be interested to hear that Pat receives support from Muslims who feel embarrassed about the minority practising the 'staunch US ally' version of Islam:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa1_1196174277
I do have a question....is Pat correct when he says that Muslims that practice poligamy do get government hand outs for their extra women? If that is happening then that shows a crack if you want enforce laws equally to everyone. That should not be happening if it is. If it is happening then yes, parts of Islam is being allowed because somebody doesn't want to offend somebody and that could open doors to other problems.
If my memory serves me correctly was it not Europeans who decided that people of a particular faith who found it difficult integrating should be rounded up and sent to gas chambers and furnaces? Our dark history shows that we are not actually that accepting of minorities encroaching on our culture and heritage. Hate crimes against Muslims are on the rise, as is support for parties like the BNP and politicians like Jean-Marie LePen.lowing wrote:
Yeah, I guess Europe has gotten to a point in its history where its societies are unwavering and uninfluenced by outsiders.......righhttttttttt.
"if ya pull my other leg, it plays jingle bells"
From what I read it's like this: polygamy is illegal in Britain but since the adoption of a particular Human Rights Act a few years ago those who enter the country that have more than one wife (from having married them in another country where it is legal) can benefit to a certain degree from a welfare break. As such I guess Mormons and Muslims can benefit from this - it's not Islam specific. I must find the details of this act.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I do have a question....is Pat correct when he says that Muslims that practice poligamy do get government hand outs for their extra women? If that is happening then that shows a crack if you want enforce laws equally to everyone. That should not be happening if it is. If it is happening then yes, parts of Islam is being allowed because somebody doesn't want to offend somebody and that could open doors to other problems.
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Believe so, can't find the link - that really is crap, my taxes going to fund that kind of thing - if you don't like the laws don't enter the country, or pick a different religion.I do have a question....is Pat correct when he says that Muslims that practice poligamy do get government hand outs for their extra women? If that is happening then that shows a crack if you want enforce laws equally to everyone.
BTW Looks like Sharia law could already be in place
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7237207.stm
Yes I KNOW its ONE beheading... gee...Police name headless corpse man
A decapitated body found behind a row of shops in north London has been identified as Lakhdar Ouyahia.
Mr Ouyahia, who was 43 and an Algerian national, was found wrapped in a blood-stained duvet in a supermarket goods cage in Kilburn.
Detectives investigating the case have also confirmed that they have found Mr Ouyahia's head in a canal nearby.
Mohamed Boudjenane, 45, of Kingsgate Road, Kilburn, is due to appear in court on Monday charged with murder.
A man and a woman arrested in Alvaston, Derby, are being questioned on suspicion of assisting an offender.
Post-mortem tests on the body have so far proved inconclusive. Police officers found the head on Sunday afternoon in the Grand Union Canal at Blomfield Road, Paddington.
But 'headless corpse' 'post mortem inconclusive' Plod is the best description
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Got something planned Poe?Poe wrote:
I must find the details of this act.
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Holy shit, my youngest brother lives in Kilburn.Dilbert_X wrote:
Believe so, can't find the link - that really is crap, my taxes going to fund that kind of thing - if you don't like the laws don't enter the country, or pick a different religion.I do have a question....is Pat correct when he says that Muslims that practice poligamy do get government hand outs for their extra women? If that is happening then that shows a crack if you want enforce laws equally to everyone.
BTW Looks like Sharia law could already be in place
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7237207.stmYes I KNOW its ONE beheading... gee...Police name headless corpse man
A decapitated body found behind a row of shops in north London has been identified as Lakhdar Ouyahia.
Mr Ouyahia, who was 43 and an Algerian national, was found wrapped in a blood-stained duvet in a supermarket goods cage in Kilburn.
Detectives investigating the case have also confirmed that they have found Mr Ouyahia's head in a canal nearby.
Mohamed Boudjenane, 45, of Kingsgate Road, Kilburn, is due to appear in court on Monday charged with murder.
A man and a woman arrested in Alvaston, Derby, are being questioned on suspicion of assisting an offender.
Post-mortem tests on the body have so far proved inconclusive. Police officers found the head on Sunday afternoon in the Grand Union Canal at Blomfield Road, Paddington.
But 'headless corpse' 'post mortem inconclusive' Plod is the best description
OTOH Looks like Darwin will get them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7237663.stm (heavily abridged by me)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7237663.stm (heavily abridged by me)
Birth defects warning sparks row.
A minister who warned about birth defects among children of first cousin marriages in Britain's Asian community has sparked anger among critics.
Phil Woolas said health workers were aware such marriages were creating increased risk of genetic problems.
The claims infuriated the Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC) which called on the prime minister to "sack him".
MPAC spokesman Asghar Bukhari said Mr Woolas' comments "verged on Islamophobia".
The call for action was also supported by Labour MP Ann Cryer who raised the issue two years ago after research showed British Pakistanis were 13 times more likely to have children with recessive disorders than the general population.
Mrs Cryer, who represents Keighley in West Yorkshire, told the Sunday Times: "This is to do with a medieval culture where you keep wealth within the family."
"I have encountered cases of blindness and deafness. There was one poor girl who had to have an oxygen tank on her back and breathe from a hole in the front of her neck," she added.
"The parents were warned they should not have any more children. But when the husband returned from Pakistan, within months they had another child with exactly the same condition."
Research for BBC2's Newsnight in November 2005 showed British Pakistanis accounted for 3.4% of all births but have 30% of all British children with "recessive disorders".
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Oh no! Is his name Lakhdar Ouyahia?Holy shit, my youngest brother lives in Kilburn.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Oh noes!Dilbert_X wrote:
Oh no! Is his name Lakhdar Ouyahia?Holy shit, my youngest brother lives in Kilburn.
The fact that the laws of Great Britain arent being respected and PURPOSELY being usurped is absolutely shameful, degrading, and unacceptable!
These politicians and citizens of Britain as a whole need to take their country back ASAP!! In my opinion the country is already lost. . .
I have always joked, but my notion of the new title "The Islamic Republic of Great Britain" doesnt seem too far off. . . . .
Pathetic absolutely pathetic. . . . Liberalism/appeasement run a muck . . . . .
These politicians and citizens of Britain as a whole need to take their country back ASAP!! In my opinion the country is already lost. . .
I have always joked, but my notion of the new title "The Islamic Republic of Great Britain" doesnt seem too far off. . . . .
Pathetic absolutely pathetic. . . . Liberalism/appeasement run a muck . . . . .
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lol. Nothing contravening British law is happening.fadedsteve wrote:
The fact that the laws of Great Britain arent being respected and PURPOSELY being usurped is absolutely shameful, degrading, and unacceptable!
These politicians and citizens of Britain as a whole need to take their country back ASAP!! In my opinion the country is already lost. . .
I have always joked, but my notion of the new title "The Islamic Republic of Great Britain" doesnt seem too far off. . . . .
Pathetic absolutely pathetic. . . . Liberalism/appeasement run a muck . . . . .
It's probably worth noting that there's a bunch of similar Jewish pseudo-courts in the UK. Anyone fancy having a rant about how the Jewish are trying to take over Europe and must be stopped?
Didn't think so.
Didn't think so.
They seemed to have moved their focus to the US.It's probably worth noting that there's a bunch of similar Jewish pseudo-courts in the UK. Anyone fancy having a rant about how the Jewish are trying to take over Europe and must be stopped?
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Ive said that twice in this thread but no one comments.PureFodder wrote:
It's probably worth noting that there's a bunch of similar Jewish pseudo-courts in the UK. Anyone fancy having a rant about how the Jewish are trying to take over Europe and must be stopped?
Didn't think so.
I guess the jews don't chop heads off people, force girls to marry their cousins, blow people up or fly aeroplanes into buildings - the jews are much smarter than all that.Ive said that twice in this thread but no one comments.
Not that I like to generalise about people, just stating the obvious.
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lol, you don't generalise...............? Stating the obvious? What that all 1billion odd Muslims in the world have all flew planes into buildings? And a Jewish person has never been involved in an act of terrorism? Very obvious that.Dilbert_X wrote:
I guess the jews don't chop heads off people, force girls to marry their cousins, blow people up or fly aeroplanes into buildings
Not that I like to generalise about people, just stating the obvious.
The first act of air piracy in the history of civil aviation was carried out by Israel, in Dec. 1954, when a civilian Syrian airliner was forced down in Tel Aviv and its passengers and crew held for days, despite international condemnation.
In 1968, Israeli commandos blew up 13 civilian airliners at Beirut airport in Lebanon.
The first deliberate shooting down a civilian airliner was carried out by Israel, when a Libyan airliner was shot down by Israeli jet fighters over Sinai, in Feb. 1973, on the direct orders of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, killing all 107 of its passengers and the entire French crew.
August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.
November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).
November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.
January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.
January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.
January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.
January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..
March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.
March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.
March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.
April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.
April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.
May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.
May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.
Ok we have established that Some Jewish People have been involved in terrorism, so by your thinking their court system in the UK should be abolished then?
Cam wtf. Pick a side. First you say your anti the laws of england being changed, Then you say it's ok for this group, Yadda Yadda Yadda!
You know what i think cam? You have no political preference other than Anti-Britain, And Anti-US, Because of some shit a couple hundred years ago the brits did to your country.Tell me where you alive back then? Why do the sins of the father carry on for the brits and americans that are alive now? Which we dont practice, But not for the saudi's and chinese/koreans? Which they do practice. Tell me cam why?
You know what i think cam? You have no political preference other than Anti-Britain, And Anti-US, Because of some shit a couple hundred years ago the brits did to your country.Tell me where you alive back then? Why do the sins of the father carry on for the brits and americans that are alive now? Which we dont practice, But not for the saudi's and chinese/koreans? Which they do practice. Tell me cam why?
Pick a side? SECULARITY AND SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. That's my side, as a hardcore dyed-in-the-wool atheist. I did not for a minute state that the laws of England changing would ever ever be a good thing - or can't you read?David.P wrote:
Cam wtf. Pick a side. First you say your anti the laws of england being changed, Then you say it's ok for this group, Yadda Yadda Yadda!
You know what i think cam? You have no political preference other than Anti-Britain, And Anti-US, Because of some shit a couple hundred years ago the brits did to your country.Tell me where you alive back then? Why do the sins of the father carry on for the brits and americans that are alive now? Which we dont practice, But not for the saudi's and chinese/koreans? Which they do practice. Tell me cam why?
At one time I would have said Cam is anti British, but he doesn't seem to have a side. He calls it as he sees it. So far he's been pretty much on the British side, defending Britain against idiotic claims that Muslims are taking over. Or whatever people in America think.David.P wrote:
Cam wtf. Pick a side. First you say your anti the laws of england being changed, Then you say it's ok for this group, Yadda Yadda Yadda!
You know what i think cam? You have no political preference other than Anti-Britain, And Anti-US, Because of some shit a couple hundred years ago the brits did to your country.Tell me where you alive back then? Why do the sins of the father carry on for the brits and americans that are alive now? Which we dont practice, But not for the saudi's and chinese/koreans? Which they do practice. Tell me cam why?
Thanks Cam...
It's very telling that no one British posting in this thread seems remotely concerned about any of this. Perhaps because we all have some grasp of what the real situation is here and are not living in some fantasy fairyland plagued by the evil menace of Islam.
Couldn't have said it better myself.Bertster7 wrote:
It's very telling that no one British posting in this thread seems remotely concerned about any of this. Perhaps because we all have some grasp of what the real situation is here and are not living in some fantasy fairyland plagued by the evil menace of Islam.
Hmmm...could the same be said about Brits getting all in a dither over US domestic policies?JahManRed wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself.Bertster7 wrote:
It's very telling that no one British posting in this thread seems remotely concerned about any of this. Perhaps because we all have some grasp of what the real situation is here and are not living in some fantasy fairyland plagued by the evil menace of Islam.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Nobody gives a flying fuck about US domestic policy.FEOS wrote:
Hmmm...could the same be said about Brits getting all in a dither over US domestic policies?JahManRed wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself.Bertster7 wrote:
It's very telling that no one British posting in this thread seems remotely concerned about any of this. Perhaps because we all have some grasp of what the real situation is here and are not living in some fantasy fairyland plagued by the evil menace of Islam.
Second amendment much?
How about tax rebates?
Incarceration/punishment of criminals?
Universal health care policy?
Shall I go on?
How about tax rebates?
Incarceration/punishment of criminals?
Universal health care policy?
Shall I go on?
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular