BF2S Forums Relegalization of Marijuana

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Well, for all you people who seem to think that smoking weed is good for you, I sure as hell hope you're right... Because apparently what you're doing now will effect your children's, and possibly your children's children's genes.

Neat stuff called epigenetics -- the reason why identical twin's DNA differs after decades of different choices and according to a recent show I saw could potentially effect decedents down the line.  Give new meaning to "puff puff pass" eh?

If you're going to make a claim that is false, try to provide a link to back up your opinion.

Sources say that smoking marijuana DURING pregnancy can lead to birth abnormalities, but there is nothing saying the smoking marijuana in general when not pregnant will cause future-not-currently-happening birth abnormalities.

So it's the same as alcohol and cigarettes, don't do it when you're pregnant.

Last edited by citricacidx (2007-07-04 08:08:36)

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Well, for all you people who seem to think that smoking weed is good for you, I sure as hell hope you're right... Because apparently what you're doing now will effect your children's, and possibly your children's children's genes.

Neat stuff called epigenetics -- the reason why identical twin's DNA differs after decades of different choices and according to a recent show I saw could potentially effect decedents down the line.  Give new meaning to "puff puff pass" eh?

Only if you smoke it (or use it at all) while pregnant.

Since I am extremely unlikely to ever get pregnant, it doesn't concern me.

The study that discovered this was conducted by Dr Marinel Ammenheuser of the university of Texas in '98, it was a study of pregnant mothers conducted on a relatively small scale.

The DNA abnormalities are typically associated with things like cancer which led them to the conclusion that:

Dr Ammenheuser wrote:

We can't actually make statements about cause and effect from our study, but we can say that marijuana smoking probably increases your risk of getting things like lung cancer, in much the same way that we know that tobacco smoking increases this risk.

My research indicates that smoking just a few marijuana joints seems to cause as much DNA damage as ten or more cigarettes.

More recent, bigger studies, conducted by more reputable scientists have found there to be a negative correlation between lung cancer and cannabis use. The findings of Dr Ammenheuser do hold true for pregnant women though, so if you're a pregnant woman, or around a pregnant woman - don't smoke weed.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-07-04 09:07:23)

Marijuana does not change your DNA/genes. If smoked WHILE pregnant it might interfere with the development of the child, but it does not change your DNA. So what you probably heard is the rumor about low testosterone levels in males and high testosterone levels in females and made your own assumptions.

Marijuana does not drops testosterone levels
"Behavioral, Neurochemical, and Neurohistological Effects of Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Nonhuman Primate" by William Slikker Jr. et al. in "Marijuana Cannabinoids Neurobiology and Neurophysiology" pp. . Laura Murphy, Andrzej Bartke ed. pub. CRC Press Boca Raton, FL, 1992.

Heavy marijuana use does not lower the sperm count in males?
"Marihuana A Signal of Misunderstanding " pub. U.S. Government Printing Office Washington, 1972.

Marijuana use by teenage girls does not impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, and fertility.
"Marihuana A Signal of Misunderstanding " pub. U.S. Government Printing Office Washington, 1972.

Last edited by citricacidx (2007-07-04 10:49:04)

I honestly don't know if marijuana is bad for you, good for you, or nothing at all.

But I really can't see why it shouldn't be legalised. I'm pretty sure cigarettes and alcohol are far more detrimental than weed, yet these are legal. I don't do any of these myself (I don't like any kind of smoke getting in my lungs ), but I still believe it should be a person's choice to do something as long as it isn't completely bad, i.e. murdering another person; that's a nono.

I'm speaking from a completely biased view when I say this but, the few people I knew at school at did weed are the ones that can't pass fucking Algebra. Now, I am sure that not all those who smoke are completely stupid or lazy, but the ones I personally know of are. I mean, how do you not pass/get credit for a class like Auto Shop. We did nothing strenuous, the bookwork was a matter of copying some words down from the book and yet, these guys are sneaking outside of the shop to take a smoke. I'm sorry, but these guys are probably the reason people have such a negative view on certain substances.

So basically, I don't really mind if marijuana becomes legal, I'd prefer it to do so since crime may go down. I'm just afraid of what the idiots that smoke will do, not the ones that are bound to use it responsibly.

Turquoise wrote:

There is one simple reason why marijuana is still illegal.  Breweries and big tobacco don't want a highly competitive product on the market.

If the government created a permit system for the purpose of growing marijuana and allowed tobacco companies access to these permits before everyone else, then it would be legalized in a matter of weeks.

Unfortunately, that's how our system works.  Regardless of the costs to society that the War on Drugs inflicts, utlimately the interests of corporations come before the interests of personal freedom and common sense.

There is a permit system. The "marijuana tax act" in which you buy a marijuana stamp in order to grow or sell. The marijuana stamp was never produced hence no one ever got one and cannot get one. Thanks Anslinger.

Last edited by Mason4Assassin444 (2007-07-04 11:47:58)

Turquoise wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

There is one simple reason why marijuana is still illegal.  Breweries and big tobacco don't want a highly competitive product on the market.

If the government created a permit system for the purpose of growing marijuana and allowed tobacco companies access to these permits before everyone else, then it would be legalized in a matter of weeks.

Unfortunately, that's how our system works.  Regardless of the costs to society that the War on Drugs inflicts, utlimately the interests of corporations come before the interests of personal freedom and common sense.

There is a permit system. The "marijuana tax act" in which you buy a marijuana stamp in order to grow or sell. The marijuana stamp was never produced hence no one ever got one and cannot get one. Thanks Anslinger.

Well, I mean one that wouldn't get you arrested for buying one.  There is currently a functional permit system for growing tobacco.

Personally, I think it should be legal to grow and sell tobacco and marijuana without a permit, but apparently, that's too free in the opinions of the corporations and the government.

Too free for the land of the free (and everywhere else). Sounds funny when you put it like that.



It's not like legalising weed would lead to the sort of situation that used to exist - where everyone, and I do mean everyone, was addicted to opium. 'Cos they'd give ot to babies you see, to make them shut up. Then they grew up and were hooked on opium, which was "ok" - 'cos they'd just go down the the chemist and buy some.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-07-04 12:48:43)

I would love for it to be legalized but there is a problem

Taxing it.
It can be grown anywhere in almost all types of environments.
Relativly simple to grow, while alcohol is not as easy to brew.

Smoking has been around for thousands of years.

If they did legalize cannabis they can use it for products
Hemp products such as hemp ropes, hemp paper and many other things.
We wouldn't have to cut down every big tree in the forest


Through sales, it would be sold like cigarettes.
Doing so will dramatically reduce in growing of Cannabis

konfusion wrote:

Smoking is slowly getting more and more restricted.

-konfusion

which is why Hookah bars are gaining major popularity in the US...

I do agree however that alcohol and Tobacco are too deeply ingrained in society for their proven detrimental effects to warrant illegality, where as the lies surrounding marijuana keep it from legality.

Research ideas for anyone interested:
1. Cannabis and Dupont
2. Harry J. Anslinger
3. The Shaffer Commission
4. Francis L. Young

Last edited by citricacidx (2007-07-18 18:06:52)

Turquoise wrote:

Likewise, by continuing to keep marijuana illegal, we just allow another market to be profitable for criminals.

We should legalize pot, in order to steal one of many markets from the criminal underworld.  The less markets they have, the better....

(semi-serious) Do we want our government to be in control of drugs, prostitution, and assassination contracts though?

DesertFox- wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Likewise, by continuing to keep marijuana illegal, we just allow another market to be profitable for criminals.

We should legalize pot, in order to steal one of many markets from the criminal underworld.  The less markets they have, the better....

(semi-serious) Do we want our government to be in control of drugs, prostitution, and assassination contracts though?

LOL...  well, I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution (and regulating it) and most drugs (the less addictive ones like pot, but not the hardcore ones like heroin and crack).

As for assassination contracts, I'd say our government does a fair share of that already....  At least, the NSA used to do that a lot.

A new statistic in Vancouver, world famous for leniency on enforcing marijuana laws, shows that we have doubled our efforts in penalizing the casual user. We do have a harsh policy against marijuana growers and dealers, however numerous they are. Vancouver marijuana is far more potent than other strains around the world, even the basic product, but is often laced with other materials.

Legalizing cannibis would fix some problems

Such as making room for dangerous criminals to put in jail.
Instead of barring all the stoners.

Cops may actually be doing something right by stoping criminals instead of pot heads