Kmar
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I think the most upsetting part of this is that it is so common now that it barely makes news.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/28 … -security/

TAMPA (Bay News 9) -- A drill run by Transportation Security Administration (TSA) undercover agents managed to sneak a fake bomb through security at Tampa International Airport (TIA).

TSA said it conducts about a dozen such undercover tests everyday. But when Tampa's turn came up, TSA agents didn't fare well.

The checks were conducted by Bay News 9's partner, CNN.

CNN's cameras used what looked like an improvised explosive device (IED) - a copy of the real thing that should set off alarms when it's detected.

The undercover agents arrived at TIA unannounced, only alerting the airport's top security officials a few minutes before the test began.
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    * TIA security lapseWatch Video
    * E-mail TV reporter Laurie Davison

At the checkpoint, the traveler was wanded and patted down. But the screener never caught the IED, meaning if it were a real bomb it's would have been headed for a plane. A thought that makes some travelers at TIA uneasy.

"If they get on my plane and they want to do some damage it would be very disheartening," Mike Fredrickson said.

Others expressed surprise.

"I'd say the odds of that are pretty slim because they won't let me take anything in the way of liquid," Joyce Wilcox said.
TSA Assistant Administrator David Holmes said the tests are designed to highlight where security vulnerabilities exist at airports.

Immediately, TSA agents told the screener about the mistake. This time, the screener is told to lift up the travelers shirt and the IED is discovered.

The screener expressed concern about the mistake, but TSA said it's a learning exercise.

"We're designing our tests not so much to indicate or to show or highlight performance or absence of performance at a particular airport, but we're highlighting where the vulnerabilities exist at the airport," TSA assistant Administrator David Holmes said.

The agency said screeners around the country fail these tests more often than they pass them.

In a written statement about the Tampa International test, TSA said "Although the transportation security officer involved did not pass this particular test, it is in no way an indictment of the checkpoint personnel or airport involved."

Still, some travelers are skeptical.

"They are going to have to tighten up more or something because it never should have happened," Larry Giese said.

A spokeswoman for TIA said the airport is not commenting on the test.

TSA said techniques like the one used at Tampa International are known to terrorists and openly discussed on known terror web sites.
They are doing these test nationwide and so far all the major airports (Tampa international Included) have failed more times than they have passed. When they fail it essentially means that TSA's agent were able to sneak IED's past security check points and board planes. How and the hell is this stuff not plastered all over the major news outlets? We are not just talking about box cutters and butter knives here. These things are replica's of improvised explosive devices. We spend all this time fighting overseas content with the idea that we are holding back Islamic extremist, yet the majority of the time we are tested internally we fail at preventing what would be a tragic outcome. We have learned absolutely nothing about preventing real terrorism. What the hell is going on here?

The video can be seen here.

Look for: https://i31.tinypic.com/5tx85k.jpg
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usmarine
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Well, unless you screen pax like El-Al does, then this will happen.  But if you do that, it would take you 4 hours to get on a plane.
HurricaИe
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Wow... putting all our cards on the enemy simply not trying to do anything eh?

And also I feel split on how much coverage it should get. On one hand it would certainly put pressure on the TSA to get their act together, but on the other hand... I don't think Abu Akbar has a hard time getting onto CNN and reading about this.
GunSlinger OIF II
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I almost got a job with TSA
S.Lythberg
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well....


I'm guessing the agent wasn't a middle eastern man, and racism or not, they would have likely checked an arab-looking man much more closely...
usmarine
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And trust me, this is the least of the failure you should be concerned with.  I know of way worse crap
HurricaИe
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I almost got a job with TSA
one time i was at salt lake airport, and this one TSA agent (a lady... I think) was rather rotund but she was like bald except for this long-ass wispy ponytail

weird to say the least
Ty
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Didn't you know? IEDs are fine, you're just not allowed to take your nail clippers. Those things might... I dunno... cause some minor irritation or something.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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GunSlinger OIF II
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HurricaИe wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I almost got a job with TSA
one time i was at salt lake airport, and this one TSA agent (a lady... I think) was rather rotund but she was like bald except for this long-ass wispy ponytail

weird to say the least
I took and passed the test.  I was bout to take the physical.  But, somebody I know said they hate their job working for em and couldnt wait to find another one.  I decided not to pursue it anymore.  From what I was being told, it sounds too much like being in the army in garrison
usmarine
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Somehow I do not think you guys understand.  The checkpoint is merely window dressing.  It is there to give you a false "piece of mind."  Then again, their accomplishments are never known, just the failures.  Always has, and always will be for the foreseeable future.
Kmar
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Well, unless you screen pax like El-Al does, then this will happen.  But if you do that, it would take you 4 hours to get on a plane.
These were more obvious than that. It took me about three hours to board last time I flew back home. If they put on more personal then they could expedite the process without sacrificing security. The problem is we would rather roll the dice than pay 4 more bucks for airfare.

usmarine2005 wrote:

Somehow I do not think you guys understand.  The checkpoint is merely window dressing.  It is there to give you a false "piece of mind."  Then again, their accomplishments are never known, just the failures.  Always has, and always will be for the foreseeable future.
I understand and that's my point.
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GunSlinger OIF II
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Somehow I do not think you guys understand.  The checkpoint is merely window dressing.  It is there to give you a false "piece of mind."  Then again, their accomplishments are never known, just the failures.  Always has, and always will be for the foreseeable future.
thats the same way I think about our intelligence agencies.  People always bash em when they fuck up but when they do right, they get zero credit.
Kmar
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Somehow I do not think you guys understand.  The checkpoint is merely window dressing.  It is there to give you a false "piece of mind."  Then again, their accomplishments are never known, just the failures.  Always has, and always will be for the foreseeable future.
thats the same way I think about our intelligence agencies.  People always bash em when they fuck up but when they do right, they get zero credit.
According to the report they fail these audits more than they pass. I'll look for hard numbers.
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usmarine
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Kmarion wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Well, unless you screen pax like El-Al does, then this will happen.  But if you do that, it would take you 4 hours to get on a plane.
These were more obvious than that. It took me about three hours to board last time I flew back home. If they put on more personal then they could expedite the process without sacrificing security. The problem is we would rather roll the dice than pay 4 more bucks for airfare.
Yes but the checkpoint is pointless really.  You have a ramp worker who makes 9 bucks an hour maybe.  If I wanted to get something on an airplane, that would be my first choice.  Bribe his ass.  Or just get someone in my terrorist group to get a job at the airport.  Internal is far more serious than external.
GunSlinger OIF II
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Kmarion wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Somehow I do not think you guys understand.  The checkpoint is merely window dressing.  It is there to give you a false "piece of mind."  Then again, their accomplishments are never known, just the failures.  Always has, and always will be for the foreseeable future.
thats the same way I think about our intelligence agencies.  People always bash em when they fuck up but when they do right, they get zero credit.
According to the report they fail these audits more than they pass. I'll look for hard numbers.
Ive heard a story similar to this, maybe about a year ago.  They talked about the number of airports that were being infiltrated.  I think LAX failed the test.
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Well, unless you screen pax like El-Al does, then this will happen.  But if you do that, it would take you 4 hours to get on a plane.
These were more obvious than that. It took me about three hours to board last time I flew back home. If they put on more personal then they could expedite the process without sacrificing security. The problem is we would rather roll the dice than pay 4 more bucks for airfare.
Yes but the checkpoint is pointless really.  You have a ramp worker who makes 9 bucks an hour maybe.  If I wanted to get something on an airplane, that would be my first choice.  Bribe his ass.  Or just get someone in my terrorist group to get a job at the airport.  Internal is far more serious than external.
It was pretty easy for me to get that TSA job if I wanted it.   The testing is easy.  The only tricky part to it is when they show slides of x-rayed luggage and you had point out what you see.
Kmar
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Well, unless you screen pax like El-Al does, then this will happen.  But if you do that, it would take you 4 hours to get on a plane.
These were more obvious than that. It took me about three hours to board last time I flew back home. If they put on more personal then they could expedite the process without sacrificing security. The problem is we would rather roll the dice than pay 4 more bucks for airfare.
Yes but the checkpoint is pointless really.  You have a ramp worker who makes 9 bucks an hour maybe.  If I wanted to get something on an airplane, that would be my first choice.  Bribe his ass.  Or just get someone in my terrorist group to get a job at the airport.  Internal is far more serious than external.
Air marshalls and reinforced cockpits? These guys were on the plane and in the air.
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Ty wrote:

Didn't you know? IEDs are fine, you're just not allowed to take your nail clippers. Those things might... I dunno... cause some minor irritation or something.
well said...lol
S3v3N
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Lewis Black's rant about Airport Security is awesome. Too bad I can't find a clip about it on YouTube.
san4
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Well, unless you screen pax like El-Al does, then this will happen.  But if you do that, it would take you 4 hours to get on a plane.
These were more obvious than that. It took me about three hours to board last time I flew back home. If they put on more personal then they could expedite the process without sacrificing security. The problem is we would rather roll the dice than pay 4 more bucks for airfare.
Yes but the checkpoint is pointless really.  You have a ramp worker who makes 9 bucks an hour maybe.  If I wanted to get something on an airplane, that would be my first choice.  Bribe his ass.  Or just get someone in my terrorist group to get a job at the airport.  Internal is far more serious than external.
Yes. The goal of the checkpoint is to show how much politicians are doing about airplane security. Intrusive screening also covers people's asses when there is a hijacking. It's just a multi-billion dollar PR campaign. No one seriously thinks you can keep weapons off planes.
HurricaИe
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I almost got a job with TSA
one time i was at salt lake airport, and this one TSA agent (a lady... I think) was rather rotund but she was like bald except for this long-ass wispy ponytail

weird to say the least
I took and passed the test.  I was bout to take the physical.  But, somebody I know said they hate their job working for em and couldnt wait to find another one.  I decided not to pursue it anymore.  From what I was being told, it sounds too much like being in the army in garrison
it seems like a sucky job... carrying packages around, or touching people's packages with a wand...

Which reminds me... I had my first pat-down at that same airport on that same day. I blame my pants, the buttons on the cargo pockets that is. I had to get man-handled by some guy who obviously didn't want to be doing this, and I just lol'd. Quite the flight that was. Had a nice Frappuccino and was surprisingly not that cold in a t-shirt and jeans even though it was still early Spring in Utah. There was a guy from the Army on the flight no less, we all gave him a round of applause and wished him our thanks. Then I got to DC and it was fucking freezing.

Six degrees of separation tbh. GS is in the Army, then one thing leads to another and I'm talking about a guy who is in the Army.

On-topic: I always wondered how easy it would be to have some corruption on the inside.
Kmar
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S3v3N wrote:

Lewis Black's rant about Airport Security is awesome. Too bad I can't find a clip about it on YouTube.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index … t-security
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/104 … urity.html
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usmarine
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Well all they can do is blow up a plane or kill people.  Which is what they can do at your local mall or at a school.  Maybe hijack a school bus?  How secure is that?  Point is, while I agree it is a joke, there is no real (cost) solution.
Kmar
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Well all they can do is blow up a plane or kill people.  Which is what they can do at your local mall or at a school.  Maybe hijack a school bus?  How secure is that?  Point is, while I agree it is a joke, there is no real (cost) solution.
I had this idea awhile ago. What about installing some sort of chemical agent "knockout gas" dispenser in the passenger section of commercial airliners? Hijackers start making demands and threatening to execute passengers and.. Boom!.. lights out.

It's probably totally impractical, seeing as I have never heard it mentioned before..lol.
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