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| I don't want anything to do with that! | 55% | 55% - 174 | 44% | 44% - 140 | ||
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You believe in some fictional characters overseeing your life...so you're wrong on that point...First of all ashley, christians dont believe in shit
Need I say more? I'd rather follow Garfield...they follow God.
Well many religious figures are bumming their own students and raping/abusing small children of any sex/age, its in the news all the time, how do you comment on that?The bible doesnt say people cant feel gay, it says not to act on it.
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Darth_Fleder wrote:
Proud to be a Christian.
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Hmmm I think I do, I strongly believe/understand it - evolution in the sense that nature and human life evolves naturally through science, not your ridiculous 'god' shite.Ashley I doubt you even understand atheism/evolution.
What a STUPID argument...show me the proof that the monster under my bed DOESN'T exist!!! OR how about you show me the proof that god DOES exist??God is not a fictional character. Can you please show me the evidence that he is(other than you cant see him)?
LOL, are those few not ENOUGH to see my point??? Even those that preach your silly tales are corrupt in mind and belief.Its not many religous figures
You've told us countless times that every god but your own is a fictional character. You are, by your own admission, an atheist. We just believe in one less God.JaMDuDe wrote:
Ashley I doubt you even understand atheism/evolution. God is not a fictional character. Can you please show me the evidence that he is(other than you cant see him)? Its not many religous figures, its small amount of catholic priests who are doing that stuff. I dont even believe what the catholics do is right.
JaMDuDe - I invite you to PROVE he/she/it isn't fictional.JaMDuDe wrote:
Ashley I doubt you even understand atheism/evolution. God is not a fictional character. Can you please show me the evidence that he is(other than you cant see him)? Its not many religious figures, its small amount of catholic priests who are doing that stuff. I dont even believe what the catholics do is right.
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The fact that there is NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to suggest he/she/it does is proof enough for me! LOLJaMDuDe wrote:
Ashley, in evolution nature and human life evolves through random mutations and natural selection, not science. I see that you have no evidence that God does not exist besides your own opinion.
Cameron I invite you to PROVE he doesnt exist.
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I'm going to go back to the theoretical question I posed a short time ago. If homosexuality is found to be medically caused, why would God create an imperfect being, and then doom them to suffer a life without intimate companionship, lest they go to Hell. Seems kind of heartless to me.JaMDuDe wrote:
First of all ashley, christians dont believe in shit, they follow God. The bible doesnt say people cant feel gay, it says not to act on it.
Well first off God, in His whimsicle manner, does have a sense of humor. I do not believe he put homosexualsAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I'm going to go back to the theoretical question I posed a short time ago. If homosexuality is found to be medically caused, why would God create an imperfect being, and then doom them to suffer a life without intimate companionship, lest they go to Hell. Seems kind of heartless to me.JaMDuDe wrote:
First of all ashley, christians dont believe in shit, they follow God. The bible doesnt say people cant feel gay, it says not to act on it.
Let me tell you a little story. Many years ago when I was a teenager my sister had a friend. They were of Hispanic background and good Catholics. This family had 4 children. All of them were completely normal, except for the second youngest. I watched that kid from the time before kids understand sexuality, and I saw the signs. That kid was going to be light in the loafers, no question about it. Once he hit his very late teens to early 20's he came "out of the closet".
Now please, please, oh please, tell me how a child can show signs of homosexuality before they develop mentally to a point where they understand or even think about sexuality, let alone homosexuality.
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Bring back negative karma.marinebio wrote:
Well first off God, in His whimsicle manner, does have a sense of humor. I do not believe he put homosexualsAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I'm going to go back to the theoretical question I posed a short time ago. If homosexuality is found to be medically caused, why would God create an imperfect being, and then doom them to suffer a life without intimate companionship, lest they go to Hell. Seems kind of heartless to me.JaMDuDe wrote:
First of all ashley, christians dont believe in shit, they follow God. The bible doesnt say people cant feel gay, it says not to act on it.
Let me tell you a little story. Many years ago when I was a teenager my sister had a friend. They were of Hispanic background and good Catholics. This family had 4 children. All of them were completely normal, except for the second youngest. I watched that kid from the time before kids understand sexuality, and I saw the signs. That kid was going to be light in the loafers, no question about it. Once he hit his very late teens to early 20's he came "out of the closet".
Now please, please, oh please, tell me how a child can show signs of homosexuality before they develop mentally to a point where they understand or even think about sexuality, let alone homosexuality.
on this planet to make them suffer eternal damnation. I do however believe He gave them a choice. I also know a bit of scripture where two cities were destroyed and anyone in those cities were killed and anyone who left those cities and looked back were turned into pilars of salt. Why you ask were these cities destroyed?? Because of there blatant lifestyles, lack of morality and just plain being smacktards.
Oh and by the way I am a Christian!! FTW!!!!
Secondly: A few years back I was told alcoholism was a disease and that it was passed herediteraly down the blood line of families. I have not seen or heard of any medical issues finding any gene that determines our vulnerability too alcohol none the less the same sex as partners. So with that said I believe God gives everyone the choice. Whether it be pre-teen children too adults, He see's no difference. It's up to the parent to teach good moral and ethical values to their children.
http://www.apahelpcenter.org/articles/article.php?id=31The American Psychological Association wrote:
Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?
No, human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. For most people, sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?
No; even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation through therapy, often coerced by family members or religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable. However, not all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people who seek assistance from a mental health professional want to change their sexual orientation. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people may seek psychological help with the coming out process or for strategies to deal with prejudice, but most go into therapy for the same reasons and life issues that bring straight people to mental health professionals.
What About So-Called "Conversion Therapies"?
Some therapists who undertake so-called conversion therapy report that they have been able to change their clients' sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Close scrutiny of these reports, however. show several factors that cast doubt on their claims. For example, many of these claims come from organizations with an ideological perspective that condemns homosexuality. Furthermore, their claims are poorly documented; for example, treatment outcome is not followed and reported over time, as would be the standard to test the validity of any mental health intervention.
The American Psychological Association is concerned about such therapies and their potential harm to patients. In 1997, the Association's Council of Representatives passed a resolution reaffirming psychology's opposition to homophobia in treatment and spelling out a client's right to unbiased treatment and self-determination. Any person who enters into therapy to deal with issues of sexual orientation has a right to expect that such therapy will take place in a professionally neutral environment, without any social bias.
Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?
No. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, a mental disorder, or an emotional problem. More than 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information.
In the past, the studies of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about such people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.
In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better-designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting this removal.
For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.
http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.htmlThe American Psychological Association wrote:
Mental Health of Lesbians and Gay Men
The psychiatric, psychological, and social-work professions do not consider homosexual orientation to be a mental disorder. More than 20 years ago, the American Psychiatric Association removed "homosexuality" from its list of mental disorders, stating that "homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities" (American Psychiatric Association, 1980). In 1975, the American Psychological Association took the same position and urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that had long been associated with homosexual orientation (American Psychological Association, 1975). The National Association of Social Workers has a similar policy (National Association of Social Workers, 1994).
The decision to remove homosexual orientation from the list of mental disorders reflects the results of extensive research, conducted over three decades, showing that homosexual orientation is not a psychological maladjustment
I see that you have decided to take our advice in guarded quantities, but you remain very confused.JaMDuDe wrote:
Ashley, in evolution nature and human life evolves through random mutations and natural selection, not science. I see that you have no evidence that God does not exist besides your own opinion.
Cameron I invite you to PROVE he doesnt exist.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BOY CHRISTIAN=SoG=PredatoR wrote:
Right there with you.Darth_Fleder wrote:
Proud to be a Christian.
That is laughable. Evidence my ringpiece!!! Oh yeah he sent his son to us here on planet earth - how'd he get here? Taxi from heaven? F*ckin hell. I wonder how Joseph reacted when the 'virgin' Mary told him she was up the duff!? LOL. If you think some crazy preacher spouting something about him being the 'son of god' consitutes evidence then you've got problems. What makes JC any better than that wacko in Waco?JaMDuDe wrote:
Evolution is science. Thats not what i ment. Ashley said life evolved through science. Life did not evolve through the observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
Cameron, theres not a shred of evidence that shows he doesnt exist. There is evidence that he exists. He sent his son here about 2000 years ago and Jesus was prophecied about hundreds of years before he came. Irreducible complexity, YOUR consciousness, the impossibility of spontaneous generation, the perfection and order of everything and more all point to a creator. He gave you free will and it all comes down to YOUR choice.
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Thats just a way of avoiding having to explain any scientific or realistic reasoning behind your pathetic beliefs. Why do the religious always avoid direct answers to the simplest questions? or instead providing swollen illrelevant paragraphs of nonsense that still tend to avoid a direct answer?God is, by necessity, beyond any method of measurement or proof
I guess that is pretty whimsical.marinebio wrote:
Well first off God, in His whimsicle manner, does have a sense of humor. I do not believe he put homosexuals
on this planet to make them suffer eternal damnation. I do however believe He gave them a choice. I also know a bit of scripture where two cities were destroyed and anyone in those cities were killed and anyone who left those cities and looked back were turned into pilars of salt. Why you ask were these cities destroyed?? Because of there blatant lifestyles, lack of morality and just plain being smacktards.
Oh and by the way I am a Christian!! FTW!!!!
those are catholics... they are goin to hell anywaysashleyhall wrote:
You believe in some fictional characters overseeing your life...so you're wrong on that point...First of all ashley, christians dont believe in shit
ashley.. have u ever thought that maybe God isnt fictional, or is ur head shoved up ur ass too far to understandNeed I say more? I'd rather follow Garfield...they follow God.
go ahead feel free to follow garfield, snoopy, or beetle bailey...Well many religious figures are bumming their own students and raping/abusing small children of any sex/age, its in the news all the time, how do you comment on that?The bible doesnt say people cant feel gay, it says not to act on it.
lol i needed to editSmitty5613 wrote:
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ashley.. have u ever thought that maybe God isnt fictional, or is ur head shoved up ur ass too far to understandNeed I say more? I'd rather follow Garfield...they follow God.
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go ahead feel free to follow garfield, snoopy, or beetle bailey...Well many religious figures are bumming their own students and raping/abusing small children of any sex/age, its in the news all the time, how do you comment on that?The bible doesnt say people cant feel gay, it says not to act on it.
those are catholics... they are goin to hell anyways
and by the way... evolution is not a science its a religion itself... it says there is no creator, and other religions say there is.... i depends on your viewpoint, if u have an IQ of 50 or less, then evolution is a science and not a religionashleyhall wrote:
Absolutely, Evolution IS science, the Christians and other religions conveniently adopted the term to suit...as with pretty much every aspect of their beliefs.
This whole 'prove he doesn't exist' thing....come on guys get real, there's not a SHRED of tangible evidence to prove he ever existed, its a load of made up shit, how can ANYONE believe in such rubbish??
Flying Pink Elephants exist...PROVE ME WRONG?Thats just a way of avoiding having to explain any scientific or realistic reasoning behind your pathetic beliefs. Why do the religious always avoid direct answers to the simplest questions? or instead providing swollen illrelevant paragraphs of nonsense that still tend to avoid a direct answer?God is, by necessity, beyond any method of measurement or proof