BF2S Forums $704 (Annual Cost of Socialised Medicare)

Bubbalo wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

how many people live in those countries as compared to the US that would make use of such plans?  i'm talking about the older people and chronically sick - not the generally heathy ones.  In the US, we have a huge portion of the population named the baby boomers who were born in the mid 40s to late 50s early 60s.  This generation is now entering the part of life where they will be making more and more use of medical care.  And...i didn't even mention the illegal aliens (all 12 million of them).

Wow............you just described Australia, New Zealand, and the UK.

Guess what else they have in common?

so what are those countries doing to combat illegal immigrants from leeching up all the services yet not paying their share of the taxes?

usmarine2005 wrote:

Captain_Iron_shooter wrote:

You had no money for Health Care before Iraq,

Is that so?

Everyone praised Clinton for his economy....so where did that money go?

I'll rephrase " you didn't want to spend it on healthcare then....."

Captain_Iron_shooter wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Captain_Iron_shooter wrote:

You had no money for Health Care before Iraq,

Is that so?

Everyone praised Clinton for his economy....so where did that money go?

I'll rephrase " you didn't want to spend it on healthcare then....."

But where did that money go?  You see what we spend on Iraq.  Where the fuck was that money going before?

Uh............right.  It's really not that hard.  You print it up like a credit card, you know with the raised numbers?  Only the numbers are letters, which spell out name.  Every family gets a card with all their names on it.  You go to the doctor, and you have your card and ID (e.g. drivers license, passport, etc.).  The government organisation responsible (in our case, Medicare) pays, either through the doctor bulk billing, or through re-imbursing the patient (atm the biggest problem is a lot of doctors don't bulk bill, meaning you have to have the cash to go in the first place).  Also, there are incentives for those who can afford private healthcare to get it.

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

how many people live in those countries as compared to the US that would make use of such plans?  i'm talking about the older people and chronically sick - not the generally heathy ones.  In the US, we have a huge portion of the population named the baby boomers who were born in the mid 40s to late 50s early 60s.  This generation is now entering the part of life where they will be making more and more use of medical care.  And...i didn't even mention the illegal aliens (all 12 million of them).

Wow............you just described Australia, New Zealand, and the UK.

Guess what else they have in common?

so what are those countries doing to combat illegal immigrants from leeching up all the services yet not paying their share of the taxes?

In Australia you cant get services without a medicare card unless you pay full fee.

we also have GST which helps combat income tax envasion.

usmarine2005 wrote:

But where did that money go?  You see what we spend on Iraq.  Where the fuck was that money going before?

With 8+ trillion$ debt I would imagine that some of the money went there, to control your debt, however i doubt that.

you went from 236 billion surplus under Clinton to 413 billion deficit a the end of bush first term. but that only the annual budget.

Where that money was going before??? you didn't have it, America lives (and fight the war) on borrowed money. Surplus don't mean that much when there's 8T$ of debt around the corner.

Now since your the largest economy in the world you can support it (don't know for how long) but Bush 2008 budget would put you on the right track to join us with your brand new socialized healthcare system by 2012 or sooner, if you wish to spend your borrowed money there.

Actual US National Debt 8,881,977,300,074.75 $ (Closing on 9T............WOW)

here a quote a found surfing around :

The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled." -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

BN wrote:

$704 AUS
$614 US
$445 EURO
301 GB POUNDS
$641  CANADIAN

This is how much I pay for socialised medicare per year.

I think it is a very small price to pay for free doctors, subsidised medication, free hospital care etc.

Not a bad deal I think.

Anyone think otherwise...agree...disagree?

Guess how long I have to wait for a transplant if I need one? guess how many doctors I can choose from when the government isn't choosing them for me?

Well no kidding we took a hit after 9/11.

war is a costly business

ts-pulsar wrote:

LT.Victim wrote:

Because it is..

You pay Taxes, We pay Taxes, Our taxes go toward Health Care and Education, and yours goes to fight the war in Iraq, not our fault your President doesn't know how to run a country..

Wow, what a warped world we live in where people think something is free because taxes paid for it

Agreed.  I guess if you never got it (saw it in your bank account), they think you never got it and thus whatever they get for their taxes they think its free because...well their employer paid their taxes.


We are angry at the oil companies because when we goto the pump we see the cost immediately.  Remember that stink a couple of years ago about the rising Bank Fees?  The $1 charges banks charged to use ATMs...those type of charges people see, whereas taxes that are taken out of your check every 2 weeks you don't see and thus think its free.

Harmor wrote:

So if Socialize Medicine changes the immigration policy to allow more foreign doctors.  And more foreign doctors lead to an easier way for terrorists to get into the UK, does it mean that Socialized Medicine perpetuate terrorism?  Just something to think about.

Lets think about that.

i become a terrorist.

Study 5 years at uni
2 years residency
Maybe specialise in gynaecology if your a dirty bastard

7 years later move to England to launch Jihad.

Pretty far fetched.

BN wrote:

Cougar wrote:

$1894.73


That's how much I paid to go see a doctor and have him do little more than scribble on a piece of paper and write me a prescription for Vicoden.

I also paid out of pocket for the pills.


THANKS AMERICAN MEDICAL SYSTEM, YOU ROCK!!

Can you explain that a bit better? i dont fully undertand any other systems.

$1894.73 was a once off fee? Yearly?
How much were the pills?

Basically I had a bout of Pluriesy. I went to the doctor because I thought I was having a heart attack.  They let me sit in a room for nearly an hour before I was even looked at, then I got put in some machine that spun around me for 20 seconds and told them nothing.  Then I sat in a room for another hour and a half and got a prescription.

I don't have the bill with me at the moment, but it was something to the effect of:

$1000 for CATScan +Operators Fees, Equipment Fees, etc (for 20 seconds of use.)
$700 to the hospital, for the room, doctor and processing fees (I guess)
$184.73 to buy the KY they used to lube my asshole up with before they raped it.

I think I would much rather pay $700 more in taxes.

usmarine2005 wrote:

LT.Victim wrote:

You pay Taxes, We pay Taxes, Our taxes go toward Health Care and Education, and yours goes to fight the war in Iraq, not our fault your President doesn't know how to run a country..

Where did that money for Iraq go before Iraq then?

Into the US war machine.

US defence expenditure could easily be cut to pay for a totally free healthcare system, whilst still being at least 50% higher  than the next biggest defence spender.

Taxes wouldn't need to go up for US citizens to have free healthcare. You could just cut the defence budget a bit.