Brasso
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+1,549|6849

For all of you who compete in TWL and CAL, what exactly does the Pam4 mod change?

I played with it a little today, and I noticed there were no GLs, and the only 1st tier perk was Bandolier.  Was I playing with the wrong Pam4?  Because a clanmate says that everything is the same.

Looked around on the internet for a definitive list of changes, couldn't find it.

If anyone can tell me what's changed, that'd be great.  If you have a definitive list, that's even better.

Thanks!
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nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6542|New Haven, CT
PAM4 lets the server runner choose which perks to disable.
Brasso
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+1,549|6849

nukchebi0 wrote:

PAM4 lets the server runner choose which perks to disable.
Oh.  Seriously?

Then what are the official TWL rules?
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ig
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+1,199|6741

haffeysucks wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

PAM4 lets the server runner choose which perks to disable.
Oh.  Seriously?

Then what are the official TWL rules?
http://www.teamwarfare.com
Brasso
member
+1,549|6849

ig wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

PAM4 lets the server runner choose which perks to disable.
Oh.  Seriously?

Then what are the official TWL rules?
http://www.teamwarfare.com
As if I didn't go there already.  I meant what perks they disable, allowed weapons, etc.
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TrashBlinD
french canadians suck
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HaawwK
Member
+31|6204|Bolton
you can chose any weapon apart from P90, not sure what you americans play with but im geussing you get 3 perks out of these -> bandoiler, stopping power, fast hands, extreme conditioning, iron lungs, deep impact
Brasso
member
+1,549|6849

TrashBlinD wrote:

http://www.teamwarfare.com/rules.asp?set=Call+of+Duty+4%3A+NA+Ladder+Rules
I already looked there...it's pretty obvious I checked the official site first.

HaawwK wrote:

you can chose any weapon apart from P90, not sure what you americans play with but im geussing you get 3 perks out of these -> bandoiler, stopping power, fast hands, extreme conditioning, iron lungs, deep impact
Great, thanks for actually replying with something useful. +1.
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Defiance
Member
+438|6889

I can not believe that CAL would use this mod. TWL, maybe. If CAL, that's bullshit.

They take away a weapon, a lot of perks and vehicles (rumor?) because a bunch of fucking scrubs whine their heads off.

Now it really a souped-up CS.

I've been more-or-less casually gaming for the past few months and considered starting competitive play with CoD4. Fuck that if they're taking away the things that make this game different from every other generic shooter.
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6682|meh-land

Defiance wrote:

I can not believe that CAL would use this mod. TWL, maybe. If CAL, that's bullshit.

They take away a weapon, a lot of perks and vehicles (rumor?) because a bunch of fucking scrubs whine their heads off.

Now it really a souped-up CS.

I've been more-or-less casually gaming for the past few months and considered starting competitive play with CoD4. Fuck that if they're taking away the things that make this game different from every other generic shooter.
there are a couple of perks and guns that are far too noobish to be used in competition

although they could let it sit in there and any team that uses the noobish weapons/perks would simply be forced out because of hostility from the community
CrazeD
Member
+368|6891|Maine

haffeysucks wrote:

TrashBlinD wrote:

http://www.teamwarfare.com/rules.asp?set=Call+of+Duty+4%3A+NA+Ladder+Rules
I already looked there...it's pretty obvious I checked the official site first.
Apparently not, because it tells you which perks are allowed.

CoD 4: NA - Stock - 6v6 Team Deathmatch Ladder Overview
-Perk 1
C4 x 2: On
Special Grenades x 3: On
RPG-7 x 2: On
Claymore X 2: On
Frag x 3: On
Bandolier: On
Bomb Squad: On

-Perk 2
Stopping Power: On
Juggernaut: On
Sleight of Hand: On
Double Tap: On
UAV Jammer: On
Sonic Boom: On

-Perk 3
Extreme Conditioning: On
Steady Aim: On
Last Stand: On
Martyrdom: On
Deep Impact: On
Iron Lungs: On
Dead Silence: On
Eavesdrop: On

-Attachments
Silencer: On
Red Dot: On
HandGrip: On
ACOG: On
203: On

-HardPoints
UAV: On
Air Strike: On
Helicopter: On

CoD 4: NA - Modified - 6v6 Team Deathmatch Ladder Overview

-Perk 1
C4 x 2: Off
Special Grenades x 3: On
RPG-7 x 2: Off
Claymore X 2: Off
Frag x 3: On
Bandolier: Off
Bomb Squad: Off

-Perk 2
Stopping Power: On
Juggernaut: On
Sleight of Hand: On
Double Tap: On
UAV Jammer: On
Sonic Boom: On

-Perk 3
Extreme Conditioning: On
Steady Aim: On
Last Stand: On
Martyrdom: Off
Deep Impact: On
Iron Lungs: On
Dead Silence: On
Eavesdrop: Off

-Attachments
Silencer: On
Red Dot: On
HandGrip: On
ACOG: On
203: Off

-HardPoints
UAV: On
Air Strike: Off
Etc etc...

Basically all the mod does is force you to select your guns/perks at the beginning of the round. And of course, the guns/attachments/perks are all limited to the ruleset. You can easily change what ruleset you use with rcon commands.

I haven't played with Pam4 yet, but I've played with DAMN mod, and with that you have to hit ready at the beginning of the round. Pam4 probably does that too.

After playing scrims with HC and everything goes, it's much more fun to play with limited things.

Last edited by CrazeD (2008-01-12 02:06:50)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6985|UK

nukchebi0 wrote:

PAM4 lets the server runner choose which perks to disable.
So basically its a tool for ppl that cant do config files? Coz my clan set up a pistol server with one class with set perks, just using config files.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-01-12 02:36:03)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6985|UK

Defiance wrote:

I can not believe that CAL would use this mod. TWL, maybe. If CAL, that's bullshit.

They take away a weapon, a lot of perks and vehicles (rumor?) because a bunch of fucking scrubs whine their heads off.

Now it really a souped-up CS.

I've been more-or-less casually gaming for the past few months and considered starting competitive play with CoD4. Fuck that if they're taking away the things that make this game different from every other generic shooter.
Join a dl clan, atm its good old fashioned CoD4. Only a few rules, like 1 sniper per team and 2 noobtubes per team.

Blehm98 wrote:

Defiance wrote:

I can not believe that CAL would use this mod. TWL, maybe. If CAL, that's bullshit.

They take away a weapon, a lot of perks and vehicles (rumor?) because a bunch of fucking scrubs whine their heads off.

Now it really a souped-up CS.

I've been more-or-less casually gaming for the past few months and considered starting competitive play with CoD4. Fuck that if they're taking away the things that make this game different from every other generic shooter.
there are a couple of perks and guns that are far too noobish to be used in competition

although they could let it sit in there and any team that uses the noobish weapons/perks would simply be forced out because of hostility from the community
correction, getting killed by those perks is far too noobish.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-01-12 02:34:13)

chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7066|"Frisco"

I would LOVE to not be constantly worried about f'ing airstrikes and choppers and 203's from across forever.

Anyway to find these servers?
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6985|UK
load up under mods, mod warefare

thats where u will find all the servers will changed content, like guns etc.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-01-12 02:36:59)

CrazeD
Member
+368|6891|Maine

chuyskywalker wrote:

I would LOVE to not be constantly worried about f'ing airstrikes and choppers and 203's from across forever.

Anyway to find these servers?
Yeah, the Pam4 mod can also be used for pub.

EDIT:

Vilham wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

PAM4 lets the server runner choose which perks to disable.
So basically its a tool for ppl that cant do config files? Coz my clan set up a pistol server with one class with set perks, just using config files.
Err, no... It is a mod that is used for consistency in matches, as well as easy to use. Who's gonna want to manually edit files every time they want to change the ruleset (for different ladders) when all they have to do is type a rcon command?

Last edited by CrazeD (2008-01-12 02:56:14)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6985|UK

CrazeD wrote:

chuyskywalker wrote:

I would LOVE to not be constantly worried about f'ing airstrikes and choppers and 203's from across forever.

Anyway to find these servers?
Yeah, the Pam4 mod can also be used for pub.

EDIT:

Vilham wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

PAM4 lets the server runner choose which perks to disable.
So basically its a tool for ppl that cant do config files? Coz my clan set up a pistol server with one class with set perks, just using config files.
Err, no... It is a mod that is used for consistency in matches, as well as easy to use. Who's gonna want to manually edit files every time they want to change the ruleset (for different ladders) when all they have to do is type a rcon command?
You realise u can just save the config files. Some where else and then swap them out. Which is as easy and quick as typing an rcon command.
CrazeD
Member
+368|6891|Maine

Vilham wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

chuyskywalker wrote:

I would LOVE to not be constantly worried about f'ing airstrikes and choppers and 203's from across forever.

Anyway to find these servers?
Yeah, the Pam4 mod can also be used for pub.

EDIT:

Vilham wrote:


So basically its a tool for ppl that cant do config files? Coz my clan set up a pistol server with one class with set perks, just using config files.
Err, no... It is a mod that is used for consistency in matches, as well as easy to use. Who's gonna want to manually edit files every time they want to change the ruleset (for different ladders) when all they have to do is type a rcon command?
You realise u can just save the config files. Some where else and then swap them out. Which is as easy and quick as typing an rcon command.
No, because then you have to leave game, and FTP it, then restart the server. Instead, I can just type /rcon set pam4_mode <mode>, and voila.

Also, as I said, the mod is for consistency, so all matches use the same settings, and with ease of use.
Johnny_Extremer
I Am McLovin!!!!
+22|6479

Defiance wrote:

I can not believe that CAL would use this mod. TWL, maybe. If CAL, that's bullshit.

They take away a weapon, a lot of perks and vehicles (rumor?) because a bunch of fucking scrubs whine their heads off.

Now it really a souped-up CS.

I've been more-or-less casually gaming for the past few months and considered starting competitive play with CoD4. Fuck that if they're taking away the things that make this game different from every other generic shooter.
CAL is using this mod. I prefered Damn mod but oh well. These mods make the game more even. I don't want to be worrying about choppers or uavs. Thats just dumb it's way more tactical when you take all that crap out. Getting rid of dumb perks was also a plus too. They only take out the auto snipers not any other gun.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6542|New Haven, CT

chuyskywalker wrote:

I would LOVE to not be constantly worried about f'ing airstrikes and choppers and 203's from across forever.

Anyway to find these servers?
Go into server filters and click yes by the mods bar.
psH
Banned
+217|6602|Sydney
only SMG is the MP5, no perks, only shotgun class can have smoke, only 1 shotgun class and sniper class per team. 6C is the only assult rifle taken out. only sniper can have the deagle. acogs removed. semi-auto shotty removed. only bolt action snipers.
Johnny_Extremer
I Am McLovin!!!!
+22|6479

Ashlite wrote:

only SMG is the MP5, no perks, only shotgun class can have smoke, only 1 shotgun class and sniper class per team. 6C is the only assult rifle taken out. only sniper can have the deagle. acogs removed. semi-auto shotty removed. only bolt action snipers.
Lol which version are you playing? Because most of that is false. You can use any Smg but only 2 people can use them. There are perks some are takin out though. Demolition or Shotgun class can have any special grenade. Of course theres only one sniper per team. G36C sucks balls why would they take it out? You can use it btw. Sniper or any class for that matter can have the deagle. You can use acog's. The semi-auto shotgun is there you can use it. And yes only bolt action rifles for sniper.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6985|UK

CrazeD wrote:

Vilham wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

chuyskywalker wrote:

I would LOVE to not be constantly worried about f'ing airstrikes and choppers and 203's from across forever.

Anyway to find these servers?
Yeah, the Pam4 mod can also be used for pub.

EDIT:
Err, no... It is a mod that is used for consistency in matches, as well as easy to use. Who's gonna want to manually edit files every time they want to change the ruleset (for different ladders) when all they have to do is type a rcon command?
You realise u can just save the config files. Some where else and then swap them out. Which is as easy and quick as typing an rcon command.
No, because then you have to leave game, and FTP it, then restart the server. Instead, I can just type /rcon set pam4_mode <mode>, and voila.

Also, as I said, the mod is for consistency, so all matches use the same settings, and with ease of use.
or you can just have 2 servers on a dedi box (something every clan should have) both off unless your playing with the settings already set up, then all you have to do is turn them on.

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