Poll

What is your take on software piracy?

I would never do this, Its unfair on the developers.9%9% - 2
I would never do this, its illegal.13%13% - 3
I only do this because software is way too expensive.22%22% - 5
I do this because I can. Why pay when you dont have to?22%22% - 5
I only buy games that I want to play online.13%13% - 3
I would like to do this but I dont know how.4%4% - 1
Whats software piracy?9%9% - 2
Other (Please post comments)4%4% - 1
Total: 22
Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7063|England
Just wondering what peoples opinions are on software piracy?

Please refrain from posting any details regarding how to pirate software, or where to get pirate software from. I would like to keep this a serious thread and such discussion is illegal and will end up with this thread getting closed.
THA
im a fucking .....well not now
+609|7045|AUS, Canberra
if i want a program ill try download it and a crack for before i buy it.

like photoshop, ulead dvd movie factory, nero and so on.
[SCC]~Omen63~
Member
+0|6976
Being a person that woks in the software entertainment industry, I will say that I hate to even hear about piracy. This is how I make my living and put food on my table, roof over my head and cloths on my kids back. The way I see it everyone that "STEALS" software is no better than a common thief. The theft of this software is one of the reasons that the prices are not going down at the retailer. You are also taking money straight out of my pocket and affecting my ability to support my family.
Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7063|England
Well I intentionally didn’t post my comments on this until somebody else owned up to it as I wasnt sure how much I would be flamed. But anyway here goes:

basically I have mixed feelings about this, firstly im studying software development at university with the intention of becoming a professional programmer in the near future. Therefore I agree with [SCC]~Omen63~ that its not fair on the developers, if nobody were to buy software, the developers would be out of business therefore there would be no software and no job for me.

However I am a poor student, on a very limited income and 90% of that goes towards bills and study fee's as it is. Although I try to buy cheap software such as games, and major software like Microsoft Windows. I could not possibly afford to buy all the software needed to study for my course. For example I use Visual Studio.net for programming work and that particular piece of software costs up in the thousands of pounds.
So although I may feel guilty about it, I don’t feel like I have a lot of choice with the current price of software and a student income.

Perhaps if less people used pirate software and brought the real thing, companies would be making more money and could afford to sell at cheaper prices that are more affordable for the general public, who knows...

Last edited by Kobrakai (2005-12-22 16:50:35)

THA
im a fucking .....well not now
+609|7045|AUS, Canberra
if i was in the industry id be pissed too if people stoll money out of my pocket.
but, if i can get somthing for free im going to take it.... simple as that.

Last edited by the_heart_attack (2005-12-22 16:18:38)

freebirdpat
Base Rapist
+5|7028
Lets put it this way, I will not spend $400 on a piece of software like Adobe Photoshop or MATLAB, if I just want to play around with it or if I don't use it very often.

Now if I get a job, or some thing where I would be using something like that often, I would buy it.

Piracy also is the reason why some programs become popular, software companies don't want to admit it, but if you have 2 programs, one is easily pirated the other is very difficult to pirate, and otherwise they both do the exact same thing and cost the same, the one that is easily pirated will have better marketshare.

the_heart_attack wrote:

if i was in the industry id be pissed too if people stoll money out of my pocket.
but, if i can get somthing for free im going to take it.... simple as that.
Its not stealing, its copyright infringing. Stealing is taking something material, this is taking copying something and taking it. Software should work on a sliding scale but no way possible to do that. If I use a program that costs $200 maybe a couple of times a year, should I have to pay the same as a guy that uses it everyday and makes a living off of it?

Last edited by freebirdpat (2005-12-22 16:21:16)

Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7063|England
Another important factor I forgot to mention was that when you install pirate software on your computer you have no way of knowing what “additional” software has been included with it. And this is a major reason why I prefer to buy operating systems in particular as you just cant be sure that there are no key loggers, viruses or other spyware type programs included.
THA
im a fucking .....well not now
+609|7045|AUS, Canberra
yeh but i only install the demo versions given out by the maker  and then crack them.
IronGeek
One Shot, One Kill
+4|7069|Canberra, Australia
Do people actually think that companies would drop their prices if everyone stopped pirating?

Would some people who pirate now because a game costs A$100 not pirate if the same game cost A$45
I know I would buy more.

Then again I am also aware of my attention span most of the time.  I installed Photoshop and have played with it for all of about 10 mins.  I am glad I didn't pay for that. For all intents and purposes... I don't have it.
Sand_Shark
Member
+0|6984
Don't care never will because thid is how i find out if I like a game movie or music.
THA
im a fucking .....well not now
+609|7045|AUS, Canberra

IronGeek wrote:

Do people actually think that companies would drop their prices if everyone stopped pirating?

.
thats right, if anything wouldnt they rise due to the fact that if you want it your going to have to pay for it.
=Robin-Hood=
A stranger in the dark
+213|7095|Belgium

~Omen63~, the ultimate company man, lectures the_heart_attack without looking at him, typing at his computer continuously.

the_heart_attack stares at two window cleaners on a scaffolding outside, dragging their rubber squeegees down across the surface of the glass.

~Omen63~
You have a problem, Mr. heart_attack
You think that you're special.
You believe that somehow the rules do not apply to you.

He stops, glancing over his glasses at the_heart_attack, and he turns in time.

~Omen63~
Obviously, you are mistaken.

His long, bony fingers resume clicking the keyboard.

~Omen63~
My company is one of the top software companies in the world because every single employee understands that they are a part of a whole.  Thus, if an employee has a problem, the company has a    problem.

He turns again.

~Omen63~
The time has come to make a choice, Mr. heart_attack.  Either you choose to buy every little program on your pc from this day forth, or you choose to find yourself another pc.  Do I make myself clear?

the_heart_attack
Yes, ~Omen63~  Perfectly clear.

---
Omen is perfectly correct that is illegal to find software, and it might be stealing from his wallet... But I doubt that Software would become that much cheaper when everybody will buy it. WOW has a pretty good system to force people into buying it, and sh.t it is probably the most expensive game out there (since you need to pay each month)...
I bought official software as student from the university because those licenses ARE cheap (€ 5 or so for windows/office). But in one of my previous educations I needed AutoCAD (full version)... take a look around and see what that would have cost me... as student... I think not. If it ain't affordable and it ain't to hard to find... My conscience is hard to find.

And I have a dream... I have a dream that my future children will one day live in a nation where everything is freeware and open source...

Cheers,
R

Last edited by =Robin-Hood= (2005-12-22 16:51:09)

AD_Kensan
Member
+7|7060
I used to have lots of pirated software just for fun. I didn't even use it it was just something forbidden to do: download illegal software. I think that if I enjoy a game or think that a certain piece of software is great and I need it I buy it. That's how it works: you pay for something so they can make that thing better or make a completely new product or offer new services etc.

I am a student but I also work as a software developer. That said I can do almost everything with opensource software. Of course when I comes to gaming and such you need to have a Windows PC but I exclusively use Windows (for which I have a license) for Gaming the rest I use linux. Of course I put in a lot of time and effort to have a smooth running system that fits my needs perfectly. You learn a lot during the process and once it runs stable you barely have to change anything later on.

There's also free (but not under a opensource license) software for Windows. Check out what google is doing with Picasa and such.

=Robin-Hood= wrote:

[snip]
in one of my previous educations I needed AutoCAD (full version)...
[snip]
In my opinion this is a fault on your school/university's side. If they teach you something and you have to use X to learn what they teach you should they not provide you X or at least give you access to X (not just during class) so you can pass your class? Obviously AutoCAD would be too expensive to buy a bunch of licenses and give them away to students but providing a Computer Lab that students have access to and installint AutoCAD on a couple workstations would be the least they should do.

Kobrakai wrote:

Another important factor I forgot to mention was that when you install pirate software on your computer you have no way of knowing what “additional” software has been included with it. And this is a major reason why I prefer to buy operating systems in particular as you just cant be sure that there are no key loggers, viruses or other spyware type programs included.
The argument holds for every "closed source" software. How do you know "what" your operating system is doing? When you can't review the software you rely on the trust to the company that made the software.

The last point I want to mention is that I see a big difference between pirated software and "pirated" audio&video. In most countries software is adequatly priced and you get service with it (like patches, updates etc) so most of the time you get a fair deal while I am not so sure about the music business...

Anyways, don't want to start a flamewar with that. Just my 2 cents

Last edited by AD_Kensan (2005-12-22 17:14:17)

=Robin-Hood=
A stranger in the dark
+213|7095|Belgium

AD_Kensan wrote:

In my opinion this is a fault on your school/university's side. If they teach you something and you have to use X to learn what they teach you should they not provide you X or at least give you access to X (not just during class) so you can pass your class? Obviously AutoCAD would be too expensive to buy a bunch of licenses and give them away to students but providing a Computer Lab that students have access to and installing AutoCAD on a couple workstations would be the least they should do.
Well, good point, and clearly they had it available, but as you said severely restricted because of the price. I don't know what kind of student you are, but restricted was something that just didn't fit (and still doesn't) for me. I am still using AutoCAD (rebuilding my house and such). So either way it wouldn't quite fit.

My point, schools/universities can't indeed afford to equip all their students with such high priced packages, but need to teach it for the required level of education.

In my opinion every software package should have three types of license... A personal, an educational and a professional. All three packages should be exactly the same, but the personal license should be really budget priced and the professional at a price that the developer would earn his living. (educational somewhere in between) Every product that is produced movie/picture/code by that software should have some watermark in it that indicates who worked on it and with what license. So it would be very easy to check if you made something professionally and with the correct license or personally.
If the big mass of people could get there software legal and cheap, not a lot of people are going to build hacks/cracks/... And if the authorities would make regular checkups on enterprises with large fines if they are using the wrong license... And even larger if they somehow circumvented the license... it would improve a lot.
Of course it requires a good registration format where you get descent support when you register your legal software...

Now this is something I just cooked up on the spot, and is probably not perfect. But my point is (finally) software should come in different prices, depending on why or how much you use it. I can't afford the software that I have (and I get paid to study) while for the average company it's just peanuts...

Cheers,
R

Last edited by =Robin-Hood= (2005-12-22 17:34:51)

Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|6985|Sweden
I always download from the internet. But some games like HL2 were you need steam and stuff i bought that one. And i bought BF2 just cuz the developers are swedes..
Nehil
Member
+3|7006|South Sweden (NOT SWITZERLAND)
Well since I'm only 16 I can't afford to buy everthing I need for my computer. But I do buy things like Bf2 and other great games. But I downloaded Bf2 before I bought it. Why? Becuse if the game would suck I don't really want to spend $50 on a game that sucks and that I woundn't even use. If the game is good (which it was) I'll buy it.
5N1P3R
Member
+1|7042
I have very strong feeling about this topic. I am not saying that piracy is entirely correct, but I do believe in it. I, as well as millions of people around the world pirate games, software, movies and music. The developers make so much money that if a couple of people use their software for free it is no big deal. I have $1000's of dollars of pirate software which I use to complete school work and for entertainment. I like the software, but I could not afford to buy it. I believe that if it is for personal use then it is ok, but if it is for industy or to make money THEN it is wrong.


If the industry reduced their prices even slightly (as an example BF2 costs $100 in Australia) then there would be less piracy in the world. They should only charge full price to people who are using the software to make money. And in other cases such as movies, games and music the prices should also be lowered to compete with the black market. If the games were say $50 a piece ($AU from $100) then i would buy the games instead of wasting heaps of hours checking the copy protection and trying to emulate it or downloading the game.

You can see the huge markup that these companies make on their software etc. EA last year posted profits of $3 BILLION US. If they reduced their prices to half they could still make around $2 Billion as their sales would increase. They should stop being greedy

PS - I DID BUY BF2 LEGALLY that cost $100 but it is definately the most cost effective game I have ever baught
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6965|Tampa Bay Florida
I would never do this, its unfair against the developers
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4529
man, look at how many people used to post in these things
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,054|7046|PNW

man, check out that working poll
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4529
that robin hood dude was fucking craaaazy

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