BF2S Forums Spanking

topal63 wrote:

David.P wrote:

m3thod wrote:

man i got some serious licks of my old man when i was a child.  I hate my dickhead culture.

Define culture.

Define "define."

To give a description based on observation of facts.

Stingray24 wrote:

Utilizing spanking doesn't automatically mean one is frustrated or angry.

Nope (not in every case, that's true), it's just the norm. People don't think about it (spanking) until their limits/limitations are tested. Kids have a natural way of testing and exposing the psychological/emotional/mental weaknesses of their parents. Yes they do!!!

Last edited by topal63 (2008-01-16 12:40:28)

you cant allow spanking for just a few parents. either it's legal for all parents or for none. the problem with that, I highly doubt that most parents have enough self-control to not go over the top.

topal63 wrote:

I've never spanked my kids, not because of any strange rule or choice I made, I simply have never felt enough anger that would motivate me towards being violent to my own children.

I've simply never felt the need.

I guess ideas and care predominate our home atmosphere; and it shows in my kid's behaviors and attitudes. Spanking is unnecessary unless your ill-equipped in the brain and/or emotion department(s) to deal with the psychology of children (of ignorants; of emerging/growing/changing personalities). I laugh when I think about how idiotic spanking is, and how it only becomes necessary when your limitations as a person are stressed, thoughtfulness/mindfulness gets set aside as frustration mounts (me right know--> LMAO, just thinking about!).

Wouldn't it be funny if nurses could spank a person who shows up to the emergency ward at the hospital, and gets out of line; misbehaves; when they are there for care... man, I could tell you some of things that go on in the emergency room!!! The whacked-out childish behavior is sometimes beyond belief, anyways I won't, onto the IMO:

Spanking is stupid.
Spanking is a mild form of violence, most kids can get over easily.
Violent spankings/beatings are not something kids usually get over.
Spanking is unnecessary until you think it is necessary. It is inherently an unnecessary idea, a necessity borne of internal frustration, anger, etc.
Spanking will not better a child, who suffers from an natural chemical/emotional unbalance.
Spanking will not better the naturally social altruistic leaning child.
Spanking as discipline, is an idea that belongs to those who ascribe to an ignorant narrow & archaic worldview.

Some interesting points here.  Mildly offensive, but good points.

I would comment that while you've mastered child bearing; or are like many parents who are just passive and have no idea how misbehaved your kids may be compared to others) and can talk sense to your children and have them completely simulate understanding without spanking, it is YOUR KIDS and YOU who have accomplished this and says NOTHING about other kids and their parents and their ideals, archaic or not.  Since we don't all have the exact same kids, the same exact parenting skills or psychological prowess you possess, you cannot judge as you've done. 

For my part, I've heard for years (before having children and since having them) that spanking is not the answer...talk to them, reason with them, find alternative forms of discipline, etc, etc, yada yada...  I believed them and embraced that idea..and found out it's not that easy or applicable to all.   But guess what, like you, those people who make those suggestions have no ability to realize that beyond the study group of children they've succeeded with in their "civilized" discipline, they have no clue how the thousands of other groups of children can be dealt with.  In short, each child has unique, very different forms of behavior.  Each parent has a unique understanding of discipline, some have more than others.  Each parent decides how best to discipline their own child based on knowing said child 100x more so than any psychologist or so-called child expert who got their degree in child development but has never changed diaper one or had the dinner conversation Pug describes. 

In short, spanking is an idea "that while violent in degrees" is "a tool" to discipline a child...to teach a child beyond just the force of the hand on their butt.  It can be the exclamation point to a teaching that is much needed.  But because it is not always the best tool, like others have said, it should be used sparingly.  And frankly, I can promise you that no expert, even yourself, could have better handled my 4 year old son running away from his mother into traffic while his mother was yelling his name and to STOP!  Upon grabbing that child, no degree of conversation, reasoning, toy sacrifice, time out, or other tool would have sufficed.  Not sure how you deal with your kids in life/death situations where teachings need reinforcement, but this is how my family does things...and it works excellently!

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-01-16 12:48:51)

I've seen a few parents smack their kids and the kids just laugh.

I've also seen kids build up hate towards their Dad as time went on. They usually fight back and eventually they'll be stronger and fitter than his Dad.

Stingray24 wrote:

Kids certainly are adept at testing their parents.  Fortunately my children are also incredibly loving, which makes it all worth it.  Parents of teenagers tell me "you just wait".

Word.  I have very sensitive, loving, cuddly kiddos myself and they are very respectful to their parents and other adults (not so much with each other) and I often get told how well they behave...and then I'm told those ominous words..."wait till their teens..."

But then, as new parents, we were warned about the 2's, 3's, and 4's...and that is our favorite age...because I don't have the mindset parent's have of predetermined impatience and dread.  It's the same concept most people have about marriage "it sucks, it's limiting, no more fun, etc..."  I'm happy to tell such people they're dead wrong...and that like the 2's, 3's, and 4's, marriage is what YOU make it..not what some TV show or witty commercial says it is.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Kids certainly are adept at testing their parents.  Fortunately my children are also incredibly loving, which makes it all worth it.  Parents of teenagers tell me "you just wait".

Word.  I have very sensitive, loving, cuddly kiddos myself and they are very respectful to their parents and other adults (not so much with each other) and I often get told how well they behave...and then I'm told those ominous words..."wait till their teens..."

But then, as new parents, we were warned about the 2's, 3's, and 4's...and that is our favorite age...because I don't have the mindset parent's have of predetermined impatience and dread.  It's the same concept most people have about marriage "it sucks, it's limiting, no more fun, etc..."  I'm happy to tell such people they're dead wrong...and that like the 2's, 3's, and 4's, marriage is what YOU make it..not what some TV show or witty commercial says it is.

The truth is, not all kids are sensitive, some kids just need a good spanking tbh, anyway, some of the kids in my school are just abusing their religion and strength against others, a new form of bullying.

JahManRed wrote:

Never laid a hand on my kid. No one has and he is perfectly behaved. (god help the person if they ever do)

Comes down to parents not having or giving the time to stopping and explaining to the kid what they are doing wrong. Get down to their height and look them in the eye and explain. If you stand over a kid and shout, you intimidate them and they don't take in what you are saying and carry on. If they continue to misbehave I put them in their room with no toys for about 5 minutes, then come in ask for an apology, when its given, explain why they were punished.

There is no need for spanking. It teaches kids that violence is the solution and is a fitting punishment.

And you make the good point of showing that some families can actually apply those more civilized forms of discipline and have receptive children.  Be nice if all families have that.  Shoot, i'd just be happy if all families had at least one parent that gave a schite about their kids enough to even try something..anything to teach or discipline their kids.

If anyone wants me to spank their kids, just let me know....

kptk92 wrote:

Wrong, makes kids violent

NeXuS4909 wrote:

Me my brother and my sister got the shit beat out of each other when we were little. We're all fine. My sister has 2 kids spanks them and my brother has 1 baby. They both have good paying job and none of them have ever been violent. Its the kid and how thinks is what makes them violent. Whip them more and they wont be violent :)

That's hilarious!

"Gee we got hit... so now we hit our little ones too. But, we're not physical or violent people; except to our own family members." I apologize for rephrasing but... I honestly laughed when I thought about it. My bad. Sorry

Last edited by topal63 (2008-01-16 13:24:17)

NeXuS4909 wrote:

Me my brother and my sister got the shit beat out of each other when we were little. We're all fine. My sister has 2 kids spanks them and my brother has 1 baby. They both have good paying job and none of them have ever been violent. Its the kid and how thinks is what makes them violent. Whip them more and they wont be violent

Your sister was hit as a kid and now she's hitting her own kids.
Do I see a connection here? Or is hitting children not considered violence?