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I am a proud American Red Neck! Dee Dee Dee!

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I dont recall any countrys coming to our aid during Hurricane Katrina that took most of 2 or 3 states? Hmmm.

I wonder why that is?

atlvolunteer wrote:

LaidBackNinja wrote:

whittsend wrote:

Not so.  Several of your neighbors have a problem with your drugs policy.

DON'T even get me started on drugs policies.
Just consider this:
Our neighbours are pissed because we 'somewhat allow marhiuana'
But every-fucking-body drinks alcohol like it's fucking candy.
Now YOU tell ME how mariuhana is any worse? It's this fucking hypocrisy that makes me sick.
Everybody lay off the alcohol, THEN we can talk about marhiuana. Just remember that alcohol is a HARD-DRUG compared to those little joints you can carry around here. I know this is kinda unrelated to the whole America thing, but seriously. STOP fucking WHINING about some weed when ALCOHOL is messing everything the fuck up.
Not saying marhiuana is good for you, only a hell of a lot less worse then alcohol.

I must say I agree with you on this.  The reasoning behind making Marijuana illegal in the US has never been based on its supposed bad effects.  Now they claim it should remain illegal because it is a "gateway drug."  What a bunch of BS.  If they actually regulated it like alcohol, it would be harder for minors to get than it is right now.  Not to mention the taxes that would be collected (plus they wouldn't be wasting all of the resources and money trying to bust people for Marijuana possession/sales).
I'm sure the alcohol industry has a hand in keeping Marijuana illegal in the US.
Here is a pretty good rant on this:
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/ … legal.html

Props to you mate.

spacebandit72 wrote:

Spark wrote:

As for the al-Qaeda connection.

Saddam Hussein is one of bin Laden's chief enemies. The reason he is so involved in this conlfict is because once again, American troops (or 'infidels') are on arab ('sacred') territory. That's why he hates Saddam. That's why one of his top agents (al-Zarqawi) is conduction the Iraqi insurgency.

I'm sorry but that makes no since.
If bin ladin hates Hussein... why would he care if we went in to kill him?
Just the fact of us being there would'nt make bin ladin blame Hussein. I believe they are just exploiting the situation by taking advantage of picking a few of us off while they can.
Both Hussein and Bin ladin hate us and want us all dead. Why would'nt they work together for the same goal?
I'll even go a little further and sugest that Iraq, Al-Qaeda, Seria, and Iran are conspiring to take us out. As we continue to loose people over there, they want to weaken us and keep our attention on Iraq while Iran continues building wmd with supplies sneeked to Seria from Iraq!!!
Sound far fetched?
So did using airplanes as bombs.

Did he care? Was there any indication of resistance from al-Qaeda in the early phases of the war? I think not...

HIS problem, as I stated, is because bin Laden is FURIOUS that 'infidels' are on Muslim soil. This, people must understand, is the basis of many things

This is the reason he hates Saddam (his invasion of Kuwait drew in America and its allies)

This is the reason he hates America (see above)

This is the reason there is an al-Qaeda sponsored insurgency in Iraq

This is the reason he is fine with us as long as we stay th hell away from the Middle East, and is offering a truce (throws BIG caution tot he winds, as there is no evidence he really means it)

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How about introducing compulsary voting (like we have here)? Hefty fines for any who don't vote (few thousand bucks, I don't know)

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atlvolunteer is right. I know people with excellent IQ's (125+) but have mediocre academic results.

However, I have to disagree with him again there. Yes, there might be, what, TWO people who knew thy were 'lieutenants' (if they were actually there. again, no evidence as of yet). That still leaves quite a few corpses that are unanswered for.

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?Badcow68 wrote:

I am a American. I love my country, as most love their own. As others will agree, I would die to protect my country. Germany still gets sh!t about WW2 even after 50 yrs. I would like to see the US pull out of the middle east and return home. I would also like all the overseas bases to close.

When something happens in the world, we are the first that is suppose to help and the last to interfear. Robbin Williams had a plan a few yrs back about what the US should do and I agree. We will not interfear with the rest of the world, be it Iran, Iraq, quake or floor. We will protect our own boarders and no others. We will work on fixing the hungery in the US, not Africa or anywheres else. We can offer the middle east so much for a barrel of oil and drill in Alaska if need be. If the middle east has a few more barrels of oil laying around and not as much money from it, who knows?

We have to be the biggest contributers to fix any problem anywheres in the world but are never right about doing it. We never do enought. So be it. We, as people of earth, are doomed to destroy the earth and find someone to blame for it. We, as in all people, can not help but fight or complain.

One of the thing I enjoy most about BF2 is the ablity to meet and work in a team with people from around the world. Even if its in a war.

Thankyou, for reminding me and everyone else that there are still intelligent Americans out there, who are not so self-centered as to be arseholes.

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Everyone deserves credit ont he tsunami appeals (except those people in Qatar and the UAE, who were disinclined to drop a cent).

To add to my own countries list. A billion AUS$ from the government. A few hundred million from its people. Two batallions of the army, who flew in medical supplies, water, food and (most importantly) water purification machines. These people even GAVE THEIR LIVES to help the tsunami victims (LITERALLY).

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Horseman, you are impossible to read. I lost count fo your posts and I still haven't got a lock on your opinion.

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Something, though, this past year seriously disturbed me.

New Orleans. Post-Katrina.

Bush says "situations like this bring out the best in Americans"

Then it reports that stranded people in NEw Orleans are shooting at the very people trying to help them.

What, do you REALLY need help? Or is the Superpower unable to stand on its own two feet? Several countries in the tsunami (Thailand for one) REFUSED international aid. It's like this 'Thank you very much for the offer, but I really don't need it'.

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Orion, please face the facts.

The reason people want to come to America is because the AVERAGE (empahsis) standard of living is bettered only by Luxembourg.

Oh yeah. By the way, if you wan to see roos, come to Canberra. We've got tons. Actually, we've got too many, and people are getting annoyed

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CO2 emissions. The reason I am so touchy about this is because the stuff you pour out of your factories is giving us in Oz skin cancer. It's no wonder we have the highest rates of melanoma in the world. What with the largest coastline = lots of beaches (famous ones, too. Bondi, Surfers' Paradise). This is not an internal problem. Maybe YOU don't care because it doesn't affect YOU (that much), but it sure as hell affects us.

WE were polluting the atmosphere long before the IR.

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jarhedch wrote:

read the news lately spark?

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation … id=1517986

Read the posts lately? I acknowledged a few al-Qaeda agents has been killed (so I retract that part of my previous post), but I got this information from my news, and losing a few agents, as I said before, is a small price to pay when you can replace thim with hundreds of young, fanatic Muslims who are pro-taliban, pro-al-Qaeda, because of this attack.

The point is, regardless of who it killed, this bomb is now causing a huge show of suppor tin Pakistan for terrorist organisations.

QWERTZUIOP wrote:

Horseman and Erkut when will you stop with all this "we saved your asses in WW2 and now you should be grateful and admire us for everything we do no matter what it is".

Yeah and as if the middle east could easily invade Europe. You know we got some nukes over here too just in case....

Its more likely that the Chinese will come to you or to us someday and then we should better work together because they will be 99999999999999 people then.

oh come on.. its fun

Mr. Spark HUH? WHen did any ANZAC become a major player on the world stage? AUS New Zealand? pls get a life or make  a post that makes a point....What was the last thing an ANZAC unit or gov did? OHHH thats right nothing 2 bats wooo hoooo talk when you guys can send more than 2 bats anywhere in the world. Talk when your gov can give away more than the state of calif does... You GNP is lower than one of our states pls get over you self... Aus and new Zealand are about as close to being a worls power as South Africa. Give me break what world do you live in?

Orion5413 wrote:

Mr. Spark HUH? WHen did any ANZAC become a major player on the world stage? AUS New Zealand? pls get a life or make  a post that makes a point....What was the last thing an ANZAC unit or gov did? OHHH thats right nothing 2 bats wooo hoooo talk when you guys can send more than 2 bats anywhere in the world. Talk when your gov can give away more than the state of calif does... You GNP is lower than one of our states pls get over you self... Aus and new Zealand are about as close to being a worls power as South Africa. Give me break what world do you live in?

hmm... did you even READ my post?

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If you read my post, jarhedch, the reason I wrote that post was after reeading an article in the paper. Two articles, actually, on separate days, and watching a news report. And that thing about the 'al-Qaeda Recruitment Office' is a figure of speech, if you didn't realise.

Here's my backup, as I can't find the CT article on the net (the canberra times website is crap)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4614486.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast … da.strike/
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiap … da.strike/
http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror … otests.htm
http://us.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/01 … airstrike/

Hell, just look at this page and go from there: http://infospace.abcnews.com/_1_9VZU3M0 … 2Bpakistan

These are more than 'shreds'

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CO2 levels.

I agree it's a natural change. It's called the carbon cycle. But these changes usually take place over  a few million years. Something like, I don't know, 10ppm rise in a million years. Instead of 10ppm rise in 3 years. Something's not right here.

Proof: Look at this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carb … 00kyr.png\ Taken from 5 completely different places and the same. This proves that this is GLOBAL and REAL.

You see here that we have made the CO2 level higher than ever experience by modern humans (being Homo Sapiens)

Methane, toom, has risen incredibly fast in the last few centuries. Again, this is usually a very slow proccess. And it's damaging too. A mehtane release over a period of tens of thousands of years can result in a MASS EXTINCTION. It is possibly associated with the Permian extinction.
Remember, in geological terms, 'rapid' is a period longer than that of recorded human history. More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian_ex … sification
and
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/20 … died.shtml

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As for you, where's your evidence? Or are you a hypocrite?

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Pubic wrote:

Orion5413 wrote:

Mr. Spark HUH? WHen did any ANZAC become a major player on the world stage? AUS New Zealand? pls get a life or make  a post that makes a point....What was the last thing an ANZAC unit or gov did? OHHH thats right nothing 2 bats wooo hoooo talk when you guys can send more than 2 bats anywhere in the world. Talk when your gov can give away more than the state of calif does... You GNP is lower than one of our states pls get over you self... Aus and new Zealand are about as close to being a worls power as South Africa. Give me break what world do you live in?

Until a few months ago, NZ had deployed its SAS to afghanistan so they could go down into caves and shoot al quada and the teleban, they were offered as soon as we knew that afghanistan was going to have the shit kicked out of it...though our troops are generally deployed for peacekeeping missions.  The US might have found New Zealand troops at their side in Iraq if the US actually recognised our right to be completely nuclear free, but I guess that ain't happening...you yanks have always been a bit funny on the whole nuclear thing...

We don't send a lot of troops overseas because we don't have a large military, nor a large population to draw troops from...4 million people total, some of your cities are bigger than that.  But then, we're in the arse-end of the pacific; we share no land boundaries, our neighbours (Australia and a few pacific island nations) are all friends and allies, and we don't seem to piss off anyone else.

Yeah that's a good point. But Mr. Howard has a knack for pissing of our neighbours in trying to turn us into America Down Under. And he's pissing off his people too, for different reasons.

ArMaG3dD0n wrote:

@ mcminty

Yeah but that s just a theory. To be honest it appears to be a little far fetched. But that s just me. If this is true you could say that we can do shit about reducing CO2 emissions and therefor should stop caring about it at all.

I really was trying to find any rebuttal I could. On that arguement, I had bitten off more than I could chew.

atlvolunteer wrote:

mcminty wrote:

Also look at this
Its about IQ in relation to Politics. Go here http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm. Well worth the look for those that hate bush.

There is a major flaw with that "study".

This IQ data is based on SAT/ACT test scores.

Last I checked, you couldn't get someones IQ from the SAT or ACT scores.

Many of those tests are essentially an IQ test. Even still, it doesn't change the results. Take the "IQ's" as representation for a particular SAT score. The higher the SAT score the higher the "IQ". Results still stand.

Orion5413 wrote:

So we dont feed the world hmmm so how much food stuffs does you country export? or for that mater the EU?

Even IF the USA would export more food than anyone else which I think it doesnt, what exactly is your point. Its not like you d be giving this food away for free you get MONEY for it and thats why you export it not to feed everyone because you want to help them or sth.

Orion5413 wrote:

How much money does your country send to the 3rd world?

I gathered some information about this:
I think Germany is currently spending 0,28% of its money (bruttoinlandsprodukt....got no translation) on humanitary aid which is not the most compared to the rest of the EU.
The US: 0,13%

The countries of the EU are planing to raise this to 0,7% until 2012.

Did this answer your question?

Orion5413 wrote:

what other freedomes do we have well how about a free media or even free speach? last I checked alot of eu medai outlest are owned by the gov. Can you say bbc?

Yes thats right we do have some state owned media but it s not like they would be censoring everything they dont want ppl to hear. PLUS: We have MANY privately owned media which is kind of free like in the US. Did you actually want to tell me that there is no freedom of speech or free media in europe? Yeah nice try....Again: You insisted on the US citizens having more individual rights than anyone else in the world. You still havent answered my question which individual rights you are refering to. THerefor I conclude that you couldnt find any ---> there are none

Orion5413 wrote:

I am sure you where taught that your nation is the best and etc.

No in fact thinking our country is the best or patriotism is not found very often over here because of the wars etc. It s more likely that you have been taught your country is the best I would assume (quote: "the greatest country in the world").

Orion5413 wrote:

[...] ww2 [...] we rebuilt germany. You must have forgot that part.[...]

How many times do I have to repeat that WW2 is the past. We all know that your fathers father helped my fathers father out there but wtf does this have to do with the situation today?

Orion5413 wrote:

One more question when I was there...the turk poplulation was huge has it gotten any bigger 15 years later I can only assume as much. Therefore muslim  is starting to gain stregnth in your country along with the we hate america thing that could also explain a few things.

No I dont see the muslims in Europe as the source of American-critical feelings in Europe. You d know it when you d be living here.

btw. I totally agree with B.Schuss on the other topics....I like your posts.....

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LaidBackNinja wrote:

I live in a democracy just like you and I like it fine. It has nothing to do with the system of government, though I must admit I find yours a bit retarded. In my opinion the candidate who gets the popular vote should always win, no matter what. But that's besides the point.

Does anyone understand the Electoral College?

I am an American, and a Soldier to boot, fighting the "red scare" of the new millenium.  There's a lot of depressingly uninformed chatter on both sides of the debate, mixed with the occassional stunned reply from a neutral party.  The facts of the matter are these:

America is the new Rome.  We are conquering the world, peice by peice, through economic, sociological, propagandist or, when all else fails, military means.  Like Rome, we have so much momentum behind us, so much leverage over the rest of the global economy that we will only be stopped by our own decay.  Like a man of immeasurable mass who runs faster and faster, unable to be stopped by anything less than his loss of balance.  Before I continue, don't confuse me with an anti-American; while I am not political by any means, and could care less what animal is on my Commander-in-Cheif's campaign stickers, I believe in the principles which made my country great, and I endeavor to keep those principles alive if only in myself and the Soldiers I train and lead into combat.

Anyone who judges americans in general by what percentage of voters voted for the current president (by the way, less than half of the eligible populace voted, so disillusioned were the voters with the candidates) or by what you see in movies or on your version of the news, or what some hot-headed high school sophmore rattles off on the internet, is bigoted.  If you're pissed at this statement, then you're probably a bigot.  Though it's been said over and over again, no one part of a demographic can be used as a gauge for the rest.  I have had the priveledge of serving and living with British, German, Spanish, Egyptian, Danish, Finnish, Russian and Venezuelan Soldier and civilians, but these demographics are meaningless; every one of them were individual people, not cogs in some geopolitical machine.  The men I've killed haven't been Iraqis or Afghannis to me, they were simple men threatening me or my Soldiers, and that action was there death sentence.  Their deaths at my hands weren't about politics or slogans or any of that other bullshit:  it was war and in war people get killed.  Fuck politicians and their rhetoric, Soldiers don't fight for them.  We fight for each other, and anyone who argues otherwise has simply never been a Soldier.

Americans are simply people.  Civil and uncivil, angry and level-headed, rich and poor, etc etc.  Just like everybody else.  If you want to hate an american, fine.  If you want to hate Americans, that's fine too, but know up front that you're a racist and a bigot.  The same goes for anyone who says that they hate un-Americans, or the French, or Europeans, or whatever.

welcometotheempire wrote:

America is the new Rome.  We are conquering the world, peice by peice, through economic, sociological, propagandist or, when all else fails, military means.  Like Rome, we have so much momentum behind us, so much leverage over the rest of the global economy that we will only be stopped by our own decay.  Like a man of immeasurable mass who runs faster and faster, unable to be stopped by anything less than his loss of balance.

Nonsense.  The differences between Rome and the US vastly outnumber the similarities.  Iraq, while unfortunate, is not evidence of some American conspiracy to control the world.  In a few years when that idiot we elected is gone, and (hopefully) we have somebody a bit more even tempered running our foreign policy, it will be plain what a ridiculous statement that is.

ArMaG3dD0n wrote:

All I was trying to say is that the US is not the only country trying to help which is what Orion5413 implied.

You clearly implied that the US actually gives less than other countries...further implying that they do not give enough (falling short of EU targets).  I am not backing up Orion's statements (I'm sure other countries give plenty), but I'm not going to watch someone imply (or say) Americans are cheap when it comes to charitable giving, when it is quite clearly not true.