Are you insinuating that the Republicans are the true racists of the US?The_Mac wrote:
Huh? Obama hasn't beaten anybody yet, he's gotten by as the Democrat #1 in Iowa, what does that mean?sergeriver wrote:
Obama showed he can defeat a white woman and a white guy in the Iowa caucuses,
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Could Obama Lose Against a White Guy coz of Racism?
| Yes | 65% | 65% - 96 | ||||
| No | 34% | 34% - 51 | ||||
| Total: 147 | ||||||
Well, at least we can agree on that part....lowing wrote:
They want to control or curtail even the money or choices that they do not get in taxes. That is the real problemTurquoise wrote:
...and since I know the government is going to spend my money either way, I'd rather they spend it here.lowing wrote:
then you stand for the big govt. that wants to control your finances, your retirement, your education, and your health insurance. Enjoy. I choose to keep my personal affairs out of the clutches of my socialist masters.
yup liberal ideals is just that, irresponsible thinking. If you can blame society for YOUR failures, why the hell not?sergeriver wrote:
Democrats = lack of responsibility? All Democrats lack responsibility? I dunno.lowing wrote:
nope actually the democrat voters are smart: only a sucker would take responsibility for his own life when he could pawn it off on big govt. to do it for him.sergeriver wrote:
The less intelligent voters vote Democrats? I'm just asking.
That's like some mindless mantra to you, ain't it?The_Mac wrote:
Huh? Obama hasn't beaten anybody yet, he's gotten by as the Democrat #1 in Iowa, what does that mean?sergeriver wrote:
Obama showed he can defeat a white woman and a white guy in the Iowa caucuses,Probably. Democrats feel they owe a debt to society. A debt they want to pay off with your money.sergeriver wrote:
Democrats = lack of responsibility? All Democrats lack responsibility? I dunno.lowing wrote:
nope actually the democrat voters are smart: only a sucker would take responsibility for his own life when he could pawn it off on big govt. to do it for him.
Go figure. Democrats new party of the Rich.
@Lowing demonstrates once again he doesn't know the meaning of the word 'liberalism'. So he makes up his own.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Its just Iowa
There is still the southern states
and last time i heard they are not to friendly to black people
There is still the southern states
and last time i heard they are not to friendly to black people
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Havent read all comments.
Maybe he will win just because he is black? Think about it, people feel guilyt not voting him.
Personaly i got no opinion about it, just it's someone with a brain this time.
Maybe he will win just because he is black? Think about it, people feel guilyt not voting him.
Personaly i got no opinion about it, just it's someone with a brain this time.
He's spot on with the current use of the term. Liberalism has moved from the classic idea, which it seems you adhere to, to the idea of big government controlling nearly every aspect of one's life, ensuring citizens are dependent upon the government. It's also referred to as "progressive" somewhat now because of the negative connotation applied to the term "liberal".Spark wrote:
@Lowing demonstrates once again he doesn't know the meaning of the word 'liberalism'. So he makes up his own.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I'm Liberal and I take responsibility for myself. Labels don't work this way. What you fail to see is that some people want to take responsibility for those in need. We had this debate before and it was like talking two different languages, and I don't mean English and Spanish.lowing wrote:
yup liberal ideals is just that, irresponsible thinking. If you can blame society for YOUR failures, why the hell not?sergeriver wrote:
Democrats = lack of responsibility? All Democrats lack responsibility? I dunno.lowing wrote:
nope actually the democrat voters are smart: only a sucker would take responsibility for his own life when he could pawn it off on big govt. to do it for him.
No, your notion of Liberalism is close to Communism, and it's wrong. A governemnt taking care of social issues is not a big government controlling every aspect of your life. There must be something between Communism and "hey homeless fuck you".FEOS wrote:
He's spot on with the current use of the term. Liberalism has moved from the classic idea, which it seems you adhere to, to the idea of big government controlling nearly every aspect of one's life, ensuring citizens are dependent upon the government. It's also referred to as "progressive" somewhat now because of the negative connotation applied to the term "liberal".Spark wrote:
@Lowing demonstrates once again he doesn't know the meaning of the word 'liberalism'. So he makes up his own.
Serge - in the US 'left' and 'right' simply mean 'right' and 'even more right'. Their use of terms such as 'liberal' is way off the globally understood definition.sergeriver wrote:
No, your notion of Liberalism is close to Communism, and it's wrong. A governemnt taking care of social issues is not a big government controlling every aspect of your life. There must be something between Communism and "hey homeless fuck you".FEOS wrote:
He's spot on with the current use of the term. Liberalism has moved from the classic idea, which it seems you adhere to, to the idea of big government controlling nearly every aspect of one's life, ensuring citizens are dependent upon the government. It's also referred to as "progressive" somewhat now because of the negative connotation applied to the term "liberal".Spark wrote:
@Lowing demonstrates once again he doesn't know the meaning of the word 'liberalism'. So he makes up his own.
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I'm not saying I agree with the use of the term in this way. I'm simply telling you where lowing was coming from with his use of the term in this country.sergeriver wrote:
No, your notion of Liberalism is close to Communism, and it's wrong. A governemnt taking care of social issues is not a big government controlling every aspect of your life. There must be something between Communism and "hey homeless fuck you".FEOS wrote:
He's spot on with the current use of the term. Liberalism has moved from the classic idea, which it seems you adhere to, to the idea of big government controlling nearly every aspect of one's life, ensuring citizens are dependent upon the government. It's also referred to as "progressive" somewhat now because of the negative connotation applied to the term "liberal".Spark wrote:
@Lowing demonstrates once again he doesn't know the meaning of the word 'liberalism'. So he makes up his own.
And Cam: While I'm sure it would be convenient for you for your statement to be true, it simply is not (at least the first part, anyway).
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
it will happen no metter what the pollls said
Maybe we could say the Republicans and Dems are both in the right, the Republicans happen to be more conservative.CameronPoe wrote:
Serge - in the US 'left' and 'right' simply mean 'right' and 'even more right'. Their use of terms such as 'liberal' is way off the globally understood definition.sergeriver wrote:
No, your notion of Liberalism is close to Communism, and it's wrong. A governemnt taking care of social issues is not a big government controlling every aspect of your life. There must be something between Communism and "hey homeless fuck you".FEOS wrote:
He's spot on with the current use of the term. Liberalism has moved from the classic idea, which it seems you adhere to, to the idea of big government controlling nearly every aspect of one's life, ensuring citizens are dependent upon the government. It's also referred to as "progressive" somewhat now because of the negative connotation applied to the term "liberal".
I know where Lowing was coming from, I just don't share his viewpoint.FEOS wrote:
I'm not saying I agree with the use of the term in this way. I'm simply telling you where lowing was coming from with his use of the term in this country.sergeriver wrote:
No, your notion of Liberalism is close to Communism, and it's wrong. A governemnt taking care of social issues is not a big government controlling every aspect of your life. There must be something between Communism and "hey homeless fuck you".FEOS wrote:
He's spot on with the current use of the term. Liberalism has moved from the classic idea, which it seems you adhere to, to the idea of big government controlling nearly every aspect of one's life, ensuring citizens are dependent upon the government. It's also referred to as "progressive" somewhat now because of the negative connotation applied to the term "liberal".
And Cam: While I'm sure it would be convenient for you for your statement to be true, it simply is not (at least the first part, anyway).
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In America the term 'liberal' seems to be synonymous with left wing, which is patent nonsense. Liberalism is about freedom of thought and expression, having a live and let live attitude and about being pragmatic and egalitarian (not necessarily in an economic sense).FEOS wrote:
I'm not saying I agree with the use of the term in this way. I'm simply telling you where lowing was coming from with his use of the term in this country.
And Cam: While I'm sure it would be convenient for you for your statement to be true, it simply is not (at least the first part, anyway).
I know that. However, it's a label that the left wing in the US put upon themselves quite some time ago...and our (US's) current use of the term is the result.
Just like fag in the UK means something completely different than it does in the US. Linguistic and vernacular differences. Not something to get all worked up about.
Just like fag in the UK means something completely different than it does in the US. Linguistic and vernacular differences. Not something to get all worked up about.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
What does fag mean in the US? In Ireland it means homosexual.FEOS wrote:
I know that. However, it's a label that the left wing in the US put upon themselves quite some time ago...and our (US's) current use of the term is the result.
Just like fag in the UK means something completely different than it does in the US. Linguistic and vernacular differences. Not something to get all worked up about.
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It means homosexual here too. But in Britain, it means cigarette, doesn't it?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
It means both over there.FEOS wrote:
It means homosexual here too. But in Britain, it means cigarette, doesn't it?
no. more people will vote for him just because he's black than will people vote against him.
I voted no ( maybe because I hope america has left that behind ), but I am surprised and shocked how many of you think that it might happen.
Obama beat Hillary even with the women's vote, her core voter base. And he inspires people, whereas Hillary just talks. Edwards is out of it, and if Hillary loses to Obama again today, she'd better drop out of it, too.
To me, Obama ist the best candidate the democrats can muster. If he gets the nomination, his chances of winning the white house willl depend on who the republicans can put against him. Personally, in spite of their early success, I still think that Huckabee and Romney lack national electability. McCain would be my favourite republican, as I consider him a decent, honest person. And he has a lot of experience.
As has been said before, I would agree that Obama's major problem could be that he is too much change. Too young, black, little experience ( compared to Hillary and most republican candidates ). Are americans ready for that much change ?
I guess we will know on the 5th of february, when super duper mega hyper uber tuesday is over. 24 states will be voting, and we will get a voter base diverse enough to tell which candidate has most potential nationwide.
Obama beat Hillary even with the women's vote, her core voter base. And he inspires people, whereas Hillary just talks. Edwards is out of it, and if Hillary loses to Obama again today, she'd better drop out of it, too.
To me, Obama ist the best candidate the democrats can muster. If he gets the nomination, his chances of winning the white house willl depend on who the republicans can put against him. Personally, in spite of their early success, I still think that Huckabee and Romney lack national electability. McCain would be my favourite republican, as I consider him a decent, honest person. And he has a lot of experience.
As has been said before, I would agree that Obama's major problem could be that he is too much change. Too young, black, little experience ( compared to Hillary and most republican candidates ). Are americans ready for that much change ?
I guess we will know on the 5th of february, when super duper mega hyper uber tuesday is over. 24 states will be voting, and we will get a voter base diverse enough to tell which candidate has most potential nationwide.
I don't know dude, I would not smoke a fag.CameronPoe wrote:
It means both over there.FEOS wrote:
It means homosexual here too. But in Britain, it means cigarette, doesn't it?
Today makes all of two primaries/caucuses. That means there are still 48 more to go. So saying that a candidate should drop out if they lose today is just silly. While I'm no Hillary fan, I don't believe anyone should buy in to the media's desire to name the candidate and general election winner when only 4% of the primaries have been done. Once "tsunami tuesday" is finished, then people can start talking about who's in and who's out.
BL: Nobody's "out of it" yet.
As to the notion that America is past the racial thing: I don't think the majority of US posters here feel race makes a difference to them personally...but there's 330 million people here (give or take). A not insignificant portion of them have negative attitudes about someone based solely on their race, ethnicity, etc. It's just a fact of life, and it's not unique to the US.
Interesting side note: My wife, the diehard liberal, is planning to vote in the Republican primary in Texas (it's an open primary) because she thinks McCain is the best candidate. I was floored.
BL: Nobody's "out of it" yet.
As to the notion that America is past the racial thing: I don't think the majority of US posters here feel race makes a difference to them personally...but there's 330 million people here (give or take). A not insignificant portion of them have negative attitudes about someone based solely on their race, ethnicity, etc. It's just a fact of life, and it's not unique to the US.
Interesting side note: My wife, the diehard liberal, is planning to vote in the Republican primary in Texas (it's an open primary) because she thinks McCain is the best candidate. I was floored.
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
well, it takes a lot of guts to overcome one's party affiliation and vote for the best candidate. congrats.FEOS wrote:
Today makes all of two primaries/caucuses. That means there are still 48 more to go. So saying that a candidate should drop out if they lose today is just silly. While I'm no Hillary fan, I don't believe anyone should buy in to the media's desire to name the candidate and general election winner when only 4% of the primaries have been done. Once "tsunami tuesday" is finished, then people can start talking about who's in and who's out.
BL: Nobody's "out of it" yet.
As to the notion that America is past the racial thing: I don't think the majority of US posters here feel race makes a difference to them personally...but there's 330 million people here (give or take). A not insignificant portion of them have negative attitudes about someone based solely on their race, ethnicity, etc. It's just a fact of life, and it's not unique to the US.
Interesting side note: My wife, the diehard liberal, is planning to vote in the Republican primary in Texas (it's an open primary) because she thinks McCain is the best candidate. I was floored.
But how does she put up living with a conservative like you ?
I'm handsome, funny, intelligent...and humble. Quite a catch.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular