pfff we would go to war immediatly. were not part of N.A.T.O. for nothing.Turquoise wrote:
Good points... I guess my only remaining question is... if China invaded and conquered Canada and Mexico, would the U.S. support an insurgency in either country?
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True... With Iran crossing borders to attack us, that does give us more of a justification for retaliation.Kmarion wrote:
Is that an attempt to justify orders from the Qud's to Kill Americans?Turquoise wrote:
Good points... I guess my only remaining question is... if China invaded and conquered Canada and Mexico, would the U.S. support an insurgency in either country?
I know what you are getting at but let me answer this way.
How about if a country like Iraq invaded Kuwait. Would the world allow that?
Or how about if Russia decided to ship missile within 200 miles off the Florida coast. Would we allow that?
Does the course Iran has taken make it more or less likely they will be attacked? Is nearly the entire world (including Iranian civilians) beginning to realize Ahmadinejads intent?
I'll just put it this way. If we do escalate to all out war with Iran, we should probably do it the way that Harmor mentioned in his latest post in this thread.
Nation-building would not work at all in Iran, IMHO.
If we do we need to bring the world with us on this one. That's precisely what we are doing now by working with the UN and EU in our responses. An obvious problem being China and Russia have a lot to lose if Iran is attacked. Of course we just recently stopped selling them parts for their F-14's ourselves.
Last month. Stop Arming Iran Act
Last month. Stop Arming Iran Act
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With Sarcozy in France, I wonder if the EU will get on board? I suspect they will only support stricter sanctions, but won't actually commit.
I wonder, though, if they would use their veto in the security council? I'm sure Russia and China will because they do alot of business with Iran.
I wonder, though, if they would use their veto in the security council? I'm sure Russia and China will because they do alot of business with Iran.
Iran back Hisb'allah to oust Israel from the middle east. Hisb'allah operatives are not beholden to Iran only. And anyway, if Saudi are backing sunni militants then what's the big deal about Iran, if it is the case, backing shi'a militants? Did the US not back the UK in WWII?
When is the west going to fucking realise that we have NO FUCKING BUSINESS telling people all the way over there in the middle east how to run their fucking lives?
When is the west going to fucking realise that we have NO FUCKING BUSINESS telling people all the way over there in the middle east how to run their fucking lives?
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You're right its not a big deal. I mean they are only killing our soldiers and trying to destabilize Iraq by training and giving weapons to the terrorists that are car bombing innocent civilians day-in and day-out.
I mean its really us Americans that are killing the Iraqis and not the terrorists? Right?
I mean its really us Americans that are killing the Iraqis and not the terrorists? Right?
we call them terrorist beacuse they do what we do with only fewer numbers. I know thats not an accurate statement but to analyze and apply that statement to the situation gives you a diffrent outlook on it. ALL terrorism is wrong unless fighting to prevent occupation.Harmor wrote:
You're right its not a big deal. I mean they are only killing our soldiers and trying to destabilize Iraq by training and giving weapons to the terrorists that are car bombing innocent civilians day-in and day-out.
I mean its really us Americans that are killing the Iraqis and not the terrorists? Right?
Cam I'd like to see our men and women home just as much as you would like to see the US minding their own business. Most Americans felt they were minding their business pre-911. Instead, while Bill Clinton was dancing with Arafat anti-American resentment was building. Ali Mussa Daqduq has said specifically that he was under orders from the Qud's Force. Sorry but if he was, and he is responsible for killing our men, it directly links Iran to their deaths. That is our business irregardless. If you want the US out so bad go convince the Iraqi government... Please!! If they openly made a statement for US withdrawal it would leave Bush no choice. Instead they are dragging their feet on the most minor of benchmarks in order to commit us to staying.
Have no fear though. That vacuum of power will be ripe for the taking in September (me thinks).
Have no fear though. That vacuum of power will be ripe for the taking in September (me thinks).
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If you want to call the guys killing innocent civilians cupcakes, I don't care. You're trying to say our cupcake is their freedom fighter.
Need I remind you what these cupcakes are doing:
These cupcakes are destabilizing Iraq and we're stuck in the middle of it.
Its only a matter of time before these cupcakes to do their stuff over here...let them do it in Iraq. We already are starting to have homegrown cupcakes in western countries - look at the recent events in the UK for example - the JFK Fort Dix Six in the United States.
Cupcakes infiltrate into the populace...they have no country, they have no army, they have no uniform. That is why we have Gitmo to store these cupcakes indefinitely, but if our Supreme Court has anything to do with it they may actually have civilian court justice instead of military tribunals.
Be nice to Cupcakes, they will kill you last.
Need I remind you what these cupcakes are doing:
These cupcakes are destabilizing Iraq and we're stuck in the middle of it.
Its only a matter of time before these cupcakes to do their stuff over here...let them do it in Iraq. We already are starting to have homegrown cupcakes in western countries - look at the recent events in the UK for example - the JFK Fort Dix Six in the United States.
Cupcakes infiltrate into the populace...they have no country, they have no army, they have no uniform. That is why we have Gitmo to store these cupcakes indefinitely, but if our Supreme Court has anything to do with it they may actually have civilian court justice instead of military tribunals.
Be nice to Cupcakes, they will kill you last.
Capturing a Hezbollah leader is hardly concrete. That's like claiming US involvement in the Falklands war because they're allies of Britain.Kmarion wrote:
Share the evidence with us. I'd like to see it also (Providing it is just as concrete).
Besides which, since when were military intelligence members trustworthy?
It's what he and everyone else that was captured said. Along with the evidence seized. If you have something that diputes what he said provide it. Otherwise what you are saying is speculation.Bubbalo wrote:
Capturing a Hezbollah leader is hardly concrete. That's like claiming US involvement in the Falklands war because they're allies of Britain.Kmarion wrote:
Share the evidence with us. I'd like to see it also (Providing it is just as concrete).
Besides which, since when were military intelligence members trustworthy?
This is why I specifically chose a left wing source for this post.
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The government of Iraq would never ask for withdrawal because they hold pretty much zero legitimacy at this stage and as soon as the US leave, which will happen at some point in the future - it's inevitable, those guys will be hanging from rafters or being separated from their torsos before you can chant 'Moqtada, Moqtada'.Kmarion wrote:
Cam I'd like to see our men and women home just as much as you would like to see the US minding their own business. Most Americans felt they were minding their business pre-911. Instead, while Bill Clinton was dancing with Arafat anti-American resentment was building. Ali Mussa Daqduq has said specifically that he was under orders from the Qud's Force. Sorry but if he was, and he is responsible for killing our men, it directly links Iran to their deaths. That is our business irregardless. If you want the US out so bad go convince the Iraqi government... Please!! If they openly made a statement for US withdrawal it would leave Bush no choice. Instead they are dragging their feet on the most minor of benchmarks in order to commit us to staying.
You guys put yourselves in Iraq, if you guys get in the crossfire then I'm sorry but it's your own damn fault. Saddam had nothing to do with international terror. If you had some decent domestic security 9/11 would never have happened and all of your boys would be safely at home right now. Unfortunately politicians decided otherwise.
No, it's what intelligence officers say he said.
You call Iraq 'stable'? LOL.Harmor wrote:
You're right its not a big deal. I mean they are only killing our soldiers and trying to destabilize Iraq by training and giving weapons to the terrorists that are car bombing innocent civilians day-in and day-out.
I mean its really us Americans that are killing the Iraqis and not the terrorists? Right?
Ever heard of border security Harmor? Have you?Harmor wrote:
If you want to call the guys killing innocent civilians cupcakes, I don't care. You're trying to say our cupcake is their freedom fighter.
Need I remind you what these cupcakes are doing:
These cupcakes are destabilizing Iraq and we're stuck in the middle of it.
Its only a matter of time before these cupcakes to do their stuff over here...let them do it in Iraq. We already are starting to have homegrown cupcakes in western countries - look at the recent events in the UK for example - the JFK Fort Dix Six in the United States.
Cupcakes infiltrate into the populace...they have no country, they have no army, they have no uniform. That is why we have Gitmo to store these cupcakes indefinitely, but if our Supreme Court has anything to do with it they may actually have civilian court justice instead of military tribunals.
Be nice to Cupcakes, they will kill you last.
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Iraq has never been stable even when it was the persian empire it wasnt stable.CameronPoe wrote:
You call Iraq 'stable'? LOL.Harmor wrote:
You're right its not a big deal. I mean they are only killing our soldiers and trying to destabilize Iraq by training and giving weapons to the terrorists that are car bombing innocent civilians day-in and day-out.
I mean its really us Americans that are killing the Iraqis and not the terrorists? Right?
You forget that left wing in America is practically fascist by European standards. Besides, after Iraq, why would you ever trust your intelligence officials ever again?Kmarion wrote:
It's what he and everyone else that was captured said. Along with the evidence seized. If you have something that diputes what he said provide it. Otherwise what you are saying is speculation.Bubbalo wrote:
Capturing a Hezbollah leader is hardly concrete. That's like claiming US involvement in the Falklands war because they're allies of Britain.Kmarion wrote:
Share the evidence with us. I'd like to see it also (Providing it is just as concrete).
Besides which, since when were military intelligence members trustworthy?
This is why I specifically chose a left wing source for this post.
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Iraqis aren't Persian.Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:
Iraq has never been stable even when it was the persian empire it wasnt stable.CameronPoe wrote:
You call Iraq 'stable'? LOL.Harmor wrote:
You're right its not a big deal. I mean they are only killing our soldiers and trying to destabilize Iraq by training and giving weapons to the terrorists that are car bombing innocent civilians day-in and day-out.
I mean its really us Americans that are killing the Iraqis and not the terrorists? Right?
http://www.american.edu/ted/images4/falla.gifCameronPoe wrote:
Iraqis aren't Persian.Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:
Iraq has never been stable even when it was the persian empire it wasnt stable.CameronPoe wrote:
You call Iraq 'stable'? LOL.
they were at least part of the persian empire
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Just as you predict the elected leaders of Iraq hanging from the rafters, I can tell you that our response to a nation attacking Americans is just as inevitable. I'm not trying to play tough here, I just know it to be a fact. Even if it is your belief that they (Politicians) were asking for it.CameronPoe wrote:
The government of Iraq would never ask for withdrawal because they hold pretty much zero legitimacy at this stage and as soon as the US leave, which will happen at some point in the future - it's inevitable, those guys will be hanging from rafters or being separated from their torsos before you can chant 'Moqtada, Moqtada'.Kmarion wrote:
Cam I'd like to see our men and women home just as much as you would like to see the US minding their own business. Most Americans felt they were minding their business pre-911. Instead, while Bill Clinton was dancing with Arafat anti-American resentment was building. Ali Mussa Daqduq has said specifically that he was under orders from the Qud's Force. Sorry but if he was, and he is responsible for killing our men, it directly links Iran to their deaths. That is our business irregardless. If you want the US out so bad go convince the Iraqi government... Please!! If they openly made a statement for US withdrawal it would leave Bush no choice. Instead they are dragging their feet on the most minor of benchmarks in order to commit us to staying.
You guys put yourselves in Iraq, if you guys get in the crossfire then I'm sorry but it's your own damn fault. Saddam had nothing to do with international terror. If you had some decent domestic security 9/11 would never have happened and all of your boys would be safely at home right now. Unfortunately politicians decided otherwise.
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Because I never turn my brain off. I am more critical now of course, but I don't answer by simply refuting everything without consideration. I make it a point to try and cite my sources in everything I post.CameronPoe wrote:
You forget that left wing in America is practically fascist by European standards. Besides, after Iraq, why would you ever trust your intelligence officials ever again?Kmarion wrote:
It's what he and everyone else that was captured said. Along with the evidence seized. If you have something that diputes what he said provide it. Otherwise what you are saying is speculation.Bubbalo wrote:
Capturing a Hezbollah leader is hardly concrete. That's like claiming US involvement in the Falklands war because they're allies of Britain.
Besides which, since when were military intelligence members trustworthy?
This is why I specifically chose a left wing source for this post.
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You're missing the point. You talk about how you specifically chose a left wing news source, but the issue I have is with their source.
Wait we didnt capture the self admitted Hezbolah leader... damn... lol... mr opposite no facts strikes again
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it really isnt their fault cam.CameronPoe wrote:
You forget that left wing in America is practically fascist by European standards. Besides, after Iraq, why would you ever trust your intelligence officials ever again?Kmarion wrote:
It's what he and everyone else that was captured said. Along with the evidence seized. If you have something that diputes what he said provide it. Otherwise what you are saying is speculation.Bubbalo wrote:
Capturing a Hezbollah leader is hardly concrete. That's like claiming US involvement in the Falklands war because they're allies of Britain.
Besides which, since when were military intelligence members trustworthy?
This is why I specifically chose a left wing source for this post.
clinton slaughtered our HUMINT resources, and after 9-11 the CIA openly fucking recruited....i remember thinking the shit really hit the fan seeing ads for jobs at the agency.
You blame Clinton for the fact that Bush manipulated intelligence?
Well we sure as fuck thought it was allowable to station missile silos in turkey knocking on Russias door, first. Two sides to a coin.Kmarion wrote:
Or how about if Russia decided to ship missile within 200 miles off the Florida coast. Would we allow that?
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