Poll

Does Affirmative Action Promote Equality or More Discrimination?

It Promotes Equality2%2% - 1
It Doesn't Help to End Discrimination21%21% - 8
It Promotes More Discrimination76%76% - 29
Other0%0% - 0
Total: 38
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6664|NT, like Mick Dundee

'Positive' segregation is still segregation.


Racism is racism, no matter what label you whack on it. I disagree with it.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6756|Argentina

Flecco wrote:

'Positive' segregation is still segregation.


Racism is racism, no matter what label you whack on it. I disagree with it.
Well, we can agree that people from all the political spectrum here think AA doesn't help at all.  I bet many conservatives were waiting for some libs to support it.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6664|NT, like Mick Dundee

sergeriver wrote:

Flecco wrote:

'Positive' segregation is still segregation.


Racism is racism, no matter what label you whack on it. I disagree with it.
Well, we can agree that people from all the political spectrum here think AA doesn't help at all.  I bet many conservatives were waiting for some libs to support it.
Which is odd because Affirmative Action goes against socialist ideology. Generally on this board socialist = liberal.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6756|Argentina

Flecco wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Flecco wrote:

'Positive' segregation is still segregation.


Racism is racism, no matter what label you whack on it. I disagree with it.
Well, we can agree that people from all the political spectrum here think AA doesn't help at all.  I bet many conservatives were waiting for some libs to support it.
Which is odd because Affirmative Action goes against socialist ideology. Generally on this board socialist = liberal.
That's a very usual misconception.
David.P
Banned
+649|6273

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

While I don't doubt your experience in special education schools, I can rebut this from MY own personal observations - my good friend's fiance is a teacher for kids with autism and other developmental disabilities, and she willingly took the job with less pay despite being overqualified for the job.  Why? Because she wants to help people.
Not for me. Here in New York it's alot different then in cali. They hire people more over race then experience who dont know much shit about helping mentally disturbed children, These people ignore us, Verbally abuse us, And sometimes get physical. Most of the people that took the job are fresh out of high school and act all hood and shit. If you want i'll pm you the details.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6631|949

Is it the system or is it a lack of qualified candidates?

Like I said, with the credentials that my buddy's girlfriend has, she could be teaching at a job that pays her ~50K+.  Instead she makes around $35K.  Show me another profession where people willingly take a paycut for altruistic reasons, and show me how Affirmative Action plays a part.
David.P
Banned
+649|6273
Both to some extent.

In the first place i went it was lack of candidates and those that did qualify were not chosen over those of a minority(Mostly whites/asians were qualified but most of the slots were filled up by people from "ghetto" backgrounds)

Second place it was the system. Oh god how fucked up that place was for 4 and a half years.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6771|PNW

Gawwad wrote:

AA can help to get rid of promote race and gender prejudice by giving women, minorities and immigrants a change to show that they are up for the tasks preference before and above everyone else.
Fixed.

AA nurtures resentment. That is all.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-11-26 22:40:42)

joker8baller
Member
+68|6666

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

AA can help to get rid of promote race and gender prejudice by giving women, minorities and immigrants a change to show that they are up for the tasks preference before and above everyone else.
Fixed.

AA nurtures resentment. That is all.
Agreed.

AA in education only makes the education system even more screwed up than it already is.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6323|New Haven, CT
I just overheard a student at my school saying that a college offered him a $13,000 scholarship because he was Hawaiian.

Not resentment, but it makes me want to buy some silver nitrate.

Edit: I agree with the notion that affirmative action isn't good.

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2007-11-26 23:38:55)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6673|Canberra, AUS
Yeah, um, can't call it discrimination... but it certainly doesn't help with equal opportunity. Focus on getting the playing field off the damn slope, don't artificially raise one end of it.

Last edited by Spark (2007-11-26 23:45:02)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6323|New Haven, CT
As I like to say, "Reverse racism is still unfair".
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6489|Menlo Park, CA

nukchebi0 wrote:

As I like to say, "Reverse racism is still unfair".
Absolutely! Reverse racism isnt productive or the right way to handle the situation. . . .

I thought the whole civil rights movement was based on equal opportunity regardless of race. . . . AA ENCOURAGES preferential treatment based soley on race, and thats beyond wrong and rediculous!
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6771|PNW

Spark wrote:

Yeah, um, can't call it discrimination... but it certainly doesn't help with equal opportunity. Focus on getting the playing field off the damn slope, don't artificially raise one end of it.
You can. Decisions influenced by race and/or sex are made under the taint of discrimination. Affirmative Action is based on decisions influenced by race and sex.

Yes, it is a bad thing for society, the way it is. If ever it were to collapse, tensions would release like a burst dam, and those demographics that have "benefited" from AA would find many cold shoulders.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-11-27 02:50:49)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6756|Argentina

fadedsteve wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

As I like to say, "Reverse racism is still unfair".
Absolutely! Reverse racism isnt productive or the right way to handle the situation. . . .

I thought the whole civil rights movement was based on equal opportunity regardless of race. . . . AA ENCOURAGES preferential treatment based soley on race, and thats beyond wrong and rediculous!
Agreed.
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6653

I love affirmative action. Fighting racism with racism.

People say they want a "color blind" society, but taking race into account means you're looking at color which means you're not being color blind. Hypocrites, I swear....

Obviously I'm smart enough to get into the university I'm currently in, but why should my spot get taken by someone who's less-qualified? Because they're not white? I can contribute just as much as anyone else here, and in fact, I could probably contribute more than the other person because I'm more qualified than they are.



Some time ago there was a proposition passed in California that made it illegal to consider race in a college application. Finally some intelligence, right? Wrong! Every time the UC Regents (people in charge of UC system here) have a meeting, a bunch of dumbass hippies go on a major protest and throw a huge hissy fit.



Hahaha, and now that I think of it, one of my friends noticed this: On buildings around campus there will be tags on the walls (in chalk) that say "Demand Diversity! Come to a meeting at _________ on _________ " And he says, "You'd think by demanding diversity they'd want to break stereotypes, but tagging public buildings isn't helping..."

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