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Nappy wrote:

what about ww2 and the whole hitler thing trying to make a "superior race" or whatever... thats like a religion? or something

You said it yourself "superior RACE", nothing to do with religion, but race. Many of the "Jews" Hitler had killed where followers of Judaism. And saying its a religion is wrong as the Nazis where a cult/political party.

Last edited by doctastrangelove1964 (2007-07-23 08:25:04)

DrunkFace wrote:

since when were 'Jews' a race?
are Muslims a race?
are Christians a race?

Hitler made them out as a race, and to a certain extent they are. The Jews were wandering around Eastern Europe for centuries and kept getting thrown out of the area that they where in, so they suck together and developed into their own race. Also Hitler wanted a German "Master-race", not a master-religion. Religion only became his target when many clergy spoke out against him, so he had a large number of clergy of many religions killed because they said Hitler was bad.

tell you something funny, one day while in R.E class our teacher told us that jesus is god and god is jesus, i don't know were she pulled that one from her arse but i sat there laughin at her.

Orrish wrote:

tell you something funny, one day while in R.E class our teacher told us that jesus is god and god is jesus, i don't know were she pulled that one from her arse but i sat there laughin at her.

That's one of the central beliefs in Catholic Christianity ...it is bullshit though. Jesus was most probably a very cool dude, but he weren't no messiah.

Orrish wrote:

tell you something funny, one day while in R.E class our teacher told us that jesus is god and god is jesus, i don't know were she pulled that one from her arse but i sat there laughin at her.

I really Don't see why people don't understand That Jesus is God. God is Omnipresent meaning he is everywhere all at once, So why is it so hard to belive that God can be Jesus and God in Heaven at the same time. Here are some Scriptures that prove Jesus is God and God is Jesus.


(Exodus 3:14)

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM' has sent me to you. "

(John 8:58)

"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid Himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

(Isaiah 7:14)

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel.

(Matthew 1:22)

All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" - which means, "God with us."

(Isaiah 9:6)

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.

(Isaiah 10:21)

A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty God.

(Matthew 28:18)

"All authority in heaven and earth has been given to me."

(Revelation 1:8)

I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

(1 Timothy 6:13-15)

In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time - God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. (for further reference to God as King of kings, see Ps 136:3 and Deut 10:17)

(Revelation 17:14)

They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."

(Revelation 1:7-8)

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. "I am the Alpha and Omega," says the Lord God, " who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

(Revelation1:17-18)

... "I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!

(Revelation 22:12-13)

"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

(Revelation 22:20)

He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

(Revelation 2:8)

These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

(Isaiah 48:12)

"Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last."

(Isaiah 44:6)

"This is what the Lord says - Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

(Isaiah 43:10-11)

"You are my witnesses," declares the Lord, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed nor will there be one after me. I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior."

In Revelation 1:7-8, the Lord God (Jehovah) states He is the Alpha and Omega. Yet in that same verse the speaker, God (Jehovah), says He was pierced. Who was it that was actually pierced? Jesus. In Revelation 22:12-20 it is Jesus who claims He is the Alpha and Omega. In Isaiah 48:12 and 44:6 God, Jehovah says He is the first and the last. Yet again in Revelation 2:8, Jesus says He is the first and the last. Finally, Both God, Jehovah, and Jesus are described as "coming soon".

(John 5:39-40)

"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

(John 5:46)

If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

In the old testament, Moses was clearly writing about The Lord God (Jehovah). Yet Jesus clearly states Moses was writing about himself.

(Exodus 33:20)

"But", he said (God speaking to Moses), "You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

(Numbers 12:6-8)

(God speaking to Aaron and Miriam)
    "When a prophet of the Lord is among you, I reveal myself to him in visions, I speak to him in dreams. But this is not true of my servant Moses; he is faithful in all my house. With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the Lord.

God says no one may see His face and live. Yet He also says He speaks to Moses "face to face". How can this be? We cannot see God the father but we can see God the son, Jesus, God manifested in flesh. Jesus said Moses wrote about Him, Moses saw Him, Moses talked to Him.

(Titus 2:13-14)

...while we wait for the blessed hope - the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

(Jude 4)

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

(1 Corinthians 12:3)

Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed", and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit."

(Isaiah 9:1)

Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali  , but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordon.

There are tons of Scripture refrences that proves that God is Jesus, They are one. Theres no trinity and you can't find the word trinity even in the Bible.

Last edited by Shifty (2007-07-23 13:57:15)

I believe in Santa Claus. Don't question my belief. Who are You to tell me I'm wrong? I don't have to provide any evidence that he exist. I have faith.
Ppl have told stories about Santa Claus for centuries. He must be real.

Braddock wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

since when were 'Jews' a race?
are Muslims a race?
are Christians a race?

Being Jewish is a race/ethnicity, Judaism is the faith that is often referred to as Jewish.

No their not. A Jew (or Jewish people) are those that follow Judaism. You can be a black Jew a white Jew a Chinese Jew... Jewish people are not their own fucking race.
Its the same as Muslims, are all people who follow Islam, you can be white, black, Asian, middle eastern, whatever. Its a religion not a race.

Sure many of the Jewish people like to stick together, but the fact is anyone in the world can be Jewish, so long as they follow Judaism.

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Hitler made them out as a race, and to a certain extent they are. The Jews were wandering around Eastern Europe for centuries and kept getting thrown out of the area that they where in, so they suck together and developed into their own race. Also Hitler wanted a German "Master-race", not a master-religion. Religion only became his target when many clergy spoke out against him, so he had a large number of clergy of many religions killed because they said Hitler was bad.

Yes he wanted a mater Race and Jewish people did not fit to his ideals. But then either did, black people, gay people, Jehovah's Witnesses, physically and mentally disabled people, Roma's and Soviets. Jewish people were a majority but in no way were they singled out.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2007-07-23 21:29:38)

DrunkFace wrote:

Braddock wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

since when were 'Jews' a race?
are Muslims a race?
are Christians a race?

Being Jewish is a race/ethnicity, Judaism is the faith that is often referred to as Jewish.

No their not. A Jew (or Jewish people) are those that follow Judaism. You can be a black Jew a white Jew a Chinese Jew... Jewish people are not their own fucking race.
Its the same as Muslims, are all people who follow Islam, you can be white, black, Asian, middle eastern, whatever. Its a religion not a race.

Sure many of the Jewish people like to stick together, but the fact is anyone in the world can be Jewish, so long as they follow Judaism.

We had a big argument about this during RaVE class. In the end, the debate was settled by a compromise: However dumbass it may seem, the academic world recognises a Jew as being a specific ethnicity, if not a race seperate from the religion of Judaism. (links: 1 2)

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Hitler made them out as a race, and to a certain extent they are. The Jews were wandering around Eastern Europe for centuries and kept getting thrown out of the area that they where in, so they suck together and developed into their own race. Also Hitler wanted a German "Master-race", not a master-religion. Religion only became his target when many clergy spoke out against him, so he had a large number of clergy of many religions killed because they said Hitler was bad.

Yes he wanted a mater Race and Jewish people did not fit to his ideals. But then either did, black people, gay people, Jehovah's Witnesses, physically and mentally disabled people, Roma's and Soviets. Jewish people were a majority but in no way were they singled out.

They were singled out. Hitler had a specific 'hierachy' in that certain people were considered to be inherently superior/inferior to others. It went so far as German Jews were treated as superior to POLISH Jews. This DID have a noticable affect on the way they were mistreated.

Last edited by Spark (2007-07-24 04:22:14)

How can creationists argue, "what made the first cells then? why god did." as following on from this is...."so, what made god then" recieving an answer along the lines of "god was always there" or god made himself or similar. Logically it is more likely that in a few billion years enough random combinations of elements and conditions had occured to form the basis for the first life on earth taking a few more billion years to come to any form of intelligent life as opposed to the first "living" thing ever was not a very simple single celled organism but instead a fully formed, self sustaining all knowing sentient being with enough raw energy or at least the means to "create" the universe.

Now for God creating the laws of physics and then following them......how would you even start to consider creating the laws of physics? Say one day god is standing on the earth holding a rock. when he lets go of the rock, why does it fall? because he told it to? does that mean he told every rock to fall in the same way? well that would be quite time consuming so he must have a way of making all that is and all that has yet to be to essentially have intelligence.

The alternative is obviously to say well god created gravity. ah ah ah wait a minute. a thought just hit me.

Due to huge energy emmisions involved in the "theoretical" big bang, we can currently observe a large level of background radiation in the form of shifted microwaves. This allows us to date the universe. Now if Gods creationism happened should we not observe the effect of 6 different high energy releases? one for creating land, one for creating water and a huge one for creating life? now unless god made everything all at once and was in essence just a catalyst for the big bang followed on by the atheist view of evolution.....is that really the view of god that he was nothing more than a catalyst billions of years ago? no. at least not traditionally.

Now why doesnt God make everybody believe in him and stop killing each other and sinning etc, he is after all, all-powerful. Why does he not? supposedly because then life would be boring or we wouldnt have choice or some such. So i ask you what is the difference between doing that and living in heaven? Does God just create people to go straight to hell? he knows they will be evil as he created them so. Why create them in the first place?