CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6813

David.P wrote:

Marine let me ask ya something. Why do you generalize people who disagree with you?
Wow. Irony.
Skexis
Member
+6|6716

lowing wrote:

Ummmm, Most of the white people you are referring to came to America with little or nothing in their pockets, hardly coddled. Some came as indentured servants themselves. These people came here to BUILD their own American dream. Which means they pulled their pants up from off of their fuckin' asses and went to work and build it, without blaming everyone else for  their failures.
And then, all of a sudden, 150 years didn't sound so long ago.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6668|'Murka

Marinejuana wrote:

this thread is pathetic. honestly, good luck srog. these people were indoctrinated from birth. they ignore wealth disparity, institutional racism and the cycle of poverty in favor of some fairy tale belief in the american dream. lol, lowing literally chooses to believe in a "dream" rather than the world as it plainly exists around him. at least its rich irony (lowing has a dream!!!). you are dealing with terminally stupid people here. the kind of people that use 10 people to generalize about a million. this is one of those moments where we would be tempted to also generalize. just remember that racists like these are about as rare as a young black male thats actually dangerous. forums for violent computer games are a hotbed for degenerates like these. as tempted as i am to type the volumes it might take to scratch the surface of their mental poverty, i just dont care. they probably dont get out enough to make any difference in the world anyway, and they obviously make no effort to educate themselves beyond their prejudices.
So are you saying that people who believe in equal opportunity (vice equal results) for everyone is a racist?

"terminally stupid"

"racists"

"degenerates"

"their mental poverty"

How high and freakin' mighty of you. Perhaps we should all look to you as inspiration for how to be enlightened in dealing with people with opposing views.

Or not.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6908|USA

Marinejuana wrote:

this thread is pathetic. honestly, good luck srog. these people were indoctrinated from birth. they ignore wealth disparity, institutional racism and the cycle of poverty in favor of some fairy tale belief in the american dream. lol, lowing literally chooses to believe in a "dream" rather than the world as it plainly exists around him. at least its rich irony (lowing has a dream!!!). you are dealing with terminally stupid people here. the kind of people that use 10 people to generalize about a million. this is one of those moments where we would be tempted to also generalize. just remember that racists like these are about as rare as a young black male thats actually dangerous. forums for violent computer games are a hotbed for degenerates like these. as tempted as i am to type the volumes it might take to scratch the surface of their mental poverty, i just dont care. they probably dont get out enough to make any difference in the world anyway, and they obviously make no effort to educate themselves beyond their prejudices.
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hunterofskulls, in drag


I defy you to quote me any REAL racial remarks...................and try doing it without being stoned.

ALL of my prejudices are SOCIAL in nature, NOT racial..........I hate white trash JUST as much as I hate gang bangers, and I say punish criminals, not black criminals, I hate  people that wear their pants around their fuckin asses, not BLACK people that wear their pants around their asses. I hate taxpayer tics and leeches, not black tics and leeches. etc........

In all of my posts you will never find me straying or deviating or being inconsistent with this topic. I am not a racist, I have social prejudices and that is a big difference.

Your problem with me is......................you probably fit into one of those categories.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina

lowing wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

this thread is pathetic. honestly, good luck srog. these people were indoctrinated from birth. they ignore wealth disparity, institutional racism and the cycle of poverty in favor of some fairy tale belief in the american dream. lol, lowing literally chooses to believe in a "dream" rather than the world as it plainly exists around him. at least its rich irony (lowing has a dream!!!). you are dealing with terminally stupid people here. the kind of people that use 10 people to generalize about a million. this is one of those moments where we would be tempted to also generalize. just remember that racists like these are about as rare as a young black male thats actually dangerous. forums for violent computer games are a hotbed for degenerates like these. as tempted as i am to type the volumes it might take to scratch the surface of their mental poverty, i just dont care. they probably dont get out enough to make any difference in the world anyway, and they obviously make no effort to educate themselves beyond their prejudices.
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hunterofskulls, in drag


I defy you to quote me any REAL racial remarks...................and try doing it without being stoned.

ALL of my prejudices are SOCIAL in nature, NOT racial..........I hate white trash JUST as much as I hate gang bangers, and I say punish criminals, not black criminals, I hate  people that wear their pants around their fuckin asses, not BLACK people that wear their pants around their asses. I hate taxpayer tics and leeches, not black tics and leeches. etc........

In all of my posts you will never find me straying or deviating or being inconsistent with this topic. I am not a racist, I have social prejudices and that is a big difference.

Your problem with me is......................you probably fit into one of those categories.
Hey dude, you know I do appreciate you, but try to be a bit realistic.  Some of your comments may look a bit racist.  I know your intentions are good, but you really should try to sound a bit more moderate on this subject.  You may hurt someone's feelings.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6799|Texas - Bigger than France
This has got to be one of the most racist threads in this forum.
Villain{NY}
Banned
+44|6601|New York
Racism does and will exist on this planet because quite simply we're too primitive in our mindset to realize that despite our language, cultural, religious, or color differences we're all the same, we are all human beings.

Every race of people exhibit certain traits that may not be necessarily understood by other cultures, and as we all know it's much easier to hate someones beliefs rather than trying to understand them.

I live in a somewhat large city in NY so I see racism, crime and stereotypes everyday but these attributes are by no means specific to one group.  Every race has their good and their bad it's just that we hear only about the bad because human misery is interesting to us and it sells newspapers.

I agree with everything the OP has written in the main post but as he said "they're are exceptions to every rule," and it's only a small portion of a certain group that makes a bad name for the rest.  You never hear from the good ones because they're simply to busy living their own decent lives, their careers, and their families to voice an opinion.

Mexicans:  A very hard-working and industrious group of people.  However, if they wish to be citizens in this country they need to assimilate into American culture and not the other way around.  By marching for Mexico while living here illegally only hurts their cause and infuriates natural born citizens.  It is up to them to come through the proper channels legally in order for them to gain the respect of this country.  The American people are fed up with invasion from the south and the violence will only get worse.

African Americans:  Again a very small percentage of the overall population of this group make life difficult for the whole.  "Playing the race card."  We all know for a fact that their is discrimination against people for the color of their skin, it's a fact, but when you call foul for every little thing that happens to you it devalues the statement.  My home town was devastated by an f-3 tornado in 1998, the then Governor Pataki toured the disaster zone but offered no aid to the community and people accepted it.  There were no cries of "We're not getting any aid because we're white."  We simply moved on, some moved, and we rebuilt.  African Americans are given the same opportunity as everyone else, in some cases even more so, if they fail then it's their own damn fault.
srog72
Member
+12|7013|Michigan

Pug wrote:

This has got to be one of the most racist threads in this forum.
Problems are never fixed unless you run face first into them. 

The whole point of all my posts in this thread is to offer insight from another perspective.  There is no one group of people to blame for Racism.  I don't fault people on individual basis but as a collective.  Are white people making the situation better? No.  Are black people? No?

But I want the people who post in here to see that their version isn't the only version.  And that things aren't all peachy like things may seem in their world.  Thats all.  No hostilities.
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6930|Colorado
The problem with people is they see the race instead of the individual whenever they are wronged or when someone else is wronged that they can identify with. People must learn to see the person for the true asshole he/she is & expose it. Many of the races take themselves too seriously & need to lighten up & learn to laugh at ourselves. I think that one of the reasons we haven't had a final race war is because we like to fuck each others women.
There is only one race, human & when we all reach that superior mindset there will be no more racism or race. It sickens me to think of all we could have accomplished by now instead of the constant strife we bring upon on another wasting centuries in the process.
miley
Banned
+9|6381

Marinejuana wrote:

this thread is pathetic. honestly, good luck srog. these people were indoctrinated from birth. they ignore wealth disparity, institutional racism and the cycle of poverty in favor of some fairy tale belief in the american dream. lol, lowing literally chooses to believe in a "dream" rather than the world as it plainly exists around him. at least its rich irony (lowing has a dream!!!). you are dealing with terminally stupid people here. the kind of people that use 10 people to generalize about a million. this is one of those moments where we would be tempted to also generalize. just remember that racists like these are about as rare as a young black male thats actually dangerous. forums for violent computer games are a hotbed for degenerates like these. as tempted as i am to type the volumes it might take to scratch the surface of their mental poverty, i just dont care. they probably dont get out enough to make any difference in the world anyway, and they obviously make no effort to educate themselves beyond their prejudices.
QFT ............  everything you said.


You sir have my admiration for presenting genuine intelligent arguments in the face of such collosal ignorance. Most users on this site sadly cannot see further than the end of their noses or indeed their tv sets.
David.P
Banned
+649|6531

CameronPoe wrote:

David.P wrote:

Marine let me ask ya something. Why do you generalize people who disagree with you?
Wow. Irony.
I know that i do it too, But atleast i'm upfront about it and will tell you the truth.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6973
off topic... someone karma'd me and said "leave your name next time..."

I haven't karma'd anyone in a couple of days... so it wasnt me... lol
i always leave my name...

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2008-01-11 13:43:39)

Love is the answer
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6908|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

this thread is pathetic. honestly, good luck srog. these people were indoctrinated from birth. they ignore wealth disparity, institutional racism and the cycle of poverty in favor of some fairy tale belief in the american dream. lol, lowing literally chooses to believe in a "dream" rather than the world as it plainly exists around him. at least its rich irony (lowing has a dream!!!). you are dealing with terminally stupid people here. the kind of people that use 10 people to generalize about a million. this is one of those moments where we would be tempted to also generalize. just remember that racists like these are about as rare as a young black male thats actually dangerous. forums for violent computer games are a hotbed for degenerates like these. as tempted as i am to type the volumes it might take to scratch the surface of their mental poverty, i just dont care. they probably dont get out enough to make any difference in the world anyway, and they obviously make no effort to educate themselves beyond their prejudices.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

hunterofskulls, in drag


I defy you to quote me any REAL racial remarks...................and try doing it without being stoned.

ALL of my prejudices are SOCIAL in nature, NOT racial..........I hate white trash JUST as much as I hate gang bangers, and I say punish criminals, not black criminals, I hate  people that wear their pants around their fuckin asses, not BLACK people that wear their pants around their asses. I hate taxpayer tics and leeches, not black tics and leeches. etc........

In all of my posts you will never find me straying or deviating or being inconsistent with this topic. I am not a racist, I have social prejudices and that is a big difference.

Your problem with me is......................you probably fit into one of those categories.
Hey dude, you know I do appreciate you, but try to be a bit realistic.  Some of your comments may look a bit racist.  I know your intentions are good, but you really should try to sound a bit more moderate on this subject.  You may hurt someone's feelings.
Sorry Serge, I have never posted any racial comments, only social ones and they are two different things.  I make no bones about how I feel about non-contributors to a society, ( of any race) if that hurts someones feelings and want to try and put a race spin on it, it does nothing other than prove my point.
clogar
damn ain't it great to be a laxer
+32|6213|Minnesota
some mighty pretentious people around here
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6908|USA

miley wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

this thread is pathetic. honestly, good luck srog. these people were indoctrinated from birth. they ignore wealth disparity, institutional racism and the cycle of poverty in favor of some fairy tale belief in the american dream. lol, lowing literally chooses to believe in a "dream" rather than the world as it plainly exists around him. at least its rich irony (lowing has a dream!!!). you are dealing with terminally stupid people here. the kind of people that use 10 people to generalize about a million. this is one of those moments where we would be tempted to also generalize. just remember that racists like these are about as rare as a young black male thats actually dangerous. forums for violent computer games are a hotbed for degenerates like these. as tempted as i am to type the volumes it might take to scratch the surface of their mental poverty, i just dont care. they probably dont get out enough to make any difference in the world anyway, and they obviously make no effort to educate themselves beyond their prejudices.
QFT ............  everything you said.


You sir have my admiration for presenting genuine intelligent arguments in the face of such collosal ignorance. Most users on this site sadly cannot see further than the end of their noses or indeed their tv sets.
Great, then I will ask YOU since Marinejuana refuses to answer...............Just how much do I OWE you for me being white and a YOU being black??...........and I am a racist, huh!!!
jord
Member
+2,382|6935|The North, beyond the wall.
I wouldn't throw around racist like it's going out of fashion. It's probably racial favouritism. Which lets face it, most of us have on occasion.

I don't find Black women attractive, does this make me a racist...?
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6901

jord wrote:

I wouldn't throw around racist like it's going out of fashion. It's probably racial favouritism. Which lets face it, most of us have on occasion.

I don't find Black women attractive, does this make me a racist...?
but you know you would bang an attractive woman. if she happens to be black, it wont matter.
jord
Member
+2,382|6935|The North, beyond the wall.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

jord wrote:

I wouldn't throw around racist like it's going out of fashion. It's probably racial favouritism. Which lets face it, most of us have on occasion.

I don't find Black women attractive, does this make me a racist...?
but you know you would bang an attractive woman. if she happens to be black, it wont matter.
I may, but generally speaking I'm more into White chicks. I don't know is that's discrimination or not, but it's just me...
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina

lowing wrote:

how much do I OWE you for me being white and a YOU being black?
Nothing really just respect.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6799|Texas - Bigger than France

srog72 wrote:

Pug wrote:

This has got to be one of the most racist threads in this forum.
Problems are never fixed unless you run face first into them. 

The whole point of all my posts in this thread is to offer insight from another perspective.  There is no one group of people to blame for Racism.  I don't fault people on individual basis but as a collective.  Are white people making the situation better? No.  Are black people? No?

But I want the people who post in here to see that their version isn't the only version.  And that things aren't all peachy like things may seem in their world.  Thats all.  No hostilities.
No, problems are solved by people's attitudes.

Part of the reason why the US has evolved so rapidly in terms of technology & progressive ideals has to do with incorporating the best of different cultures into everyday life.

My belief is by focusing on the differences IN ANY FASHION pretty much sucks.  So outspoken black leaders, etc, aren't dealing with racism at all...and critcizing them for doing so isn't either...

I treat everyone the same way.  I know some illegals in town - I ask them from time to time about why they don't get a green card, etc.  They're nice people.  I volunteer at the homeless shelter, and I get recognized from time to time....I'm a CPA so imagine the look on a client's face when we walk into a restaurant and bum waves me over to start telling me jokes...

You want respect in my opinion, you have to LOSE it.  So my honest opinion is this issue already is out in the open.  There's a gestalt to any society where by dividing into groups is detrimental.  I agree there are inequities that time would resolve - but focusing on the differences doesn't lead to a solution.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6993|Salt Lake City

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

jord wrote:

I wouldn't throw around racist like it's going out of fashion. It's probably racial favouritism. Which lets face it, most of us have on occasion.

I don't find Black women attractive, does this make me a racist...?
but you know you would bang an attractive woman. if she happens to be black, it wont matter.
If he says no, he lies.  I work with a black girl that I find absolutely beautiful.  If I wasn't in a relationship, I wouldn't hesitate...
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6908|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

how much do I OWE you for me being white and a YOU being black?
Nothing really just respect.
Better go back and re-read Marinejuana's posts Serge. Black people are owed something according to him and I think it is more tangible than mere respect. Funny though, when I ask how much I owe to compensate for all of their pain and suffering for their great great great great grandparents being slaves, no one wants to give me a dollar amount.

It is easy for you all to call me a racist because it is an easy solution for YOUR problems, pawn off your problems on me and my "racism". Convenient for you, except I have never made a racist statement. I have admitted to my social prejudices but some how you interpret that as being racist. This is YOUR ignorance, and your problem. Unless of course you can show me where "LAZY", "IRRESPONSIBLE" and "DISRESPECTFUL" denotes a race. Unless you can do that, then you are talking out of your asses, because these are all the attribute I loath. You make it too convenient for yourselves to simply call me a racist and pat yourselves on your backs as victors, when you should be honest to yourselves about what I have ACTUALLY POSTED, and try to debunk it.

ESPECIALLY you Serge, you have read enough of my posts in various threads to know that I am not inconsistent about my beliefs. I have never ever made any comments stating that the white race is superior to any other (  the definition of racism ). My opinions are based on social issues NOT racial issues. Serge you know this.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6908|USA

jord wrote:

I wouldn't throw around racist like it's going out of fashion. It's probably racial favouritism. Which lets face it, most of us have on occasion.

I don't find Black women attractive, does this make me a racist...?
Like I have said time and time again, I have no racial prejudices, I have social prejudices. To deny that would be a lie.


If Powell ran for president as a republican or indepentent he would have had my vote, I also would have voted for Rice, If Obama were something other than a liberal I would have voted for him. I do not care about race. I care about efforts to contribute to a society, and do not give 2 shits for anyone that only care what they can get out of one.
miley
Banned
+9|6381

lowing wrote:

miley wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

this thread is pathetic. honestly, good luck srog. these people were indoctrinated from birth. they ignore wealth disparity, institutional racism and the cycle of poverty in favor of some fairy tale belief in the american dream. lol, lowing literally chooses to believe in a "dream" rather than the world as it plainly exists around him. at least its rich irony (lowing has a dream!!!). you are dealing with terminally stupid people here. the kind of people that use 10 people to generalize about a million. this is one of those moments where we would be tempted to also generalize. just remember that racists like these are about as rare as a young black male thats actually dangerous. forums for violent computer games are a hotbed for degenerates like these. as tempted as i am to type the volumes it might take to scratch the surface of their mental poverty, i just dont care. they probably dont get out enough to make any difference in the world anyway, and they obviously make no effort to educate themselves beyond their prejudices.
QFT ............  everything you said.


You sir have my admiration for presenting genuine intelligent arguments in the face of such collosal ignorance. Most users on this site sadly cannot see further than the end of their noses or indeed their tv sets.
Great, then I will ask YOU since Marinejuana refuses to answer...............Just how much do I OWE you for me being white and a YOU being black??...........and I am a racist, huh!!!
1. Why would you asssume i'm black? (which i'm not btw)

2. I do believe that your problem (if i can call it that) is you see the world and society in general in far too simplistic terms,everything is black or white(no pun intended), right or wrong or good and bad. This has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions and if it kept happening to me I might just stop and think ............. you know what maybe they're right.

3.  as far as reparations go I believe its just something thats open for discussion on both sides, and not something that can be demanded or refused depending on which side of the fence you sit. As has been pointed out it will never happen while a rich white minority control most of the planets wealth and resources. Money in large sums is very rarely given away without an ulterior motive.

4.How much do you owe me for being black/white blah blah? you yourself ...... nothing, you're really not that important. Whats important though is your willingness to only want your perspective pushed on people, you cannot debate a subject and gain some degree of enlightenment if all your after is for someone to say your're right i'm wrong.

Last edited by miley (2008-01-12 01:01:31)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

how much do I OWE you for me being white and a YOU being black?
Nothing really just respect.
Better go back and re-read Marinejuana's posts Serge. Black people are owed something according to him and I think it is more tangible than mere respect. Funny though, when I ask how much I owe to compensate for all of their pain and suffering for their great great great great grandparents being slaves, no one wants to give me a dollar amount.

It is easy for you all to call me a racist because it is an easy solution for YOUR problems, pawn off your problems on me and my "racism". Convenient for you, except I have never made a racist statement. I have admitted to my social prejudices but some how you interpret that as being racist. This is YOUR ignorance, and your problem. Unless of course you can show me where "LAZY", "IRRESPONSIBLE" and "DISRESPECTFUL" denotes a race. Unless you can do that, then you are talking out of your asses, because these are all the attribute I loath. You make it too convenient for yourselves to simply call me a racist and pat yourselves on your backs as victors, when you should be honest to yourselves about what I have ACTUALLY POSTED, and try to debunk it.

ESPECIALLY you Serge, you have read enough of my posts in various threads to know that I am not inconsistent about my beliefs. I have never ever made any comments stating that the white race is superior to any other (  the definition of racism ). My opinions are based on social issues NOT racial issues. Serge you know this.
I didn't call you a racist dude.  I said that some of your comments may seem a bit racist, but I know this is not your intention.  You should talk in a more moderate way, that's all buddy.

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