Oh I think you think it is meaningless. For them, I think they think, their laws should and WILL supercede any western mandates eventually. I think this the beginning of attempts to push the line farther and farther away from the laws of the land. Of course, I am just being my paranoid self.CameronPoe wrote:
Try and deny it.lowing wrote:
lolCameronPoe wrote:
lol ridiculous. Their decisions do not and cannot have any legal meaning. Or didn't you realise that? If anyone 'remarried' they could be tried for polygamy and they would not reap the tax benefits of any so-called 'marriage' they might be in. Meaningless.
I will also be curious to see what happens when the laws of the land override sharia law in some of the more serious and critical cases.....I am betting it won't be pretty.
I like how Fox didn't actually do any investigation themselves, just read an article in the oh-so-accurate Daily Mail and paraphrased it.
Watch out for all those scary brown people, kids!
Watch out for all those scary brown people, kids!
I am confused...........Cam and others are denying that anything that is being said in this video is happening............
Also why are you presenting this?.........This is something I would have loved to post
Pat Condell gets it wrong for a change - exaggerating things - although he makes points I concur with his views on the ridiculousness of political correctness. His views do show one important thing though lowing, something you would prefer not to recognise: the people of Europe will not stand for any erosion of our secularity and do not agree with needless political correctness. The widespread furore and the calls for resignation generated by a couple of comments made by a bearded man in a silly robe amongst the people of Britain proves that there will be no accommodation for tiny minorities whose culture has elements that are at odds with our own. Thus far there has been (and cannot be) any erosion of the secularity of our governments and legal systems and you have yet to provide any evidence to the contrary (as usual). Stupid committees deciding on 'non-offensive' guidelines for things that do not actually offend minorities at all (they generally couldn't care less) is something pretty much everyone finds ridiculous and the prevailing mood will beat that back pretty sharpish.lowing wrote:
I am confused...........Cam and others are denying that anything that is being said in this video is happening............
Also why are you presenting this?.........This is something I would have loved to post
Pat also rightly highlights Saudi Arabia as the source of where Islamic scripture is being interpreted in a sick and twisted way. $22bn in arms between 1997 and 2004.... got the placard finished yet? Oh that's right - the US (and many Euro nations) won't criticise anyone too harshly when said country has its penis firmly entrenched far up their arse, pumping oil and oil dollars into it.
You might be interested to hear that Pat receives support from Muslims who feel embarrassed about the minority practising the 'staunch US ally' version of Islam:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa1_1196174277
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Cam i used to think you were smart and had reason and logic to back up your arguements. Now i see you're no better than me.
I have a lot of respect for Pat Condell. He makes a lot of good points.David.P wrote:
Cam i used to think you were smart and had reason and logic to back up your arguements. Now i see you're no better than me.
Here's the reason and logic:
The British people have expressed indignant outrage at the mumblings of the Archbishop of Canterbury. The secularity of Britain is safe and dry because this fact coupled with the fact that politicians who make laws are answerable to their electorate, who very evidently treasure the secular nature of the enlightened world, their own indigenous cultural heritage and would never allow it to be diluted in the slightest. The laws of the land are firmly secular in nature and always will be. Until you can provide any single, solitary fact demonstrating a dilution of the secularity of any of the legal systems of Europe your arguments don't have a leg to stand on. If there was such an incident or a genuine threat of one you would probably find me, and thousands of others, marching to the nearest government representative to lambast him in a quite forthright and angry manner.
According to the BBC website there is not one single, solitary incidence in the western world of any aspect of Sharia having been adopted as part of common law.
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Yes I agree you are being your paranoid self. You are totally off the ball on European sentiment on such issues and the real and actual level of threat of such a ludicrous notion being taken seriously. I live in a secular (although Catholic-biased unfortunately) nation and will not allow my cultural heritage to be diluted, my constitution to be violated or my legal system to be subverted. I have about 4 million others on my island I am sure think the same way.lowing wrote:
Oh I think you think it is meaningless. For them, I think they think, their laws should and WILL supercede any western mandates eventually. I think this the beginning of attempts to push the line farther and farther away from the laws of the land. Of course, I am just being my paranoid self.
As for Britain:
Gordon Brown wrote:
The Prime Minister was clear that in Britain, British laws based on British values applied.
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But they are not being applied.CameronPoe wrote:
Gordon Brown wrote:
The Prime Minister was clear that in Britain, British laws based on British values applied.
Wtf? THEY ARE BEING APPLIED! Give me a fucking example of where British law is being violated or where if it was being violated and it was discovered that the perpetrators weren't taken to the courts immediately!!!!David.P wrote:
But they are not being applied.CameronPoe wrote:
Gordon Brown wrote:
The Prime Minister was clear that in Britain, British laws based on British values applied.
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Yes they are.David.P wrote:
But they are not being applied.CameronPoe wrote:
Gordon Brown wrote:
The Prime Minister was clear that in Britain, British laws based on British values applied.
What is happening contrary to British law in this scenario?
How about the hate speech laws? As it stands now you cant say anything about Islam without being sent to jail, But they can say shit about you.
Depends what they say....David.P wrote:
How about the hate speech laws? As it stands now you cant say anything about Islam without being sent to jail, But they can say shit about you.
If they speak out against someone for being a specific religion, Christian or Jewish targets spring to mind, they are subject to exactly the same hate speech laws. There are no double standards here.
In any case, how is that connected to Sharia law?
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I didn't read page 2, but I might be missing something. I know GB's laws are somewhat different than the US, but a capital crime like murder cannot be settled out of court by anyone but the DA prosecuting case, and even then it is usually a reduction in charges for pleading guilty to the lesser charge, or in some way helping with a larger aspect of the case. In the US only the court system can settle capital crimes.
Nor can it in the UK. Assault, however, or even attempted murder - could be, if, and only if, the victim doesn't want to press charges.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I didn't read page 2, but I might be missing something. I know GB's laws are somewhat different than the US, but a capital crime like murder cannot be settled out of court by anyone but the DA prosecuting case, and even then it is usually a reduction in charges for pleading guilty to the lesser charge, or in some way helping with a larger aspect of the case. In the US only the court system can settle capital crimes.
ok lets see.
Muslim immigration into Europe is at an all time high.
Special treatment is fevorishy being sought by them.
GB has softened their language in dealing with Islamic radicalism to apprease the masses
They have set up special courts to deal with "their own" problems and side step the due process established by the govt.
Mosques going up in Europe in record numbers
then this
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/008844.php
Ok Cam, you win, sounds like europe has it all under control but I gotta tell ya, for such a small minority of people, they sure can make a big stink. LOL...enjoy
Muslim immigration into Europe is at an all time high.
Special treatment is fevorishy being sought by them.
GB has softened their language in dealing with Islamic radicalism to apprease the masses
They have set up special courts to deal with "their own" problems and side step the due process established by the govt.
Mosques going up in Europe in record numbers
then this
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/008844.php
Ok Cam, you win, sounds like europe has it all under control but I gotta tell ya, for such a small minority of people, they sure can make a big stink. LOL...enjoy
It's one step towards it.Bertster7 wrote:
Depends what they say....David.P wrote:
How about the hate speech laws? As it stands now you cant say anything about Islam without being sent to jail, But they can say shit about you.
If they speak out against someone for being a specific religion, Christian or Jewish targets spring to mind, they are subject to exactly the same hate speech laws. There are no double standards here.
In any case, how is that connected to Sharia law?
I keep tell you people, and keep telling you people, these motherfuckers are going to spread that shit around the globe until they're in charge. They're going to move to your cities, operate their courts, change your laws, overrun your society and destroy your culture if YOU LET THEM. All these appeasers are going to see their entire way of life go away. This is the religious version of the economic story told in Atlas Shrugged. I am firmly convinced that the entire religion needs to be wiped out, all its followers need to be executed, and any evidence of the existence of Islam should be erased from the history books. It's an evil virus that's spreading around the world and the feel-good "live and let live" crowd is going to let them whittle away at us until they are all that's left and YOUR WIFE has to go to the grocery store in downtown Dallas wearing a burka.
lowing fuck off with this islamic shit already.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
how about you fuck off if you don't like it.FatherTed wrote:
lowing fuck off with this islamic shit already.
no uusmarine wrote:
how about you fuck off if you don't like it.FatherTed wrote:
lowing fuck off with this islamic shit already.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
NO, YOU FIRST!!!........lolFatherTed wrote:
no uusmarine wrote:
how about you fuck off if you don't like it.FatherTed wrote:
lowing fuck off with this islamic shit already.
We've been over the numbers a million times lowing.lowing wrote:
Muslim immigration into Europe is at an all time high.
Muslim population of EU: 16 million out of 495 million. Small and concentrated mainly in two countries - the UK and France.
2005 net immigration to EU: 1.8 million, only a percentage of which are Muslim. Oddly for instance we have seen a large influx of Brazilians here in Ireland (I have no idea why).
Immigration is getting more difficult for outsiders to do. Legislation is being passed all over Europe to restrict the ease with which citizenship is attained. Popular sentiment will mean that such legislation will only be strengthened.
So unless you believe Muslim women carry five wombs and Muslim men can reproduce asexually I don't think we have anything to worry about...
Not where I am and certainly not any kind of treatment any other type of minority doesn't receive (e.g. Jews, Sikhs, Hindus...).lowing wrote:
Special treatment is fevorishy being sought by them.
We already analysed this ad infinitum. A positive step, especially in line with their procedures for rooting out and clamping down on terrorism. A two pronged attack, Mr. Nice/Intelligent and Mr. Nasty.lowing wrote:
GB has softened their language in dealing with Islamic radicalism to apprease the masses
Do you understand what an arbitration court is? Do you not have arbitration courts in the world of business in the US? Any decision an arbitration court comes to cannot contravene the laws of the nation.lowing wrote:
They have set up special courts to deal with "their own" problems and side step the due process established by the govt.
That's not really that surprising given that we have immigrants coming to us from diverse regions of the world. I'm sure Hindu and Sikh temples are on the rise too and Christian churches are fuller than they have been in a while (certainly the case here with our Polish influx).lowing wrote:
Mosques going up in Europe in record numbers
Ah, the irrepressible jihadwatch, font of all wisdom. Minorities of minorities 'calling' and 'writing letters' *Oh, I'm so scared!* does not back up your argument. They can't change shit. We would never do that. We live in a majority rules, constitutionally secular network of nations based on equality and respect for human rights and personal freedom, remember? I have to say that I'm touched that you care though...lowing wrote:
then this
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/008844.ph
Ok Cam, you win, sounds like europe has it all under control but I gotta tell ya, for such a small minority of people, they sure can make a big stink. LOL...enjoy
I find it amusing that the prognostication made in the article, over two years ago, has come to nothing and those that commented seemed equally deluded, presuming that Chirac was putting through the paperwork as they typed! lol
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Yeah, I guess Europe has gotten to a point in its history where its societies are unwavering and uninfluenced by outsiders.......righhttttttttt.CameronPoe wrote:
We've been over the numbers a million times lowing.lowing wrote:
Muslim immigration into Europe is at an all time high.
Muslim population of EU: 16 million out of 495 million. Small and concentrated mainly in two countries - the UK and France.
2005 net immigration to EU: 1.8 million, only a percentage of which are Muslim. Oddly for instance we have seen a large influx of Brazilians here in Ireland (I have no idea why).
Immigration is getting more difficult for outsiders to do. Legislation is being passed all over Europe to restrict the ease with which citizenship is attained. Popular sentiment will mean that such legislation will only be strengthened.
So unless you believe Muslim women carry five wombs and Muslim men can reproduce asexually I don't think we have anything to worry about...Not where I am and certainly not any kind of treatment any other type of minority doesn't receive (e.g. Jews, Sikhs, Hindus...).lowing wrote:
Special treatment is fevorishy being sought by them.We already analysed this ad infinitum. A positive step, especially in line with their procedures for rooting out and clamping down on terrorism. A two pronged attack, Mr. Nice/Intelligent and Mr. Nasty.lowing wrote:
GB has softened their language in dealing with Islamic radicalism to apprease the massesDo you understand what an arbitration court is? Do you not have arbitration courts in the world of business in the US? Any decision an arbitration court comes to cannot contravene the laws of the nation.lowing wrote:
They have set up special courts to deal with "their own" problems and side step the due process established by the govt.That's not really that surprising given that we have immigrants coming to us from diverse regions of the world. I'm sure Hindu and Sikh temples are on the rise too and Christian churches are fuller than they have been in a while (certainly the case here with our Polish influx).lowing wrote:
Mosques going up in Europe in record numbersAh, the irrepressible jihadwatch, font of all wisdom. Minorities of minorities 'calling' and 'writing letters' *Oh, I'm so scared!* does not back up your argument. They can't change shit. We would never do that. We live in a majority rules, constitutionally secular network of nations based on equality and respect for human rights and personal freedom, remember? I have to say that I'm touched that you care though...lowing wrote:
then this
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/008844.ph
Ok Cam, you win, sounds like europe has it all under control but I gotta tell ya, for such a small minority of people, they sure can make a big stink. LOL...enjoy
I find it amusing that the prognostication made in the article, over two years ago, has come to nothing and those that commented seemed equally deluded, presuming that Chirac was putting through the paperwork as they typed! lol
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