It doesn't, never said it did. Just said that Gawwad had a right to his opinion.mikkel wrote:
How does that make the opinions of the Sudanese legislature void? Surely they have just as much right to their opinions as Gawwad has.
No one ever claimed that he didn't.Flecco wrote:
It doesn't, never said it did. Just said that Gawwad had a right to his opinion.mikkel wrote:
How does that make the opinions of the Sudanese legislature void? Surely they have just as much right to their opinions as Gawwad has.
That seems like precisely what we did. They were in power from 1933 'till 1945 - A full six years before unleashing their military onto the world.Turquoise wrote:
Draconian legislation might be their prerogative, but it doesn't change the fact that it's fucked up. Nazies had draconian legislation of their own, and we didn't sit back and say, "Oh it's their culture, leave it be."
haha, i thought I got that wrong. derrrr...jord wrote:
Why do people spell Britain with a double t?
Ja, nice culture, rite?mikkel wrote:
It's just a different culture.
It only becomes a concern for other countries when one of their own citizens is involved. For example, if I were Gordon Brown, I'd demand they release this woman to Britain without punishing her. If not, the bombs start dropping.mikkel wrote:
Like I've said before, I don't agree with the legislation myself, but by their standards, it's probably fair and far from draconian, so who are we to dictate what they should and shouldn't do?
I'm sure there are a lot of people who would say the same about yours.The_Mac wrote:
Ja, nice culture, rite?mikkel wrote:
It's just a different culture.
So what you're saying is that any citizen of a powerful nation should be able to come to Sudan and break any law and seek out sentencing with any punishment that isn't acceptable to the west, and never be punished? That really sounds rather arrogant to me. The woman could have asked the Foreign and Commonwealth office before travelling. They provide UK citizens with travel alerts, warnings and information on what to be aware of when travelling to certain parts of the world. On their page for Sudan, they include this little tidbit:Turquoise wrote:
It only becomes a concern for other countries when one of their own citizens is involved. For example, if I were Gordon Brown, I'd demand they release this woman to Britain without punishing her. If not, the bombs start dropping.mikkel wrote:
Like I've said before, I don't agree with the legislation myself, but by their standards, it's probably fair and far from draconian, so who are we to dictate what they should and shouldn't do?
If they want to wield bullshit laws on their own people, so be it, but they sure as hell better be careful with foreign citizens of countries with vastly more powerful militaries.
If you're going to be a teacher for a bunch of Sudanese kids, the first thing you do is understand their culture and religion. It doesn't take more than half an hour to talk to the FCO and have them expound on the local customs and sensitivities.Non-Muslim women are not expected to wear a veil or cover their heads, but you should dress modestly and respect local customs and sensitivities.
Perhaps, it is arrogant. I'm sorry but I just feel that the culture of the U.K. is vastly superior to that of Sudan. I'm sure there are plenty here willing to back me up on that.mikkel wrote:
So what you're saying is that any citizen of a powerful nation should be able to come to Sudan and break any law and seek out sentencing with any punishment that isn't acceptable to the west, and never be punished? That really sounds rather arrogant to me. The woman could have asked the Foreign and Commonwealth office before travelling. They provide UK citizens with travel alerts, warnings and information on what to be aware of when travelling to certain parts of the world. On their page for Sudan, they include this little tidbit:Turquoise wrote:
It only becomes a concern for other countries when one of their own citizens is involved. For example, if I were Gordon Brown, I'd demand they release this woman to Britain without punishing her. If not, the bombs start dropping.mikkel wrote:
Like I've said before, I don't agree with the legislation myself, but by their standards, it's probably fair and far from draconian, so who are we to dictate what they should and shouldn't do?
If they want to wield bullshit laws on their own people, so be it, but they sure as hell better be careful with foreign citizens of countries with vastly more powerful militaries.If you're going to be a teacher for a bunch of Sudanese kids, the first thing you do is understand their culture and religion. It doesn't take more than half an hour to talk to the FCO and have them expound on the local customs and sensitivities.Non-Muslim women are not expected to wear a veil or cover their heads, but you should dress modestly and respect local customs and sensitivities.
This woman had every possible chance of knowing what kiind of punishments they have down there for these sorts of things, and every possible chance of getting to learn the culture and sensitivities of these people like she should have. As sympathetic as I am to her for having to endure such punishment, I don't really think the ignorance of her actions warrant anywhere near the kind of response you're describing. It's not like their culture is a secret to the world.
I just don't see why foreigners would even bother coming to the country if they weren't going to conform to its laws and culture.Turquoise wrote:
Perhaps, it is arrogant. I'm sorry but I just feel that the culture of the U.K. is vastly superior to that of Sudan. I'm sure there are plenty here willing to back me up on that.mikkel wrote:
So what you're saying is that any citizen of a powerful nation should be able to come to Sudan and break any law and seek out sentencing with any punishment that isn't acceptable to the west, and never be punished? That really sounds rather arrogant to me. The woman could have asked the Foreign and Commonwealth office before travelling. They provide UK citizens with travel alerts, warnings and information on what to be aware of when travelling to certain parts of the world. On their page for Sudan, they include this little tidbit:Turquoise wrote:
It only becomes a concern for other countries when one of their own citizens is involved. For example, if I were Gordon Brown, I'd demand they release this woman to Britain without punishing her. If not, the bombs start dropping.
If they want to wield bullshit laws on their own people, so be it, but they sure as hell better be careful with foreign citizens of countries with vastly more powerful militaries.If you're going to be a teacher for a bunch of Sudanese kids, the first thing you do is understand their culture and religion. It doesn't take more than half an hour to talk to the FCO and have them expound on the local customs and sensitivities.Non-Muslim women are not expected to wear a veil or cover their heads, but you should dress modestly and respect local customs and sensitivities.
This woman had every possible chance of knowing what kiind of punishments they have down there for these sorts of things, and every possible chance of getting to learn the culture and sensitivities of these people like she should have. As sympathetic as I am to her for having to endure such punishment, I don't really think the ignorance of her actions warrant anywhere near the kind of response you're describing. It's not like their culture is a secret to the world.
I understand what you're getting at, but this "law" of theirs is so absolutely ridiculous that I have no problem at all with foreigners defying it. Sometimes, I think it takes defiance to change a culture. Sudan is in amazingly shitty shape, and quite frankly, they'd be better off if a European power conquered them and Westernized them. Granted, that would require a lot of bloodshed, but it's not like that isn't happening already.
Well, ask the immigrants who come to Europe that don't conform to the cultures they moved to. It works both ways, but I'd rather be the one pushing rather than getting pushed.mikkel wrote:
I just don't see why foreigners would even bother coming to the country if they weren't going to conform to its laws and culture.Turquoise wrote:
Perhaps, it is arrogant. I'm sorry but I just feel that the culture of the U.K. is vastly superior to that of Sudan. I'm sure there are plenty here willing to back me up on that.mikkel wrote:
So what you're saying is that any citizen of a powerful nation should be able to come to Sudan and break any law and seek out sentencing with any punishment that isn't acceptable to the west, and never be punished? That really sounds rather arrogant to me. The woman could have asked the Foreign and Commonwealth office before travelling. They provide UK citizens with travel alerts, warnings and information on what to be aware of when travelling to certain parts of the world. On their page for Sudan, they include this little tidbit:Turquoise wrote:
It only becomes a concern for other countries when one of their own citizens is involved. For example, if I were Gordon Brown, I'd demand they release this woman to Britain without punishing her. If not, the bombs start dropping.
If they want to wield bullshit laws on their own people, so be it, but they sure as hell better be careful with foreign citizens of countries with vastly more powerful militaries.
If you're going to be a teacher for a bunch of Sudanese kids, the first thing you do is understand their culture and religion. It doesn't take more than half an hour to talk to the FCO and have them expound on the local customs and sensitivities.
This woman had every possible chance of knowing what kiind of punishments they have down there for these sorts of things, and every possible chance of getting to learn the culture and sensitivities of these people like she should have. As sympathetic as I am to her for having to endure such punishment, I don't really think the ignorance of her actions warrant anywhere near the kind of response you're describing. It's not like their culture is a secret to the world.
I understand what you're getting at, but this "law" of theirs is so absolutely ridiculous that I have no problem at all with foreigners defying it. Sometimes, I think it takes defiance to change a culture. Sudan is in amazingly shitty shape, and quite frankly, they'd be better off if a European power conquered them and Westernized them. Granted, that would require a lot of bloodshed, but it's not like that isn't happening already.
Sudan is a hell hole, yeah, but change definitely shouldn't come from forcing the government into a position where they can't even apply the laws of their own country within their own borders. I doubt that something like that would make them more open to international pressure than they are now.
Do you honestly believe anyone at this forum supports beheadings and suicide attacks?usmarine2005 wrote:
Again more outrage over something so damn stupid yet not much of an outcry against beheadings and suicide attacks.
I meant from the muslim community.Turquoise wrote:
Do you honestly believe anyone at this forum supports beheadings and suicide attacks?usmarine2005 wrote:
Again more outrage over something so damn stupid yet not much of an outcry against beheadings and suicide attacks.
the silent "majority"usmarine2005 wrote:
I meant from the muslim community.Turquoise wrote:
Do you honestly believe anyone at this forum supports beheadings and suicide attacks?usmarine2005 wrote:
Again more outrage over something so damn stupid yet not much of an outcry against beheadings and suicide attacks.
The point is that those immigrants are held accountable and punished under European laws, even if what they had done would be perfectly acceptable where they came from. Why shouldn't the same apply in Sudan?Turquoise wrote:
Well, ask the immigrants who come to Europe that don't conform to the cultures they moved to. It works both ways, but I'd rather be the one pushing rather than getting pushed.mikkel wrote:
I just don't see why foreigners would even bother coming to the country if they weren't going to conform to its laws and culture.Turquoise wrote:
Perhaps, it is arrogant. I'm sorry but I just feel that the culture of the U.K. is vastly superior to that of Sudan. I'm sure there are plenty here willing to back me up on that.
I understand what you're getting at, but this "law" of theirs is so absolutely ridiculous that I have no problem at all with foreigners defying it. Sometimes, I think it takes defiance to change a culture. Sudan is in amazingly shitty shape, and quite frankly, they'd be better off if a European power conquered them and Westernized them. Granted, that would require a lot of bloodshed, but it's not like that isn't happening already.
Sudan is a hell hole, yeah, but change definitely shouldn't come from forcing the government into a position where they can't even apply the laws of their own country within their own borders. I doubt that something like that would make them more open to international pressure than they are now.
They wouldn't do anything at all.SEREMAKER wrote:
I wonder how they would feel to know that I name my toilet paper --- Muhammad
Hmmm..get a copyright on that.SEREMAKER wrote:
I wonder how they would feel to know that I name my toilet paper --- Muhammad
I'm pretty sure someone beat him to it. I know I have seen it on the internet before...in fact, I believe it was at loljesus.comusmarine2005 wrote:
Hmmm..get a copyright on that.SEREMAKER wrote:
I wonder how they would feel to know that I name my toilet paper --- Muhammad
I'll take a case of muhammed TP with a few boxes of koran tissue paper.
Because some people can't spell my name with a double t.jord wrote:
Why do people spell Britain with a double t?
I understand the principle you're applying here, but all I can say is this... I'm glad they deported this British woman. She was tossing her pearls to swine over there. Fuck Sudan and its ridiculous laws.mikkel wrote:
The point is that those immigrants are held accountable and punished under European laws, even if what they had done would be perfectly acceptable where they came from. Why shouldn't the same apply in Sudan?Turquoise wrote:
Well, ask the immigrants who come to Europe that don't conform to the cultures they moved to. It works both ways, but I'd rather be the one pushing rather than getting pushed.mikkel wrote:
I just don't see why foreigners would even bother coming to the country if they weren't going to conform to its laws and culture.
Sudan is a hell hole, yeah, but change definitely shouldn't come from forcing the government into a position where they can't even apply the laws of their own country within their own borders. I doubt that something like that would make them more open to international pressure than they are now.