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I don't think it's a matter of white vs black. I could be wrong but it seems this is equivilent to special provisions for Native Americans.

jonsimon wrote:

I don't think it's a matter of white vs black. I could be wrong but it seems this is equivilent to special provisions for Native Americans.

Still doesn't make it right though.  Not matter what color, religion, etc.

Wow what the fuck?

I mean shit, i knew Australia had some sort of open racist policy but wow. I'm really starting to dislike the Oz, and not just because they kick our arse every time in Cricket.

The U.S wouldn't dare do that, no decent country would these days actually. So much for "if you don't want our culture get out" John Howard, you fucking dwarf.

I'm speaking from a high horse here, let me get off it. We also have one rule for one and another for the rest (with regards to politicians) and America have one rule for celebrities and another for the rest, but it's not official.

*Gets back on Horse*

Australia is still backwards for doing this. They don't give a shit about Aboriginies anyway, can you beleive they actually had a "White Australia" policy, it's mind boggling.

usmarine2005 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

I don't think it's a matter of white vs black. I could be wrong but it seems this is equivilent to special provisions for Native Americans.

Still doesn't make it right though.  Not matter what color, religion, etc.

aborigine's get extra money they use this money on beer and then get drunk and complain about having the right to drink beer and demand more money and on goes the cycle. this isnt all of them but lots of them do this and similar things to do with them getting drunk

Instead of banning alcohol they need to pay welfare in the form of vouchers for food, rent, clothing, bills etc so that the welfare system cannot be exploited. Half the time welfare payments go towards drugs and alcohol, so the aim of these changes are admirable. However, I can see how those ill informed about the situation in Australia could jump on the oh noes racism oh noes discrimination band wagon.

Ssandstorm wrote:

Instead of banning alcohol they need to pay welfare in the form of vouchers for food, rent, clothing, bills etc so that the welfare system cannot be exploited. Half the time welfare payments go towards drugs and alcohol, so the aim of these changes are admirable. However, I can see how those ill informed about the situation in Australia could jump on the oh noes racism oh noes discrimination band wagon.

That's the same as a lot of money paid out in welfare all across the world. The situation in Australia is not that far removed from the problems faced by most countries that have a welfare state system. A voucher solution does sound practical, but again somewhat infringes upon peoples rights (unless it was implemented in a very comprehensive manner) - but not anywhere near to the same extent.

Ssandstorm wrote:

Do you understand that over the last few years remote outback communities have gone completely out of control, with child molestation and drug/alcohol abuse now considered the norm, rather than an anomaly? I can't criticise a move that aims to protect children from abuse. Are adults  rights to drink alcohol and have access to a freeloader welfare system more important than a child's rights to live without violence and degradation?

I see your point.  But that is just like putting a band-aid on an amputation.  If you take away the booze, then crime will increase so they can get the booze.

usmarine2005 wrote:

Ssandstorm wrote:

Do you understand that over the last few years remote outback communities have gone completely out of control, with child molestation and drug/alcohol abuse now considered the norm, rather than an anomaly? I can't criticise a move that aims to protect children from abuse. Are adults  rights to drink alcohol and have access to a freeloader welfare system more important than a child's rights to live without violence and degradation?

I see your point.  But that is just like putting a band-aid on an amputation.  If you take away the booze, then crime will increase so they can get the booze.

Not only that, but if they want the booze, they will find it.  Same with the pornography.  I honestly can't understand how people can rationalize that taking away alcohol and pornography will magically make the problems in Aboriginal society disappear.  Address the poverty and lack of education, lack of jobs, etc.

Not a lack of schools - A lack of education.  As in, the people there often have only a rudimentary level of education.

edit:  Lack of jobs - "Most people refuse to work".  Oh yeah?  I am sure everyone would rather be poor and live like animals than actually have to get a job!  Please, while that may describe some, it is not an apt description of all.

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Ssandstorm wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Not a lack of schools - A lack of education.  As in, the people there often have only a rudimentary level of education.

Yes, and any level of education is available to them, up to tertiary. They simply refuse to go. How is that the governments fault? We can't create a truancy police and force them to go now can we?

No.  That's my gripe.  you can't just force people to act a certain way.

Here is an idea - create programs in Aboriginal Territories that foster the idea of family and community (you know, the type of beliefs they had before western civilization came along).  Show Aboriginies there is value in becoming a productive member of society.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Ssandstorm wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Not a lack of schools - A lack of education.  As in, the people there often have only a rudimentary level of education.

Yes, and any level of education is available to them, up to tertiary. They simply refuse to go. How is that the governments fault? We can't create a truancy police and force them to go now can we?

No.  That's my gripe.  you can't just force people to act a certain way.

Here is an idea - create programs in Aboriginal Territories that foster the idea of family and community (you know, the type of beliefs they had before western civilization came along).  Show Aboriginies there is value in becoming a productive member of society.

It's been tried in the past and it's failed miserably. It's simply a case of 2 different countries within Australia. Most Aboriginals living in major cities do foster ideals such as family and community etc. There are many Aboriginals in attendance at the same University I attend. When I was in the Army there were a few Aboriginal Gun Number's(artilleryman) who I were close too. Then there are these communities in the desert which are literally filled with violence and rampant alcoholism. Any attempt to fix the problem is welcomed. Any.

Last edited by Ssandstorm (2007-06-21 11:35:22)

I've been adopted into some of the clans that are being affected by that.

Particularly the Walpiri, but seriously, they are a violent people. Very, very bad rep in the NT. The Walpiri I mean, known for a mean streak. Otherwise normally pretty nice people. Just don't get in a fight with one.