This is false.Yellowman03 wrote:
99% of the world is religious wheter it be deism or animisim.
Wrong! What you describe is more like science vs. religious fundamentalism.Freke1 wrote:
To keep to the topic of the OP I find that religion and science don't mix. They are opposits. You can't have both. You have to choose.
Religious people choose to believe in the bible and God, that he created the earth and human.
Science oriented people trust scientists when they say how the universe evolved, simple life began and resulted in the universe we have today.
Why do You trust the bible and why don't You trust the scientists? Don't You trust anything the scientists say or is it just when it collides with Your faith?
There is no reason that someone cannot be religious and believe in science.
Religious people have been adapting their beliefs to accepted scientific evidence since religion has been around, albeit often begrudgingly. They often also try to discredit scientific fact that goes against their beliefs. So yes and no
In my opinion, as scientific advances prove more and more *truths* about our environment and life in general, popular religious thought as we know it will simply die out. Perhaps new religions will form from obscure unknowns, or perhaps another religious man-god story will take priority over the historically 'en vogue' ones.
In my opinion, as scientific advances prove more and more *truths* about our environment and life in general, popular religious thought as we know it will simply die out. Perhaps new religions will form from obscure unknowns, or perhaps another religious man-god story will take priority over the historically 'en vogue' ones.
The term 'hedging one's bets comes to mind.
Religion is a great power structure for many societies, it keeps the masses in line and allows the privileged few to dictate what is right and wrong (usually as some form of interpretation of God's will). If something pops up that gravely threatens the plausibility of, what is in most cases, an already fairly outlandish religion it is no surprise to see the powers that be backtrack and attempt to accomodate and explain away these new facts.
Religion is a great power structure for many societies, it keeps the masses in line and allows the privileged few to dictate what is right and wrong (usually as some form of interpretation of God's will). If something pops up that gravely threatens the plausibility of, what is in most cases, an already fairly outlandish religion it is no surprise to see the powers that be backtrack and attempt to accomodate and explain away these new facts.
There´s popular among people in general to say I don´t believe in God but i believe in something..
Remember that Evolution has nothing to do with the Origins of Life. Evolution is the study of natural selection and adaptation to environments through genetic systems; something that most people tend to overlook or forget while instituting their blind hatred of it.
Science has mounting evidence and in some cases has already proven it's existence. Bacteria, fruit flies, constantly finding more and more genetic markers and linking fossils...
There's still no reason as to why you cannot remain religious while accepting evolution. Still, here is a pretty good list of things that aid in the understanding of evolution, and have yet to be disproved by the evolution naysayers:
1) Variation exists in all populations.
2) Some of that variation is heritable.
3) Some of that heritable variation has an influence on survival and
mate attraction.
4) Characteristics that increase the number of mating opportunities
become more common each generation, while those that interfere with
mating opportunities become less common.
5) DNA is a self-replicating molecule.
6) "Crossing over" during mitosis and meiosis alters the sequence of
base pairs on a chromosome, which results in combinations of genes
that had not previously existed.
7) Copying errors (mutations) can also arise, because the
self-replication process is of high, but not perfect fidelity. Those
mutations also increase the range of combinations of alleles in a gene
pool.
8) "Sampling errors" can occur in populations that alter the frequency
of the various alleles for reasons other than survival/reproduction
advantages.
9) Migration of individuals from one population to another can lead to
changes in the relative frequencies of alleles in the "recipient"
population.
10) Populations of a single species that live in different locations
are exposed to different environmental conditions that can "favor"
different traits. These environmental differences will cause two
populations to accumulate different suites of characteristics.
Science has mounting evidence and in some cases has already proven it's existence. Bacteria, fruit flies, constantly finding more and more genetic markers and linking fossils...
There's still no reason as to why you cannot remain religious while accepting evolution. Still, here is a pretty good list of things that aid in the understanding of evolution, and have yet to be disproved by the evolution naysayers:
1) Variation exists in all populations.
2) Some of that variation is heritable.
3) Some of that heritable variation has an influence on survival and
mate attraction.
4) Characteristics that increase the number of mating opportunities
become more common each generation, while those that interfere with
mating opportunities become less common.
5) DNA is a self-replicating molecule.
6) "Crossing over" during mitosis and meiosis alters the sequence of
base pairs on a chromosome, which results in combinations of genes
that had not previously existed.
7) Copying errors (mutations) can also arise, because the
self-replication process is of high, but not perfect fidelity. Those
mutations also increase the range of combinations of alleles in a gene
pool.
8) "Sampling errors" can occur in populations that alter the frequency
of the various alleles for reasons other than survival/reproduction
advantages.
9) Migration of individuals from one population to another can lead to
changes in the relative frequencies of alleles in the "recipient"
population.
10) Populations of a single species that live in different locations
are exposed to different environmental conditions that can "favor"
different traits. These environmental differences will cause two
populations to accumulate different suites of characteristics.
That was an excellent Post. Also, welcome back, it's been a while since you posted.Marconius wrote:
A lot of well written ideas
I found it the opposite way around with science proving evolutionPoseidon wrote:
My Bio teacher brought up an interesting point to me today. He mentioned that while he's a very religious man, he has basically instated evolution into his beliefs. Whether it happened naturally or God made it happen, he doesn't know and said he obviously never will. I had thought this for a while, but it seems more and more people are beginning to think this way.
So my question is - with Science being able to prove Evolution more and more correct by the day, will more scientific terms being proven start to shape the beliefs of christians/jews/muslims/etc worldwide?
Last edited by stef10 (2008-01-12 13:32:59)
Some much ignorance in such small a thread? How?
Smart religious people adapt. The Bible can be seen as metaphorical in many parts. Even Huckabee admits to that.Poseidon wrote:
My Bio teacher brought up an interesting point to me today. He mentioned that while he's a very religious man, he has basically instated evolution into his beliefs. Whether it happened naturally or God made it happen, he doesn't know and said he obviously never will. I had thought this for a while, but it seems more and more people are beginning to think this way.
So my question is - with Science being able to prove Evolution more and more correct by the day, will more scientific terms being proven start to shape the beliefs of christians/jews/muslims/etc worldwide?
No believer will denounce the existence of god because of the theory of evolution if that's what you're asking. The cool thing about religion is that you can accept and include new stuff in it all the time without changing it.Poseidon wrote:
So my question is - with Science being able to prove Evolution more and more correct by the day, will more scientific terms being proven start to shape the beliefs of christians/jews/muslims/etc worldwide?
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I'm religious, because I believe it's better to have a faith then none at all. And I do accept a lot of scientific ideas inyo my beliefs, I'm a fan of the intelligence design theory.
I'm not going to write a huge post about why I do believe in God and don't accept all scientific theories, because I'm outnumbered and will get flamed to hell.
You can read loads more about on the net if interested.Intelligent design is the assertion that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection." It is a modern form of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, modified to avoid specifying the nature or identity of the designer. Its primary proponents, all of whom are associated with the Discovery Institute, believe the designer to be the God of Christianity. Advocates of intelligent design claim it is a scientific theory,and seek to fundamentally redefine science to accept supernatural explanations.
I'm not going to write a huge post about why I do believe in God and don't accept all scientific theories, because I'm outnumbered and will get flamed to hell.
Last edited by justice (2008-01-13 05:06:07)
I know fucking karate
Intelligent Design is pure and utter crap and has absolutely NO science behind it at all, and all it seeks to do is to further destroy the intelligence of this country.
Just to be clear, anything that claims to be science must be able to have testable and reproduceable theories and laws. Unfortunately, god is subjective (there's no point trying to "hide" the identity of the "designer." It's god and you know it, so stop trying to act all coy), and since god is not provable nor unprovable, the entire basis of intelligent design dies right there.
ID is a fine philosophy, but never make the mistake of claiming it as science. I go so far as to say that ID is the death of modern progressive thought in society, since all it's saying is "Well, we sure don't comprehend all of this complex stuff around us and how it got here, so god must've done it."
Keep that type of thinking (or lack thereof) up and we'll soon have people going "Boy, I sure don't know how my donut tasted so good, god must have made it that way."
Intelligent Design is NOT Science, and don't be a fool enough thinking that it is.
Just to be clear, anything that claims to be science must be able to have testable and reproduceable theories and laws. Unfortunately, god is subjective (there's no point trying to "hide" the identity of the "designer." It's god and you know it, so stop trying to act all coy), and since god is not provable nor unprovable, the entire basis of intelligent design dies right there.
ID is a fine philosophy, but never make the mistake of claiming it as science. I go so far as to say that ID is the death of modern progressive thought in society, since all it's saying is "Well, we sure don't comprehend all of this complex stuff around us and how it got here, so god must've done it."
Keep that type of thinking (or lack thereof) up and we'll soon have people going "Boy, I sure don't know how my donut tasted so good, god must have made it that way."
Intelligent Design is NOT Science, and don't be a fool enough thinking that it is.
Welcome back Mr. Marc.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
That sounds like it's trying to be educational! Who would want to go there?PureFodder wrote:
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umm, no.d4rkph03n1x wrote:
it's a bit stupid to believe in God, because the concept has only been around for 2007 years.
the concept of GOD or GODS, has been around FAR longer than when Jesus Christ was believed to have been born/lived.
case and point....
http://interoz.com/egypt/gods1.htm