ask the camel what to do..... according to their holy book? the camel knows allahs 100th name i think
I agree that all to often faith, and even spirituality, are thought to be synonymous with religion, and nothing could be further from the truth. Even as much as I despise organized religion I have faith. And I agree that comment was harsh, but the fenaticism of the past has not subsided, and is every bit as strong, or even stronger than before. The difference now is that these people are no longer fighting it out on a battlefield with swords and bow & arrow. Today every stream of communications can be monitored, satelites can take glamour shots from space, and humans now have the toys of war that could lay this entire planet to waste in the blink of an eye; the scary part is that some fanatics would not find such destruction as bad because they believe that it will only hasten the promised spiritual end prophesized in their religous writings, and don't give a damn about whether everyone has the same belief or not.Erkut.hv wrote:
No need to. I think we are agreeing, but going about it by diferent routes. There is nothing wrong with faith, in and of itself. I practice a particular faith. I am not a fanatic. I do not want to convert people against their will. I do not want to kill people because they believe diferently than I do.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Wrong. Religions, large and small, have over time been the cause of more war, death, destruction, and hatred than all other reasons combined. For all the good (charity) work that religion has done, their dark side still has the upper hand overall.Erkut.hv wrote:
Atheists and Agnostics make up a small, very small percentage of the population. Why don't we start by killing those that have no faith?
Retard. It's people with faith that have, for better or worse, gotten the US to where it is today.
Edit: The problem is not Faith, it's fanatacism.
See, the key word in your statement is "faith". Faith is the belief in something that cannot be detected by the human senses, or otherwise subjected to imperical/scientific theory, but for which a strong belief for it exists. How can any religion justify the swath of death and destruction throughout history based on the belief in something that cannot even be proven to be true?
The fact is, history has shown us that religion is every bit as susceptible to corruption as politics, and it has been used by those with power to maintain power over the masses.
I would suggest you think long and hard before replying.
We both agree Religion is the leading cause of strife on the planet. I make the distinction between faith and religion for just that reason. I practice a Faith, but I am not Religious.
false, its illegal to draw allahstef wrote:
its illegal in islam to draw muhammads face
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And, most muslim "sects" also make it illegal to draw mohammad.WilhelmSissener wrote:
false, its illegal to draw allahstef wrote:
its illegal in islam to draw muhammads face
Quote: "For many Muslims depicting the Prophet Mohammad is forbidden..." link
Let's not forget that we are discussing a religion (at least a sizable portion of which) has such unyielding views that they destroyed centuries old carvings of Budda in Afghanistan that were curved into the side of a cliff. These are part of human history and they destroyed them because they believed it offended their religion. There is just something basically wrong with destroying history because it does not fit into your religion. It would be like Christians going around destroying dinosaur bones because they contradict the belief of many of them that the world is only 6,000 years old.
I don't believe that all Muslims are extremists, but I do believe that the majority of them have extremist views.
Those motherfuckers destroyed our embassy. This is world war 3
This is incredibly retarded, Iconography is illegal in much of the Muslim world, but I got news for you, The Netherlands is not part of the Muslim world. I would love to go into greater detail but I just got the urge to go draw a picture of myself teabagging the great prophet.
HOLY CRAP. I did not think it was ever gonna get this serious over a damn picture. Burning down embassies is like saying " NO MORE DIPLOMACY, WE WANT WAR." This is just insane is all i have to say.
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HOLY CRAP. I did not think it was ever gonna get this serious over a damn picture. Burning down embassies is like saying " NO MORE DIPLOMACY, WE WANT WAR." This is just insane is all i have to say.
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Found this this morning.
"DAMASCUS, Syria - Thousands of Syrians enraged by caricatures of Islam's revered prophet torched the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus on Saturday — the most violent in days of furious protests by Muslims in Asia, Europe and the Middle East."
Is that all they can do? Gather for chaos?
bits from artical...
Iraqis rallying by the hundreds demanded an apology from the
European Union, and the leader of the Palestinian group Hamas called the cartoons "an unforgivable insult" that merited punishment by death.
"With our blood and souls we defend you, O Prophet of God!" the demonstrators chanted. Some removed the Danish flag and replaced it with a green flag printed with the words: "There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God."
Mahmoud Zahar, leader of the militant Palestinian group Hamas, told the Italian daily Il Giornale the cartoonists should be punished by death.
Do they feel that if they kill this person they will reciev a reward from god?
If so these people are not worth bringing into the next century.
Its harder and harder to have any sympathy for muslims anymore. All I see is cry over this and throw fits over that non stop.
ALL this over a cartoon.. hahhahahahaha
Embrace humanity not spirituality, when dealing with your fellow man.
We walk the earth with Men not Gods.
"DAMASCUS, Syria - Thousands of Syrians enraged by caricatures of Islam's revered prophet torched the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus on Saturday — the most violent in days of furious protests by Muslims in Asia, Europe and the Middle East."
Is that all they can do? Gather for chaos?
bits from artical...
Iraqis rallying by the hundreds demanded an apology from the
European Union, and the leader of the Palestinian group Hamas called the cartoons "an unforgivable insult" that merited punishment by death.
"With our blood and souls we defend you, O Prophet of God!" the demonstrators chanted. Some removed the Danish flag and replaced it with a green flag printed with the words: "There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God."
Mahmoud Zahar, leader of the militant Palestinian group Hamas, told the Italian daily Il Giornale the cartoonists should be punished by death.
Do they feel that if they kill this person they will reciev a reward from god?
If so these people are not worth bringing into the next century.
Its harder and harder to have any sympathy for muslims anymore. All I see is cry over this and throw fits over that non stop.
ALL this over a cartoon.. hahhahahahaha
Embrace humanity not spirituality, when dealing with your fellow man.
We walk the earth with Men not Gods.
No, they can also gather for each one of the following: Pain, Misery, Suffering, Death and Destruction.ENTR0PYMAN wrote:
Is that all they can do? Gather for chaos?
The six keywords of religion.
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Just so you know "Caucasian" currently refers almost exclusively to people who are from the Caucasus. From a region of the Caucasus mountains, itself imagined to be the location from which Noah's son Japheth, traditional Biblical ancestor of the Europeans (dominately white) MANY of them have been practising muslims for ages. Not all muslims are middle eastern decent people, please stop being racists, and bigots. The Muslim faith is the fastest growing religion in this world, followed by christian and hinduism and buddism.{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy wrote:
Your sig would offend Muslims too (remember that they expect their women to dress up from head to toe with only their faces - and sometimes ONLY their eyes showing) so you're just as likely to be killed by offended and pissed off Muslims too, Mr Krappyappy. Oh and I ain't jokingKrappyappy wrote:
you win the award for 'most likely to be killed by angry muslims and deserve it.'Erkut.hv wrote:
Not for nothing, but I don't care. Someone will probably get shot, like that Van Gogh kid, who got dumped on for making an islam movie. It's illegal to draw a fucking picture?Can we bomb these people, please? I mean carpet bomb the shit outta them. It's shit like this that gets me angry. This isn't fucking Alice in Wonderland. You can't go around saying "off with their heads' you fucking tools.
I want to watch the history channel and see "the nuking of the middle east"
Just because a group of people start doing violent acts on a certain racial group doesn't classify all of their peoples. Just imagine was everyone that isnt "white or christian" think about the terrorist in Ireland that are killing each other over slight alterations in their religios teachings. How about the Uni-bomber? or Hitler? how about Ted Bundy, Charles Mansion, Gary Ronald York and James Douglas Latham, Edmund Kemper III, Randy Kraft, hell look at the settlement of North and South Americas the white people almost killed off a entire race of peoples.
Basically what I am trying to pass on here is that we all are human beings, from different places. We all have are bias against people cause its part of our nature, we are passionate and caring people at times, and other times we are monsters against our fellow human being. Just because a group or people from a specific place are trying to terrorize the world doesnt mean that that little kid or women or man is going to come to your house and kill you. Its not like that at all, these are a bunch of gangsters or thugs that want to have power, and strike fear into the enemy. And to respond to a threat like that by claiming genocide of all the peoples is something that ranks up there with some of the worst actions taken by peoples. Hitler with the jews, America with the Japanease (A-bomb's), Saddam with the curds, Romans with europe, Chan with the Asians.
Excellent question and worthy of discussing because of the significant cultural change it requires. In the West if we were told tomorrow that we had no Freedom of Speech we would go insane over night.stef wrote:
a newspaper in my country has got some artists to draw muhammads face to maybe move boundrys i dont really know. its illegal in islam to draw muhammads face and now some guys from pakistan have said that there will be a reward if people come with their heads. many muslim countrys want to meat about this and they are pretty pissed but the minister has refused because of the freedom of speach it means you can say whatever you want . what is your opinion about this and do you think that its okay to draw those pictures. start to answer.
There is something wrong with this idea. If painting or drawing of the Prophet Muhammads picture was prohibited for the past 1400 yrs how does anyone living today know what he looked like? The "artist" can't prove his painting is Muhammad. Unless someone can prove it is or isn't how could you prove the accusation in court? This is why religions get a bad name. Let God punish the blasphemers and the rest of us just live our lives out.
btw it is childish to insult other people because they believe differently but in ernest, even when something seems absurd. A good example would be some respect on all sides here. And a bit of a sense of humor might help too.
In Islam it is illegal to draw a picture of any living thing, lest it lead to the worship of idols.WilhelmSissener wrote:
false, its illegal to draw allahstef wrote:
its illegal in islam to draw muhammads face
Reading the rest of my posts on Islam might grant you a clue. Your post was at best, naive.MAJ-DMK- wrote:
Just so you know "Caucasian" currently refers almost exclusively to people who are from the Caucasus. From a region of the Caucasus mountains, itself imagined to be the location from which Noah's son Japheth, traditional Biblical ancestor of the Europeans (dominately white) MANY of them have been practising muslims for ages. Not all muslims are middle eastern decent people, please stop being racists, and bigots. The Muslim faith is the fastest growing religion in this world, followed by christian and hinduism and buddism.{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy wrote:
Your sig would offend Muslims too (remember that they expect their women to dress up from head to toe with only their faces - and sometimes ONLY their eyes showing) so you're just as likely to be killed by offended and pissed off Muslims too, Mr Krappyappy. Oh and I ain't jokingKrappyappy wrote:
you win the award for 'most likely to be killed by angry muslims and deserve it.'
Just because a group of people start doing violent acts on a certain racial group doesn't classify all of their peoples. Just imagine was everyone that isnt "white or christian" think about the terrorist in Ireland that are killing each other over slight alterations in their religios teachings. How about the Uni-bomber? or Hitler? how about Ted Bundy, Charles Mansion, Gary Ronald York and James Douglas Latham, Edmund Kemper III, Randy Kraft, hell look at the settlement of North and South Americas the white people almost killed off a entire race of peoples.
Basically what I am trying to pass on here is that we all are human beings, from different places. We all have are bias against people cause its part of our nature, we are passionate and caring people at times, and other times we are monsters against our fellow human being. Just because a group or people from a specific place are trying to terrorize the world doesnt mean that that little kid or women or man is going to come to your house and kill you. Its not like that at all, these are a bunch of gangsters or thugs that want to have power, and strike fear into the enemy. And to respond to a threat like that by claiming genocide of all the peoples is something that ranks up there with some of the worst actions taken by peoples. Hitler with the jews, America with the Japanease (A-bomb's), Saddam with the curds, Romans with europe, Chan with the Asians.
I agree I cannot simply explain something in such a small post but hey all I want is people to respect others for the person they are not the people they stand for.xanthpi wrote:
Reading the rest of my posts on Islam might grant you a clue. Your post was at best, naive.MAJ-DMK- wrote:
Just so you know "Caucasian" currently refers almost exclusively to people who are from the Caucasus. From a region of the Caucasus mountains, itself imagined to be the location from which Noah's son Japheth, traditional Biblical ancestor of the Europeans (dominately white) MANY of them have been practising muslims for ages. Not all muslims are middle eastern decent people, please stop being racists, and bigots. The Muslim faith is the fastest growing religion in this world, followed by christian and hinduism and buddism.{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy wrote:
Your sig would offend Muslims too (remember that they expect their women to dress up from head to toe with only their faces - and sometimes ONLY their eyes showing) so you're just as likely to be killed by offended and pissed off Muslims too, Mr Krappyappy. Oh and I ain't joking
Just because a group of people start doing violent acts on a certain racial group doesn't classify all of their peoples. Just imagine was everyone that isnt "white or christian" think about the terrorist in Ireland that are killing each other over slight alterations in their religios teachings. How about the Uni-bomber? or Hitler? how about Ted Bundy, Charles Mansion, Gary Ronald York and James Douglas Latham, Edmund Kemper III, Randy Kraft, hell look at the settlement of North and South Americas the white people almost killed off a entire race of peoples.
Basically what I am trying to pass on here is that we all are human beings, from different places. We all have are bias against people cause its part of our nature, we are passionate and caring people at times, and other times we are monsters against our fellow human being. Just because a group or people from a specific place are trying to terrorize the world doesnt mean that that little kid or women or man is going to come to your house and kill you. Its not like that at all, these are a bunch of gangsters or thugs that want to have power, and strike fear into the enemy. And to respond to a threat like that by claiming genocide of all the peoples is something that ranks up there with some of the worst actions taken by peoples. Hitler with the jews, America with the Japanease (A-bomb's), Saddam with the curds, Romans with europe, Chan with the Asians.
I saw them in the paper yesterday, and to a western eye, we don't carte. Hell, we saterise everything, I remember Jesus doing a Black Hawk Down ripoff and going in guns blazing to rescue Santa. I also remember Bhuddah on the Simpsons being pulled over and arrested for erratic driving.
Still, the Islamic world is not something you want to saterise. They don't have a sense of humour yet. When they do, Muhammad can take his rightful place beside God, Jesus, Vishnu, Ganesh, Bhuddah and Spongebob in the great satirical 'heaven'.
Still, the Islamic world is not something you want to saterise. They don't have a sense of humour yet. When they do, Muhammad can take his rightful place beside God, Jesus, Vishnu, Ganesh, Bhuddah and Spongebob in the great satirical 'heaven'.
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Hey nice to join it. But no I knew people could be anal but this is just pathetic. I mean seriously everyone is getting out of line here. I know I'm in the military and everything but to possibly start a war over a FUCKEN picture. Lol and i thought American's got pissed off at some cartoons drawn. How many cartoons I have seen making fun of jews, christians, muslims, and even Buhdda dressed up as a Santa Clause. People get offended yeah but we deal with it. I mean hell I have seen palestinians draw cartoons of soda pop with a jewish star on it and in caption read "Made with 100% Jewish Blood." Didn't see anything crazy happen over that.Rosse_modest wrote:
Ah, it seems you just took the red pill...2ndLt.Tucker wrote:
HOLY CRAP. I did not think it was ever gonna get this serious over a damn picture. Burning down embassies is like saying " NO MORE DIPLOMACY, WE WANT WAR." This is just insane is all i have to say.
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Huray!
They burned another one!
Why does mankind continue to put up with this threat to our species? We've eradicated other things for lesser reasons in the past... What's stopping us now?
They burned another one!
Why does mankind continue to put up with this threat to our species? We've eradicated other things for lesser reasons in the past... What's stopping us now?
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are you brave enough to klikk the link
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=e … he+muslims
well that link tells us what to do
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=e … he+muslims
well that link tells us what to do
I hardly think bombing them will be sufficient.
Hats off to Jyllands Posten for having to courage to print these pictures and other magazines like French Soir to reprint them. Freedom of speech is not something you can throw out the window just to appease a mob of violent maniacs who propapbly don't even know where Denmark is.
This whole thing is bullshit from my opinion.
Danish guy draws a comic, allah guys go crazy in the east. Burn down an embassy and shit. Just because of allah face in comic. Pffff.. And what do we do when they blow up the subway or suicide bomb a cafeteria.. Uhm like nothing? Just send all of them in the outer space or something.
Danish guy draws a comic, allah guys go crazy in the east. Burn down an embassy and shit. Just because of allah face in comic. Pffff.. And what do we do when they blow up the subway or suicide bomb a cafeteria.. Uhm like nothing? Just send all of them in the outer space or something.
What is worst???? - Cartoon drawings of Muhammed or beheading videos where some fuck screams that allah is big while he cuts some poor guys throat?
hi people,
i m french, and i use to have a good opinion on arabic country even with all the mess ; but this time i m very disapointed by muslim people who are mad with these pictures. since a lot, lot of people drawn pictures about christian, jews, arabs, even political people even with french with a stupid face, or english or american, whatever.
i m french, i respect people and other culture, but i expect the same from others , if we are free in occident to make picture, they dont have to order us to stop it, and they dont have the right to burn embassys or else ; it sounds from another age.
these poor people are just manipulated by some political or i dont know what, and they just dont know what their are doing, i could say that even they lost the point of the meaning of their religion.
if i go to usa, i will respect usa laws, if i go to lebanon, i ll respect lebanon laws, and if they come to my country, then they must respect my laws.
if i want to draw a silly picture, i will and thats it.i m not under islamic law.
i m french, and i use to have a good opinion on arabic country even with all the mess ; but this time i m very disapointed by muslim people who are mad with these pictures. since a lot, lot of people drawn pictures about christian, jews, arabs, even political people even with french with a stupid face, or english or american, whatever.
i m french, i respect people and other culture, but i expect the same from others , if we are free in occident to make picture, they dont have to order us to stop it, and they dont have the right to burn embassys or else ; it sounds from another age.
these poor people are just manipulated by some political or i dont know what, and they just dont know what their are doing, i could say that even they lost the point of the meaning of their religion.
if i go to usa, i will respect usa laws, if i go to lebanon, i ll respect lebanon laws, and if they come to my country, then they must respect my laws.
if i want to draw a silly picture, i will and thats it.i m not under islamic law.
If they want to draw Muhammad, they can draw him. Same for drawnig anyone or anything for that matter.
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