kylef
Gone
+1,352|6494|N. Ireland
To the average user (a light gamer, a multimedia user), a Raptor holds no significant advantage. While the drive is faster, the user probably will not notice much of a difference.
SexyCabbage
One Shot, One Kill ... Always
+68|6481|Kentucky

leetkyle wrote:

To the average user (a light gamer, a multimedia user), a Raptor holds no significant advantage. While the drive is faster, the user probably will not notice much of a difference.
THERE IS NO NOTICIABLE DIFFERENCE, i have been on both before (seagate barracudas in raid 0 and a Raptor)
jamiet757
Member
+138|6623

SexyCabbage wrote:

seagate barracudas in raid 0 and a Raptor)
Exactly....seagate sucks....

There isn't a noticable difference unless you have your OS on it, in which case it will load faster in raid 0, but the raptor is faster in single than a 7200, however yes, you probably won't notice a big difference, although I noticed a HUGE difference in my 2 raptors in raid 0 in windows load times, game load times, and general computing. That is all I was trying to say.
cospengle
Member
+140|6488|Armidale, NSW, Australia
Well what about 4 x 80Gig 7200rpm drives in RAID 0+1? The OP obviously isn't concerned with having a huge amount of space but wants good load times...

Personally I'd go the Raptor because when I tried to set up my RAID I failed miserably. (One of the drives turned out to be faulty, so it wasn't my fault but it was still a pain).
jsnipy
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+3,276|6524|...

cospengle wrote:

Well what about 4 x 80Gig 7200rpm drives in RAID 0+1? The OP obviously isn't concerned with having a huge amount of space but wants good load times...

Personally I'd go the Raptor because when I tried to set up my RAID I failed miserably. (One of the drives turned out to be faulty, so it wasn't my fault but it was still a pain).
Striping and mirroring would no faster than striping alone, in fact you may lose a trivial amount of time depending on the controller. But its well worth it in terms of having a good fail over. But also consider now you are adding a bit more heat to your case.

My last build I used 4 of those 320GB seagates (bought 5 to have a spare), but later ghosted it all back to a single drive.

Last edited by jsnipy (2007-08-05 20:34:48)

cospengle
Member
+140|6488|Armidale, NSW, Australia

jsnipy wrote:

But its well worth it in terms of having a good fail over.
Yeah, that's what I meant. RAID 0 has twice the chance of failure as a single Raptor drive (well, I guess it depends on how good the drives are).

jsnipy wrote:

But also consider now you are adding a bit more heat to your case.
Yeah, I had though that might be a consideration. I'm thinking about trying my RAID 1 setup again and getting a Raptor now they're getting cheaper, that's why I put the idea forward. I'm not sure if I should get 2 more of the drives I have and go 0+1, or put the two I've got in RAID 1 and get a Raptor. I like fast load times, but I'd like to get some redundancy happening, the reason being we store a lot of stuff on my computer that we don't want to keep on our laptops. Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread...

EDIT: meh, maybe I'll just get 4 Raptor drives - problem solved. lol

Last edited by cospengle (2007-08-05 21:19:27)

kylef
Gone
+1,352|6494|N. Ireland
The chances of drive failure is something like 1/10000. So, with RAID0, that is down to 1/5000. 1/5000 is still pretty unlikely odds
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|6627|Quebec city, Canada

leetkyle wrote:

The chances of drive failure is something like 1/10000. So, with RAID0, that is down to 1/5000. 1/5000 is still pretty unlikely odds
I doubt it's as tiny as 1/10000. I'd say that when your hard drive are passed 3 years old, it goes WAY higher than 1/10000.
jsnipy
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+3,276|6524|...

leetkyle wrote:

The chances of drive failure is something like 1/10000. So, with RAID0, that is down to 1/5000. 1/5000 is still pretty unlikely odds
unless you get maxtor drives then its like 1/5
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6494|N. Ireland

jsnipy wrote:

leetkyle wrote:

The chances of drive failure is something like 1/10000. So, with RAID0, that is down to 1/5000. 1/5000 is still pretty unlikely odds
unless you get maxtor drives then its like 1/5
Western Digital all the way
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6650

BeerzGod wrote:

All you pay for with Raptors is the name "Raptor". They're popular drives because they claim 10,000rpm speeds which ARE NOT noticably different from 7,200rpm. While they are a good quality HD, they are also a massive waste of money. Go with 2 HD's from a quality brand like Seagate, or Western Digital and put them in Raid 0. You'll have three times the storage capacity then a single Raptor, you'll have a fast loading computer, and you'll be happy knowing that you didn't fall victim to the bs hype that is the Raptor.
That depends entirely on what you're doing. Going on the internets? Of course not. Playing games, slightly. Installing, transfering files around. Definitely.
cospengle
Member
+140|6488|Armidale, NSW, Australia

jsnipy wrote:

leetkyle wrote:

The chances of drive failure is something like 1/10000. So, with RAID0, that is down to 1/5000. 1/5000 is still pretty unlikely odds
unless you get maxtor drives then its like 1/5
My failure rate for Maxtor is 3/3 All within 1 year.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6602|132 and Bush

My most noticeable increase in performance came from raid0, not my two Raptors.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=857159#p857159 . Raptors are not good bang for the buck to be honest.
Maximum PC even abandoned Raptors this year when they built their dream machine (This months issue). Subscribers got it last week .
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6583|SE London

jamiet757 wrote:

SexyCabbage wrote:

seagate barracudas in raid 0 and a Raptor)
Exactly....seagate sucks....
Seagate don't suck. In fact Seagate and Samsung currently make my two favourite hard drives.

You've demonstrated you don't know what you're talking about quite clearly over the course of this thread. Please refrain from chatting nonsense.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-08-07 06:55:59)

kylef
Gone
+1,352|6494|N. Ireland
Yep. I might be doing the same there here as well. Sell my Raptor and go RAID0 for a lot more space! Samsung, Seagate and Western Digital are at the top of my list for drives
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6650

cospengle wrote:

jsnipy wrote:

leetkyle wrote:

The chances of drive failure is something like 1/10000. So, with RAID0, that is down to 1/5000. 1/5000 is still pretty unlikely odds
unless you get maxtor drives then its like 1/5
My failure rate for Maxtor is 3/3 All within 1 year.
You bought 3 of them?!
Sup3r_Dr4gon
Boat sig is not there anymore
+214|6328|Australia
Raptors do make a noticable difference. I did a time test when I got my raptor, and found that starting up BF2 was three seconds faster, starting a karkand single player match was 4 seconds faster, and a local BF2 wake server was 15 seconds faster. Actually joining an online game has been  5-10 seconds faster, which helps a lot (sneak to the back flags before the enemy has spawned ).
The problem is their price - you can get a 750GB drive for the same price as a 150GB raptor - but if you have the money, it is worth it.
Echo
WOoKie
+383|6721|The Netherlands
I got 2 74gb raptors in raid 0, its fast as hell but its got a big price too, i got 137 gb for 310 euro's. I got all my settings on high and some 64 players maps only take about 15 seconds to load and a couple of seconds to veriefy client data. Other maps take like a couple of seconds longer. I got a 320 gb seagate barracuda for storage.

2 x 320GB in Raid 0 vs WD Raptor. Get the 2 bigger 7200rpm disks in raid 0.
BabySpinach
Phone Spammer
+207|6592|Charlottesville, Virginia, USA

SexyCabbage wrote:

the 10,000rpm has no noticiable difference than 7,200. i would go with raid 0
lol...  Try a 30 sec boot speed increase, as well as insta-game installs.  Plus it shaves time off your loading.
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6494|N. Ireland

BabySpinach wrote:

SexyCabbage wrote:

the 10,000rpm has no noticiable difference than 7,200. i would go with raid 0
lol...  Try a 30 sec boot speed increase, as well as insta-game installs.  Plus it shaves time off your loading.
you're back?

@person who bought so many Maxtor drives: you should of learnt you lesson after the second one!
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6602|132 and Bush

These beast are even said to hold their own against the little buggers.

https://i15.tinypic.com/5xt3fk8.jpg

https://i17.tinypic.com/6ccx91w.jpg

https://i14.tinypic.com/5yn6m8z.jpg

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1 … 552,00.asp
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cospengle
Member
+140|6488|Armidale, NSW, Australia

ghettoperson wrote:

cospengle wrote:

jsnipy wrote:

unless you get maxtor drives then its like 1/5
My failure rate for Maxtor is 3/3 All within 1 year.
You bought 3 of them?!
lol. No I bought 2 of them, but yeah I got pwned to the Maxtor.

leetkyle wrote:

@person who bought so many Maxtor drives: you should of learnt you lesson after the second one!
I bought one at first, but then it started to play up on me so I bought another one while I got an exchange on the first one that was still under warranty. So then I had 2 of them and both of those crapped themselves (all 3 were still under warranty) but then I just bought a Seagate which is still going strong.

Last edited by cospengle (2007-08-07 22:34:14)

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