Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
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It is no secret that the U.S. Dollar has been not-so-gracefully falling from grace in the last couple of months. First there was the steady decline of the our lead over the euro. Since the beginning of just this year, the dollar has declined 11% against the euro, currently sitting at $1.32 for every 1 euro.

Then came a shocker: The US dollar, for the first time in nearly two decades, fell to equality with the Canadian dollar and was even overtaken for a short time.

Now comes news that Iran, the second largest oil producer in OPEC, as completely stopped selling oil for US dollars. This is followed by reports that the Saudi's may soon follow.

Has the dollars reign as the international currency standard come to an end? If so, what will fill the void?
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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hmm seems like it's sticking in between 1.32 - 1.38 € per 1 $, Iran is just trying to be an asshole all the time and well I hope the dollar won't decline any further (btw I heard Iran declared the dollar worthless quite some time ago)

We can handle the pressure so far but if China abandons the dollar we're in deep, deep shit.
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Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
+28|6815
I thought about the Iran thing.

It seems like we're stuck in political saber rattling right now, but would they really risk their economic position just to "stick it to the man?" I don't think Iran would make this move unless it proved economically sound. Although I am sure it makes them just plain giddy that they're pouring salt into our monetary wounds.
CameronPoe
Member
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Watch out - I started a topic like this recently and was told that I was being 'anti-American'.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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Protecus wrote:

I thought about the Iran thing.

It seems like we're stuck in political saber rattling right now, but would they really risk their economic position just to "stick it to the man?" I don't think Iran would make this move unless it proved economically sound. Although I am sure it makes them just plain giddy that they're pouring salt into our monetary wounds.
It's only beneficial for them, they put the rest of the world on pressure by doing this, and making alot of countries angry ofcourse. The european market isn't prepared for overloading of states wanting to change their trading currency to euros, after all america has been the big world market for the past 90 years.

China abandoning dollar = biggest economical world crisis we've ever been in so far, bigger than any of them before.
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dill13
Member
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Protecus wrote:

I thought about the Iran thing.

It seems like we're stuck in political saber rattling right now, but would they really risk their economic position just to "stick it to the man?" I don't think Iran would make this move unless it proved economically sound. Although I am sure it makes them just plain giddy that they're pouring salt into our monetary wounds.
Most of their trading besides oil is probably done with European countries so it makes sense to use their currency for trading and with the instability of the us dollar its probably safer trading with it.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6914|London, England
What benifits would it be for EU countries if loads of other countries switched to the Euro? I could care less if the Dollar gets worse if they switch to the Euro and it benefits the EU's Economy. Switch it to the Euro for trading I say.

Yeah, I know the UK doesn't use the Euro.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-12-08 13:10:11)

jord
Member
+2,382|6971|The North, beyond the wall.

Mekstizzle wrote:

What benifits would it be for EU countries if loads of other countries switched to the Euro? I could care less if the Dollar gets worse if they switch to the Euro and it benefits the EU's Economy. Switch it to the Euro for trading I say.

Yeah, I know the UK doesn't use the Euro.
...Not like you. You're usually anti mainland Euro.
David.P
Banned
+649|6567

CameronPoe wrote:

Watch out - I started a topic like this recently and was told that I was being 'anti-American'.
Because sometimes you find it possible to fit in more "America is Evil" sentiment in one post, Then AQ does in their videos.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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Mekstizzle wrote:

What benifits would it be for EU countries if loads of other countries switched to the Euro? I could care less if the Dollar gets worse if they switch to the Euro and it benefits the EU's Economy. Switch it to the Euro for trading I say.

Yeah, I know the UK doesn't use the Euro.
There would be no benefits, if they do it we get into an economical downfall, hard. Like I stated on my previous post.
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6914|London, England

jord wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

What benifits would it be for EU countries if loads of other countries switched to the Euro? I could care less if the Dollar gets worse if they switch to the Euro and it benefits the EU's Economy. Switch it to the Euro for trading I say.

Yeah, I know the UK doesn't use the Euro.
...Not like you. You're usually anti mainland Euro.
True. I just think that it would be interesting if the US wasn't so big in the world. I hate how one sided things are. I especially hate how right now the UK is the US's bitch, fuck that. I may agree with some of the US's actions, but I still hate the position the UK is in.

dayarath wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

What benifits would it be for EU countries if loads of other countries switched to the Euro? I could care less if the Dollar gets worse if they switch to the Euro and it benefits the EU's Economy. Switch it to the Euro for trading I say.

Yeah, I know the UK doesn't use the Euro.
There would be no benefits, if they do it we get into an economical downfall, hard. Like I stated on my previous post.
Yeah, but that would just be at the start. And it's not like it would happen suddenly, it would happen slowly. I dunno, but if there's no benefits. Why is the US so concerned about this happening, and why is it affecting the US Economy so much. Of course there's benefits...

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Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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Mekstizzle wrote:

jord wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

What benifits would it be for EU countries if loads of other countries switched to the Euro? I could care less if the Dollar gets worse if they switch to the Euro and it benefits the EU's Economy. Switch it to the Euro for trading I say.

Yeah, I know the UK doesn't use the Euro.
...Not like you. You're usually anti mainland Euro.
True. I just think that it would be interesting if the US wasn't so big in the world. I hate how one sided things are. I especially hate how right now the UK is the US's bitch, fuck that.

dayarath wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

What benifits would it be for EU countries if loads of other countries switched to the Euro? I could care less if the Dollar gets worse if they switch to the Euro and it benefits the EU's Economy. Switch it to the Euro for trading I say.

Yeah, I know the UK doesn't use the Euro.
There would be no benefits, if they do it we get into an economical downfall, hard. Like I stated on my previous post.
Yeah, but that would just be at the start. And it's not like it would happen suddenly, it would happen slowly. I dunno, but if there's no benefits. Why is the US so concerned about this happening, and why is it affecting the US Economy so much. Of course there's benefits...
It's affecting it too much, heard on our economical news that if only china, or a big number of small countries would change to euro simultaneously the 1929 crisis would be child's play.

In other words we'd be in VERY DEEP shit.

I mean America has the market of the world going on, they run the show for the past 90 years, our market is alot smaller, and we're not experienced with this stuff to suddenly get this much pressure, also going over all of the products and changing them from $ to € is a pain in the ass, would take way too long, prices might go wrong just.. too much shit!

Last edited by dayarath (2007-12-08 13:36:49)

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jord
Member
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Mekstizzle wrote:

True. I just think that it would be interesting if the US wasn't so big in the world. I hate how one sided things are. I especially hate how right now the UK is the US's bitch, fuck that. I may agree with some of the US's actions, but I still hate the position the UK is in.
Golden Brown is working on it. Cya later Basra. Well actually that's bad for me, but good for the country.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6914|London, England

jord wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

True. I just think that it would be interesting if the US wasn't so big in the world. I hate how one sided things are. I especially hate how right now the UK is the US's bitch, fuck that. I may agree with some of the US's actions, but I still hate the position the UK is in.
Golden Brown is working on it. Cya later Basra. Well actually that's bad for me, but good for the country.
How's leaving Basra bad for you?

I agree with the UK being in Afghanistan though.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6908|do not disturb

One major reason why it is losing value is that the Fed is printing money out of thin air, throwing more dollars in circulation and thus diluting the value of the dollar. Plus, the lack of confidence in the dollar means less people are investing in it and eventually foreign investors will liquidate what they have invested.

The dollar is going to take a major dive. If you have lots of debt, you will be screwed. I say pay off your debts, and get your hand on some physical gold.

Last edited by Phrozenbot (2007-12-08 13:42:22)

jord
Member
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Mekstizzle wrote:

jord wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

True. I just think that it would be interesting if the US wasn't so big in the world. I hate how one sided things are. I especially hate how right now the UK is the US's bitch, fuck that. I may agree with some of the US's actions, but I still hate the position the UK is in.
Golden Brown is working on it. Cya later Basra. Well actually that's bad for me, but good for the country.
How's leaving Basra bad for you?

I agree with the UK being in Afghanistan though.
Uncle is in one of those security agencies out there. Without the presence of a proper army, I suspect he's a lot more vulnerable.
usmarine
Banned
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Why was the US the measuring stick anyway?  We are such a young country compared to most.
mikkel
Member
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Why was the US the measuring stick anyway?  We are such a young country compared to most.
Expansionist and geographically isolated economies with no wars at home and a lot of money to be made off of the ones that are abroad, combined with rich, unexploited natural resources is usually a pretty good breeding ground for a strong economy. It's no wonder that the US economy was the benchmark of stability for a long time, but its falling from grace is a logical consequence of globalisation and a lack of notable natural assets.

The US economy is at the mercy of the consumer and the oil to create a wealthy market and a stable and powerful economy. If the oil gets expensive, the cost is passed onto the consumer. If the consumer isn't satisfied, the economy goes to shit, and the stability that makes the US economy a benchmark fades rapidly, along with the value of the dollar. The US needs to reemerge as a leading scientific nation again to recover from the setback they're facing. Relying on the unreliable never got anyone anywhere in the long run.
Yellowman03
Once Again, We Meet at Last
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Another problem is the increased saving of our money. It may seem contradictory to spend money to make increase the economy, but it's true. Sure, printing out more money, and sending it to foreign companies is stronger, but without the circulation of our money, there will be more inflation. It happened oh so many times in US history. You would think we would know by now, but then again the vast majority of US citizens don't know much about US history =p

go buy your family and friends gifts everybody!!!! the economy depends on it!!!!
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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I remember replying to a similar thread on this very topic:

'Way to manipulate foreign investment.'

CameronPoe wrote:

Watch out - I started a topic like this recently and was told that I was being 'anti-American'.
Just the way Americans were (and are) 'anti-American' to proper immigrants. I can imagine.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-12-08 15:38:41)

Phrozenbot
Member
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Yellowman03 wrote:

Another problem is the increased saving of our money. It may seem contradictory to spend money to make increase the economy, but it's true. Sure, printing out more money, and sending it to foreign companies is stronger, but without the circulation of our money, there will be more inflation. It happened oh so many times in US history. You would think we would know by now, but then again the vast majority of US citizens don't know much about US history =p

go buy your family and friends gifts everybody!!!! the economy depends on it!!!!
No fiat currency has ever survived.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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lose our dollar, lose your government.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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It really isn't that big of a deal - as one of those articles state, " "The largest reserve holders are not in the Middle East but in Asia and account, together with Russia, for over 63% of total reserve holdings."  If Russia and China abandoned their hordes of US dollars, then shit would hit the fan.  The fact that Russia, most of Asia, and the U.S. rely heavily on each other in the world of economics ensures a safety net of sorts for the American dollar.

The act of trading oil for American dollars boosts the dollars value somewhat artificially because countries would need to make sure they had a supply of American dollars to buy oil from countries trading in it.  The fact that Russia and Saudi Arabia (the two largest exporters of oil) still use the American dollar as their preferred method of payment for their oil exports is indicative of not only their reliance on the American dollar, but also of their reserved bullish attitudes concerning the American dollar.

The idea that the Fed is cutting interest rates (reducing the returns earned per dollar) is more indicative of a belief in saving the mortgage industry from a major government bailout than a conclusion that the dominance of the American dollar is gone in my opinion.  I would say it is more a force in driving down our domestic economy than international economy.  I believe a proper course for a stronger internal economy would be to slowly remove the fiat money system, and make it illegal for the government to spend more money than it makes.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-12-08 19:30:31)

Turquoise
O Canada
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Goodbye dollar, hello Euro.
usmarine
Banned
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It really isn't that big of a deal
Pffftt...It's on bf2s.   It is a big deal.

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