BF2S Forums Iraq casualties

Aplomb wrote:

This post is highly misleading. You are comparing all deaths in the Clinton years (including accident, sickness, homicide, etc.) to just combat fatalities in Iraq.

If you look at the DoD report you linked to, you will see that the actual comparable numbers show a marked increase since the war began.

For example, the true comparable numbers show that during Clinton's years, the fatalities from all causes were a high of 1293 in 1992 to a low of 768 in 2000. (Generally, fatalities declined almost every year during the Clinton years due to fewer fatal accidents and illnesses.)

Compared to the 768 deaths due to all causes in Clinton's last year, the chart shows 1410 in 2003 and 1887 in 2004, both of which are higher than the 938 average number you have calculated for the Clinton years. Presumably 2005 and 2006 are and will also be higher. If you want to be honest and have your chart compare apples to apples, those are the numbers you have to look at.

Or, just compare combat deaths. Interestingly, there was but a single combat death during the Clinton years, or .125 deaths per year. That is the true and accurate figure that should be used to contrast with the average figure you calculated for the Iraq war: .125 vs. 789.

Maybe this comment will exlain the lack of outrage during the Clinton years.

rdx-fx wrote:

From an official source http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/C … _Rates.pdf
Total deaths and total number of soldiers in service.
PDF breaks down by (Accident, Hostile, Homicide, Illness, Pending, Self Inflicted,Terrorist ,Undetermined)

Just for those that can't be bothered to click, I've copied the year and total number of deaths - including hostile and non-hostile causes. And, for curiosity's sake, Which president was in office for the majority of the year (A US President takes office on Jan 20th, every 4 years.  so, Jan 20th 1981, Ronald Reagan was sworn into office)

Total
Deaths
1980    2,392  J Carter
1981    2,380  R Reagan
1982    2,319  R Reagan
1983    2,465  R Reagan
1984    1,999  R Reagan
1985    2,252  R Reagan
1986    1,984  R Reagan
1987    1,983  R Reagan
1988    1,819  R Reagan
1989    1,636  GH Bush
1990    1,507  GH Bush 
1991    1,787  GH Bush
1992    1,293  GH Bush
1993    1,213  BJ Clinton
1994    1,075  BJ Clinton
1995    1,040  BJ Clinton
1996       974  BJ Clinton
1997       817  BJ Clinton
1998       827  BJ Clinton
1999       796  BJ Clinton
2000       758  BJ Clinton
2001       891 GW Bush
2002       999 GW Bush
2003    1,228 GW Bush
2004    1,874 GW Bush
2005    1,942 GW Bush
2006    1,858 GW Bush

If I get a chance later, I may post "your percent chance of getting killed in the US Armed Forces, by year"  by just taking (# of Troops / # of Deaths).  Might be an interesting breakdown.

For real fun, someone could take that number and compare it with total civilian deaths per year.

EDIT: Some other veterans, please take a look at the 1992-2000 "hostile deaths" column in the above PDF - and tell me what you think of it....

Ridir wrote:

I should seriously sleep before I post.

GATOR591957 wrote:

Before you go off on a post you may want to look deeper into the facts which you yourself posted.  For example, look at the deaths by "accident"  vs. deaths by hostility.  Your boy George wins hands down on deaths by hostility.

elstonieo wrote:

Isn't the thread title misleading all the data is showing is Iraq Fatalities not casualties

have you got a source for the actual Iraq casualties ?

Smitty5613 wrote:

Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities.  The latest census shows the following:

European descent (white) 69.12%
Hispanic                             12.5%
African American               12.3%
Asian                                   3.7%
Native American                 1.0%
Other                                  2.6%

Now, the fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom are:
European descent (white) 74.31%
Hispanic                              10.74%
African American                  9.67%
Asian                                     1.81%
Native American                   1.09%
Other                                     2.33%

Smitty5613 wrote:

elstonieo wrote:

Isn't the thread title misleading all the data is showing is Iraq Fatalities not casualties

have you got a source for the actual Iraq casualties ?

sorry, i didnt think i had to be THAT politically correct, and if u read to the bottom of the post, ull see there are 2 links, those are the sources....

iamangry wrote:

Amazing find, +1 to you!

I think this would be more interesting and informative if you included numbers for wounded as well in your OP.  Just cause someone doesn't die in Iraq doesn't mean they aren't totally fucked up.  I do like how its such a downward trend though.  And from the face of it the statistics are pretty amazing.  Heres another fact (dont know how accurate it is, don't take my word from it, heard it from someone else): More US service men would have died during the first gulf war if they had been driving on american roads during the time they were fighting instead of fighting.  Amazing.

Reciprocity wrote:

that's ~3577 deaths and ~25,950 wounded.  get your shit straight.

Hurricane wrote:

What the fuck were we doing in the 80s?