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you do have a point to a certain extent... and you are right too many tards tking for vehicles. in that there lies the biggest flaw of DICE. the vehicle system is so messed up.SargeV1.4 wrote:
Often people get really pissed off when I shoot them out of a jet with an M95. They think that somehow, they got it fairly. They think that somehow, there should be no discussion as to it being their vehicle.
Let's take it slowly here.
You're at a shop. You want to buy a few things, so you go to the cash desk. What do you do? do you all huddle up around the counter all shouting "PICK ME!"? no, you don't. you stand in line. You have common sense.
You're playing golf. It's a busy day, and you have to wait for people to finish before you can move on to the next hole. There is another guy in front of you waiting for the people currently playing the hole to finish. After a few minutes, they're done. What were you doing? standing next to the guy, ready to pounce onto the start of the course the moment the other players leave? no, you were waiting behind the guy, so he can have his turn.
You're playing Battlefield 2. A guy is waiting for a jet. The tag above his head reads "SargeV1.4". You do not say anything, you do not attempt to communicate, you just run straight towards where he's standing, block him, and ram e hoping you'll get it. By luck, you get the jet. You're about to take off, when you suddenly die. At the top of the screen is the message "SargeV1.4 [TeamKills] You". You get angry. you finally have the decency to say something, even if it's barely legible crap. You spend the rest of your round teamkilling him. And yet somehow you think that you're completely right in your actions and that SargeV1.4 is an asshole.
I have happily been teamkilling people for jets for almost a year now. Those brave few that have dared strike up a conversation quickly came to an agreement with me, and we both had our fun. The majority that decided that talking to others is a blasphemy and that standing around waiting to get lucky is good, got a .50 bullet in their head.
I try to be nice. I join people's squads. I talk to them. I never get a response. In fact, they don't even seem to realise that other people are attempting to communicate with them.
Unfortunately these brainless zombies are only the beginning. There are several more kinds of morons. The worst has to be, without a doubt, the ones that will settle for getting any vehicle and will do anything to get it. They stand around on carriers and airfields, actually looking for players that are waiting for vehicles. If they spot one, they will then try to take the vehicle for themselves instead. They do not care what vehicle they get, as long as they get it. These players are usually the worst in terms of skill as well.
There is another type of player that sometimes also is included in the spotters mentioned above: the blockers. These people will stand in front of you and push you, hoping to increase their chances obtaining of temporary power before dieing. If you get the vehicle, they will stand in front of/on top of it with a vengeance, hoping that the prospect of running some random idiot over is enough to make you get out.
"every action has a consequence." This saying is appropriate for me teamkilling people in Battlefield 2 - A lack of communication and decency will cause me to teamkill you for your inappropriate behaviour. I'm really quite nice, if you'd just have the common sense to take a few seconds out to talk.
My guidelines vary per map, too. For instance, on maps like Kubra Dam, Gulf of Oman, and OCS I will happily give players a chance to fly without much trouble. If they're waiting for it, it's their jet. They are, after all, dogfighting maps. However, you have absolutely no business taking the F35 on wake if you re going to get yourself shot down straight away. The previously mentioned maps are great for learning how to fly. Maps where you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of shooting an enemy down is not a way to learn how to fly. As such, I will not stand for players that repeatedly come back to the airfield to get, what is to them, a flying coffin. Expect M95 action.
So, next time you're trying to take a vehicle from a teammate, and he team kills you, don't whine. Shut up, and have some common sense. If you have any arguments against this, please re-read the thread up to this point.
If you've managed to realise that having an e-fest is reason enough to be teamkilled, then I have one more thing to say to you:
A chopper with one player in it is NOT an invite for you to join him. Any pilot that is genuinely interested in you will wait for you to get in. However, if he turns the chopper away from you and repeatedly spams no, why do you get in? If he asks you to get out, you get the fuck out. If two people want to pilot a chopper together, you get the fuck out. Don't cry about being redzoned if the pilot actually asked you to get out because he wants to solo. Of course, if he didn't, he's at fault. If he did, and you decided to stay in, you deserve nothing more than a one way trip to the border of the map.
Oh, and a final piece of advice - as FF off servers are becoming an increasingly popular phenomenon, I've had to find a different way to teamkill people. This trick only works in hangars, but its the best I can do: place 5 packs of C4 at your retarded teammates feet, and detonate. They will laugh thinking that FF is off. As they crash into the ceiling, then the floor, and die, without you even being officially responsible, you can fly off laughing yourself.
you are not the centre of the universe. The players you see ingame are other people, that are capable of talking. Just like you. So do it. And don't cry about being M95'd.
you got 13 year old morons trying to inflate their egos by making everyones life a living hell. my advice my friend is to forget about vehicles all together. i am a highly talented ground pounder, plain and simple, although i dont play Bf2 anymore, i think very little has changed since i retired from the game over a year ago.
Anyone who disagrees with the first post obviously cannot read.
Which I have no doubt Sarge does as well.Apoc-SAS wrote:
thats fair. but that doesnt deal with ppl that shoot u out when it IS your turn.
lol the worst argument ever. If someone pushes infront of you in a cue that means i should shoot them o.O
Hate to eat your cookies. If you are too slow to get in then wait or do something else. Im sure that when you tk for the jet your actually thinking, I want the jet as i want to get a good score and because i enjoy it. Not i am only using the jet to help out my team. The other person thinks the same as you, but is probably not as good. If you just tk every time that just means less people will have the skills to "help the team".
faggot
Hate to eat your cookies. If you are too slow to get in then wait or do something else. Im sure that when you tk for the jet your actually thinking, I want the jet as i want to get a good score and because i enjoy it. Not i am only using the jet to help out my team. The other person thinks the same as you, but is probably not as good. If you just tk every time that just means less people will have the skills to "help the team".
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Was that in reply to my post?Missionless wrote:
you compare BF2 to real life.
sad.
Think it was to Sarge, since he actually used real life as an example.globefish23 wrote:
Was that in reply to my post?Missionless wrote:
you compare BF2 to real life.
sad.
I think you're right.
People tricking other people waiting for a vehicle are assholes that deserve to be killed.
When I see a guy killing another guy for vehicles - A is waiting for a vehicle, B comes along and kills A because he wants that vehicle too - I'll kill B so that A can take the vehicle anyway (funniest thing of course is the inevitable whining of B). Should be done more often.
People tricking other people waiting for a vehicle are assholes that deserve to be killed.
When I see a guy killing another guy for vehicles - A is waiting for a vehicle, B comes along and kills A because he wants that vehicle too - I'll kill B so that A can take the vehicle anyway (funniest thing of course is the inevitable whining of B). Should be done more often.
Internets .. Serious business yanoSteikeTa wrote:
Think it was to Sarge, since he actually used real life as an example.globefish23 wrote:
Was that in reply to my post?Missionless wrote:
you compare BF2 to real life.
sad.
I take The Internet very serious!Fearmesnipers wrote:
Internets .. Serious business yanoSteikeTa wrote:
Think it was to Sarge, since he actually used real life as an example.globefish23 wrote:
Was that in reply to my post?
Edit: The Internets*
Last edited by SteikeTa (2007-05-30 12:29:44)
Wow, I hate when people TK me for the Jet or helo, or anything. Even if they are better than me, it is still annoying as hell. When I was a noob, I was a M95 whore, but I have learned better, and I never teamkill anyone, no matter their rank or skill level. The only time I ever do TK, is when there is a complete asshat about to fly the jet. My rule is that if you TK me (on purpose), I tk you.
1. The only justifiable rule is the line-up-and-wait rule, so if people violate it they should be punished (kicked/banned/shot etc.).
2. All the rest of it - essentially preferential vehicle distribution based on personally perceived skill level - is elitist bullsh-t.
So you're a good video-game "pilot". Big deal.
Afterward, we're going to go beat up some homeless people because we feel superior to them, too.
2. All the rest of it - essentially preferential vehicle distribution based on personally perceived skill level - is elitist bullsh-t.
So you're a good video-game "pilot". Big deal.
Afterward, we're going to go beat up some homeless people because we feel superior to them, too.
thats why i only play on my clans servers.
TK for vehicles all you want, if i see you, ill ban your ass.
TK for vehicles all you want, if i see you, ill ban your ass.
It's nothing that hasn't been written before, i seem to remember Nyte or someone else saying more or less the same thing.
Do what you want, but don't moan when someone gets you back after Tking them.
Do what you want, but don't moan when someone gets you back after Tking them.
It all depends on what the server rules are. If they are no TKing, then you should not TK *WHATEVER* the case. There are no excuses for it. Not only does it show impatience but it hinders the team. The same goes for waiting for planes. Let's face it, there is a general code throughout BF2 that if someone enters a jet before you, then you politely move out of the way and let them take off. The assholes are usually the ones who either TK or stand in front of the jet as some dumb form of 'vengeance'. That is sour grapes to the extreme.
In my experience, players who TK for vehicles get kicked straight away when there is an active admin. They often tend to be the immature ones, and the tking for vehicles is their equivalent to throwing a tantrum. So I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you about that.
As for the waiting for the helicopter I am more sympathetic as I often fly with friends, but again there is no reason at all to TK someone for getting to the chopper before you. Just wait until next time. I'm sure lots of people have their own rules on justifying their TKing, but that doesn't make them correct. The most simple thing to do is not to TK in the first place.
In my experience, players who TK for vehicles get kicked straight away when there is an active admin. They often tend to be the immature ones, and the tking for vehicles is their equivalent to throwing a tantrum. So I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you about that.
As for the waiting for the helicopter I am more sympathetic as I often fly with friends, but again there is no reason at all to TK someone for getting to the chopper before you. Just wait until next time. I'm sure lots of people have their own rules on justifying their TKing, but that doesn't make them correct. The most simple thing to do is not to TK in the first place.
haha ya its the internet you can be a racist, sexist, evil, jerk, lieing, selfish son of a gun and no one can stop you...unless admin.BlackKoala wrote:
I TK for vehicles...all the time.
But I see no need to justify it on a forum.
lol, nice rant thoBlackKoala wrote:
I TK for vehicles...all the time.
But I see no need to justify it on a forum.
I get your communication issue.
It seems like I'm always the last motherfucker on earth with a working VOIP
It seems like I'm always the last motherfucker on earth with a working VOIP
That's true. I mean, If you got killed five times in a row in the air, what do you think you will accomplish? Let someone who can actually use it help the team. Also, if I'm trying to solo, don't get in: i'm going to redline you. Especially if you are a gunnery sgt.
It doesn't really matter what rank someone is. Someone could be the best gunner in the world that's started an account that's a private.[Hive]-Twist wrote:
That's true. I mean, If you got killed five times in a row in the air, what do you think you will accomplish? Let someone who can actually use it help the team. Also, if I'm trying to solo, don't get in: i'm going to redline you. Especially if you are a gunnery sgt.
Besides, who cares about the team anymore?
well said +1 where's my karma-back???SargeV1.4 wrote:
Often people get really pissed off when I shoot them out of a jet with an M95. They think that somehow, they got it fairly. They think that somehow, there should be no discussion as to it being their vehicle.
Let's take it slowly here.
You're at a shop. You want to buy a few things, so you go to the cash desk. What do you do? do you all huddle up around the counter all shouting "PICK ME!"? no, you don't. you stand in line. You have common sense.
You're playing golf. It's a busy day, and you have to wait for people to finish before you can move on to the next hole. There is another guy in front of you waiting for the people currently playing the hole to finish. After a few minutes, they're done. What were you doing? standing next to the guy, ready to pounce onto the start of the course the moment the other players leave? no, you were waiting behind the guy, so he can have his turn.
You're playing Battlefield 2. A guy is waiting for a jet. The tag above his head reads "SargeV1.4". You do not say anything, you do not attempt to communicate, you just run straight towards where he's standing, block him, and ram e hoping you'll get it. By luck, you get the jet. You're about to take off, when you suddenly die. At the top of the screen is the message "SargeV1.4 [TeamKills] You". You get angry. you finally have the decency to say something, even if it's barely legible crap. You spend the rest of your round teamkilling him. And yet somehow you think that you're completely right in your actions and that SargeV1.4 is an asshole.
I have happily been teamkilling people for jets for almost a year now. Those brave few that have dared strike up a conversation quickly came to an agreement with me, and we both had our fun. The majority that decided that talking to others is a blasphemy and that standing around waiting to get lucky is good, got a .50 bullet in their head.
I try to be nice. I join people's squads. I talk to them. I never get a response. In fact, they don't even seem to realise that other people are attempting to communicate with them.
Unfortunately these brainless zombies are only the beginning. There are several more kinds of morons. The worst has to be, without a doubt, the ones that will settle for getting any vehicle and will do anything to get it. They stand around on carriers and airfields, actually looking for players that are waiting for vehicles. If they spot one, they will then try to take the vehicle for themselves instead. They do not care what vehicle they get, as long as they get it. These players are usually the worst in terms of skill as well.
There is another type of player that sometimes also is included in the spotters mentioned above: the blockers. These people will stand in front of you and push you, hoping to increase their chances obtaining of temporary power before dieing. If you get the vehicle, they will stand in front of/on top of it with a vengeance, hoping that the prospect of running some random idiot over is enough to make you get out.
"every action has a consequence." This saying is appropriate for me teamkilling people in Battlefield 2 - A lack of communication and decency will cause me to teamkill you for your inappropriate behaviour. I'm really quite nice, if you'd just have the common sense to take a few seconds out to talk.
My guidelines vary per map, too. For instance, on maps like Kubra Dam, Gulf of Oman, and OCS I will happily give players a chance to fly without much trouble. If they're waiting for it, it's their jet. They are, after all, dogfighting maps. However, you have absolutely no business taking the F35 on wake if you re going to get yourself shot down straight away. The previously mentioned maps are great for learning how to fly. Maps where you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of shooting an enemy down is not a way to learn how to fly. As such, I will not stand for players that repeatedly come back to the airfield to get, what is to them, a flying coffin. Expect M95 action.
So, next time you're trying to take a vehicle from a teammate, and he team kills you, don't whine. Shut up, and have some common sense. If you have any arguments against this, please re-read the thread up to this point.
If you've managed to realise that having an e-fest is reason enough to be teamkilled, then I have one more thing to say to you:
A chopper with one player in it is NOT an invite for you to join him. Any pilot that is genuinely interested in you will wait for you to get in. However, if he turns the chopper away from you and repeatedly spams no, why do you get in? If he asks you to get out, you get the fuck out. If two people want to pilot a chopper together, you get the fuck out. Don't cry about being redzoned if the pilot actually asked you to get out because he wants to solo. Of course, if he didn't, he's at fault. If he did, and you decided to stay in, you deserve nothing more than a one way trip to the border of the map.
Oh, and a final piece of advice - as FF off servers are becoming an increasingly popular phenomenon, I've had to find a different way to teamkill people. This trick only works in hangars, but its the best I can do: place 5 packs of C4 at your retarded teammates feet, and detonate. They will laugh thinking that FF is off. As they crash into the ceiling, then the floor, and die, without you even being officially responsible, you can fly off laughing yourself.
you are not the centre of the universe. The players you see ingame are other people, that are capable of talking. Just like you. So do it. And don't cry about being M95'd.
Last edited by docnutz (2007-05-31 07:19:51)
I partley agree with you... I will still never teamkill someone for a vehicle.
Sarge, you do hold F (Or E, whatever your enter control is) when waiting for a vehicle, right?
I don't agree with this here. If some guy takes a chopper for himself and there's no one who wants to get in, then fair enough. If there are people who want to get in, he has no right to take it for himself, or kill the gunner. People play games to have fun. Dick heads who do the previously mentioned ruin the fun for other people, therefore make themselves stick on pricks.SargeV1.4 wrote:
A chopper with one player in it is NOT an invite for you to join him. Any pilot that is genuinely interested in you will wait for you to get in. However, if he turns the chopper away from you and repeatedly spams no, why do you get in? If he asks you to get out, you get the fuck out. If two people want to pilot a chopper together, you get the fuck out. Don't cry about being redzoned if the pilot actually asked you to get out because he wants to solo. Of course, if he didn't, he's at fault. If he did, and you decided to stay in, you deserve nothing more than a one way trip to the border of the map.
Sarge, you do hold F (Or E, whatever your enter control is) when waiting for a vehicle, right?
I'll just ban your ass from my server for teamkilling and vehcile stealing. You and just about everyone else payed for the game. Therefore you have no greater right to any vehicile than the next person. Other people are entitled to play the game how they want as long as they don't interfer with others trying to have fun. Teamkilling is no fun for anyone involved. Deliberate teamkilling really pisses me off.
Who gives a flying fuck if you can fly or can't fly. I don't. If I want to fly I wait for my chance to fly. If I don't get to fly the whole round because the guy who got it first didn't die I don't care. When you teamkill for a vehicle espcially a jet or helo then you deserve to have your ass spawnraped by the enemy.
Sarge, I'd give you -1 karma for advocating teamkilling period.
Who gives a flying fuck if you can fly or can't fly. I don't. If I want to fly I wait for my chance to fly. If I don't get to fly the whole round because the guy who got it first didn't die I don't care. When you teamkill for a vehicle espcially a jet or helo then you deserve to have your ass spawnraped by the enemy.
Sarge, I'd give you -1 karma for advocating teamkilling period.
Last edited by DSRTurtle (2007-05-30 14:06:09)
Makes two of us. If i see you in a server, i will make it my mission to make you either leave or cry.HeavyMetalDave wrote:
Stores and Golf coures have rulz... you wait for your turn...
BF2 has no waiting lines... that's just dumb..
Just curious... were you crying when u wrote this?
I'll take vehicles from u all day... go ahead and teamkill me...
It's your stats not mine...
Yes Link, you hold down F. (or E, or whatever you use)
I would like to thank DSRTurtle, Parker, Fearmesnipers, and several others for not reading, or at least not understanding the OP. It's not that I'm flaming you because you dissagree, it's because you're not making any sensible arguements at all. It's simple: break my post down into understandable arguments and reply to them.
For example: Fearmesnipers:
"Not i am only using the jet to help out my team. The other person thinks the same as you, but is probably not as good. If you just tk every time that just means less people will have the skills to "help the team"."
I made a point about flying on certain maps. It was that on maps where an inexperienced player will stand almost no chance whatsoever, such as Wake Island, that player should seek out other maps that are fairer and will provide him with proper dogfights, so he can learn how to fly and not let down a team that is somewhat depending on him.
And your response to this: "If I TK lower skilled players every time they'll never learn.".
Yes, fearmesnipers, that's right. If an inexperienced player always gets teamkilled he won't learn how to fly. Please tell me how this has anything to do with my argument?
I really wonder if you actually read my OP. Properly. Not just skimming through it, but reading it and seeing what my point is. Hell, it's barely 2 A4's.
I would like to thank DSRTurtle, Parker, Fearmesnipers, and several others for not reading, or at least not understanding the OP. It's not that I'm flaming you because you dissagree, it's because you're not making any sensible arguements at all. It's simple: break my post down into understandable arguments and reply to them.
For example: Fearmesnipers:
"Not i am only using the jet to help out my team. The other person thinks the same as you, but is probably not as good. If you just tk every time that just means less people will have the skills to "help the team"."
I made a point about flying on certain maps. It was that on maps where an inexperienced player will stand almost no chance whatsoever, such as Wake Island, that player should seek out other maps that are fairer and will provide him with proper dogfights, so he can learn how to fly and not let down a team that is somewhat depending on him.
And your response to this: "If I TK lower skilled players every time they'll never learn.".
Yes, fearmesnipers, that's right. If an inexperienced player always gets teamkilled he won't learn how to fly. Please tell me how this has anything to do with my argument?
I really wonder if you actually read my OP. Properly. Not just skimming through it, but reading it and seeing what my point is. Hell, it's barely 2 A4's.
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