BF2S Forums $704 (Annual Cost of Socialised Medicare)

Harmor wrote:

I would like to remind you that the UK had to import doctors because they make about 1/2 what American doctors make.  Since Doctors in the UK imports about 50% of its doctors...and 7 of the 8 Doctor terrorists exploited that system.


So if Socialize Medicine changes the immigration policy to allow more foreign doctors.  And more foreign doctors lead to an easier way for terrorists to get into the UK, does it mean that Socialized Medicine perpetuate terrorism?  Just something to think about.

We've already been over this in your stupid thread dedicated to this very topic. It was a stupid idea then, it's a stupid idea now - and it's completely nonsensical.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Cougar wrote:

BN wrote:

Cougar wrote:

$1894.73


That's how much I paid to go see a doctor and have him do little more than scribble on a piece of paper and write me a prescription for Vicoden.

I also paid out of pocket for the pills.


THANKS AMERICAN MEDICAL SYSTEM, YOU ROCK!!

Can you explain that a bit better? i dont fully undertand any other systems.

$1894.73 was a once off fee? Yearly?
How much were the pills?

Basically I had a bout of Pluriesy. I went to the doctor because I thought I was having a heart attack.  They let me sit in a room for nearly an hour before I was even looked at, then I got put in some machine that spun around me for 20 seconds and told them nothing.  Then I sat in a room for another hour and a half and got a prescription.

I don't have the bill with me at the moment, but it was something to the effect of:

$1000 for CATScan +Operators Fees, Equipment Fees, etc (for 20 seconds of use.)
$700 to the hospital, for the room, doctor and processing fees (I guess)
$184.73 to buy the KY they used to lube my asshole up with before they raped it.

I think I would much rather pay $700 more in taxes.

The bill for you in Australia: $0

BN wrote:

Harmor wrote:

7 of the 8 Doctor terrorists in the latest UK bombings did this very thing.  Perhaps if more bombings like this occurs then you'll come to my side.

Lets ban teachers too, call centre operators, kebab vendors. BAN EM ALL.

We should ban anyone who preaches extremism, in any form, that promotes killing our own citizens.  I just find it funny that people don't realize when relaxing their immigration policy they are actually more in danger.  There's a balance between tolerance and safety.

We desperately need socialized medicine here, but insurance companies probably will block every attempt at setting up a system.  Oh well, Canada looks pretty good right now.

usmarine2005 wrote:

Captain_Iron_shooter wrote:

You had no money for Health Care before Iraq, and you won't have money for that after. Well ..... depends on how your Gov. decide to spend it.

http://www.uuforum.org/deficit.htm

Apparently we did have money before 9/11.  Where did it go?

More like where did it come from????  they cut somewhere??? Or you just had a really good economy in those years ??  Also don't look at surplus as cash in the bank. Instead of borrowing money (Gov Bond, treasury bond, etc.) the next year they use that surplus money, they did the same for all the "surplus" years. Probably Slowing the debt growth, but your debt is so high that just the interest rate make it grow real fast.

So you just use those surplus to pay for things that you would have usually borrowed money to pay. In clear you need to control your National Debt, before it brings you down.

Turquoise wrote:

We desperately need socialized medicine here, but insurance companies probably will block every attempt at setting up a system.  Oh well, Canada looks pretty good right now.

Why so many Canadians come to America for treatment?  When you have to wait 4 months for a simple MRI that could save your life...why would you want that type of health care?

Captain_Iron_shooter wrote:

[ why not. it's their choice.

It's our choice also.  If I do not have insurance, I go to a public hospital.  If I have insurance, I have choices.

http://www.terrabite.org/

apply idea.
problem solved.
























not.

Last edited by jetxburned (2007-07-17 21:23:12)

usmarine2005 wrote:

Captain_Iron_shooter wrote:

[ why not. it's their choice.

It's our choice also.  If I do not have insurance, I go to a public hospital.  If I have insurance, I have choices.

I wonder if you could have private insurance if you didn't have to pay so much in taxes for public hospital?

Our President said in the State of the Union speech that he wanted to have insurance be pre-tax dollars and Medical Savings accounts.  That way you can put part of your paycheck to an account, that gets interest, and then whatever you don't use at the end of the year is yours or you can roll-it over to the next year.

a relative of mine had to go to hospital a few months ago with an ambulance. and spent 8 days in a specialist unit it cost around 8$ per day, including all medicins, food 3 times a day and everything one could expect. And great staff love them

Captain_Iron_shooter wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

We desperately need socialized medicine here, but insurance companies probably will block every attempt at setting up a system.  Oh well, Canada looks pretty good right now.

Why so many Canadians come to America for treatment?  When you have to wait 4 months for a simple MRI that could save your life...why would you want that type of health care?

Well that's why some of us want a mix system. Waiting for an MRI is not for me, there is private clinic where you can get those services for 500$ or so. But those who wait either don't have the money or just don't want to pay. (understandable they paid all of their life for this , why pay more)

the problem is that we have the scanners, but hospitals have money (and personel) to make it run a set amount of time. Private sector would like to rent the scanner and use it when it available to treat more people (at lower cost) , but private and public sector don't mix to well in our culture, particularly in the healthcare sector.

As for treatment of patient on your side of the border, if they have the money.... why not. it's their choice.

Well, if we go by the WHO's rankings of healthcare systems, then France is the place to live.....

1         France
2         Italy
3         San Marino
4         Andorra
5         Malta
6         Singapore
7         Spain
8         Oman
9         Austria
10        Japan
11        Norway
12        Portugal
13        Monaco
14        Greece
15        Iceland
16        Luxembourg
17        Netherlands
18        United  Kingdom
19        Ireland
20        Switzerland
21        Belgium
22        Colombia
23        Sweden
24        Cyprus
25        Germany
26        Saudi Arabia
27        United  Arab  Emirates
28        Israel
29        Morocco
30        Canada
31        Finland
32        Australia
33        Chile
34        Denmark
35        Dominica
36        Costa Rica
37        United  States  of  America
38        Slovenia
39        Cuba
40        Brunei
41        New Zealand
42        Bahrain
43        Croatia
44        Qatar
45        Kuwait
46        Barbados
47        Thailand
48        Czech Republic
49        Malaysia
50        Poland

Maybe learning French isn't such a bad idea....

Turq:

Where the hell are Russia and China on that list?

usmarine2005 wrote:

Turq:

Where the hell are Russia and China on that list?

Russia is 130 and China is 144

51        Dominican Republic                    121       Niue
52        Tunisia                                    122       Pakistan
53        Jamaica                                    123       Micronesia
54        Venezuela                                    124       Bhutan
55        Albania                                    125       Brazil
56        Seychelles                                    126       Bolivia
57        Paraguay                                    127       Vanuatu
58        South     Korea                    128       Guyana
59        Senegal                                    129       Peru
60        Philippines                                    130       Russia
61        Mexico                                    131       Honduras
62        Slovakia                                    132       Burkina   Faso
63        Egypt                                    133       Sao Tome and Principe
64        Kazakhstan                                    134       Sudan
65        Uruguay                                    135       Ghana
66        Hungary                                    136       Tuvalu
67        Trinidad and Tobago                    137       Ivory Coast
68        Saint     Lucia                                    138       Haiti
69        Belize                                    139       Gabon
70        Turkey                                    140       Kenya
71        Nicaragua                                    141       Marshall Islands
72        Belarus                                    142       Kiribati
73        Lithuania                                    143       Burundi
74        Saint Vincent  and the   Grenadines    144       China
75        Argentina                                    145       Mongolia
76        Sri  Lanka                                    146       Gambia
77        Estonia                                    147       Maldives
78        Guatemala                                    148       Papua New Guinea
79        Ukraine                                    149       Uganda
80        Solomon   Islands                    150       Nepal
81        Algeria                                    151       Kyrgystan
82        Palau                                    152       Togo
83        Jordan                                    153       Turkmenistan
84        Mauritius                                    154       Tajikistan
85        Grenada                                    155       Zimbabwe
86        Antigua   and Barbuda                    156       Tanzania
87        Libya                                    157       Djibouti
88        Bangladesh                                    158       Eritrea
89        Macedonia                                    159       Madagascar
90        Bosnia-Herzegovina                    160       Vietnam
91        Lebanon                                    161       Guinea
92        Indonesia                                    162       Mauritania
93        Iran                                    163       Mali
94        Bahamas                                    164       Cameroon
95        Panama                                    165       Laos
96        Fiji                                     166       Congo
97        Benin                                    167       North Korea
98        Nauru                                    168       Namibia
99        Romania                                    169       Botswana
100       Saint Kitts and Nevis                    170       Niger
101       Moldova                                    171       Equatorial Guinea
102       Bulgaria                                    172       Rwanda
103       Iraq                                    173       Afghanistan
104       Armenia                                    174       Cambodia
105       Latvia                                    175       South     Africa
106       Yugoslavia                                    176       Guinea-Bissau
107       Cook Islands                                    177       Swaziland
108       Syria                                    178       Chad
109       Azerbaijan                                    179       Somalia
110       Suriname                                    180       Ethiopia
111       Ecuador                                    181       Angola
112       India                                    182       Zambia
113       Cape Verde                                    183       Lesotho
114       Georgia                                    184       Mozambique
115       El   Salvador                                    185       Malawi
116       Tonga                                    186       Liberia
117       Uzbekistan                                    187       Nigeria
118       Comoros                                    188       Democratic Republic of   the Congo
119       Samoa                                    189       Central   African   Republic
120       Yemen                                    190       Myanmar