BF2S Forums Are the taliban un-Islamic?

Pubic wrote:

I was reading the following article on a local site, when it occurred to me that if it is a muslim's duty to seek knowledge/education, could it not be said that the taliban, through their attempted kidnapping of a school principal, are un-islamic?

Discuss.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4108819a12.html

Failed Taliban bid to kidnap NZ schoolmaster
NZPA | Tuesday, 26 June 2007

An armed militant was killed and a guard sustained bullet wounds when six gunmen tried to abduct the New Zealand principal of a Muslim school in north-western Pakistan on Sunday.

The NZ principal of Muslim Public School Surrani, Stephen Joneth Hyker, escaped the kidnap bid, Pakistan's International News website reported today.

Six armed men broke into Mr Hyker's house within the school at Bannu, a town close to the volatile North Waziristan tribal region.

The intruders shot the school guard on duty and seriously wounded him when he refused to let them reach the principal. The wounded guard in turn killed one of the kidnappers and forced others to flee the house.

The guard told investigators that five or six armed men who "looked like Taliban", demanded to know where they could find the principal of the school and opened fire when he refused to help them, said Mehrullah Khan, a police officer in the town.

The other attackers fled. The wounded attacker died at the scene, while the guard was recovering in a hospital.

"We think it was an attempted kidnapping," said Ayub Khan, another police officer.

Bannu is in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province where Taliban militants and their Pakistani allies are asserting ever-greater control.

In March, gunmen kidnapped and held for several days the principal of a school in Tank where police had earlier prevented militants from recruiting students.

In January this year the town was the site of an attack by suspected Islamist gunmen who killed three policemen and took their vehicle.

And in June last year at least 10 masked gunmen fired from a moving pickup truck at a police patrol near Bannu, killing another three policemen.

vedds wrote:

Technically killing people and spreading islam via the threat of violence is unislamic, but what the hey if its good enough for mohammed.......

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-06-26 02:50:44)

Joshua 1:16-18 wrote:

16 Then they answered Joshua, "Whatever you have commanded us we will do, and wherever you send us we will go. 17 Just as we fully obeyed Moses, so we will obey you. Only may the LORD your God be with you as he was with Moses. 18 Whoever rebels against your word and does not obey your words, whatever you may command them, will be put to death. Only be strong and courageous!"

Joshua 6:20-21 wrote:

20 When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

Leviticus 20:13 wrote:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:14 wrote:

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.

Leviticus 20:15 wrote:

And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.

Numbers 31:7-18 wrote:

7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [a]

    13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

    15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

vedds wrote:

Effectively, i come to your town, with my army. you have the option of paying a tax, or being killed.

vedds wrote:

and the difference between mohammed doing this and say a Christian warlord doing the same thing is that a psychopath can justify the same by saying mohammed did it, whereas Jesus didnt do no killin or taxin or even threatening with violence.  So you see some asshole that wants to kill a few unbelievers has a direct preecedent in Islam, whereas in Christianity its a little more difficult to justify.

vedds wrote:

But nice obfuscation by bringing the Christian thing into it bubs. true to form.

vedds wrote:

Technically killing people and spreading islam via the threat of violence is unislamic, but what the hey if its good enough for mohammed.......

Skruples wrote:

The Bible is chock-full of this sort of thing, but I don't have time to look up any more. If you care to include direct acts from God Himself, you can read up on the Biblical flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Anyway, I think fundamentalist, crazy muslims are as bad as the next guy, but let's not forget that the 'nice' religions that live over here are based on equally abhorrent values.