Fuck the GC. If that's torture you have to wonder why I'm terrified of being in pools around other people. I've been nearly drown twice, once when 5, the other when 7. They'll grow out of the trama as I have.Kmarion wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaterboardingMiller wrote:
Please explain waterboarding to me. To be honest I haven't heard of it yet.Kmarion wrote:
I hear what you are saying. I was just reiterating that waterboarding is torture and the CIA has been doing that for a long time.
According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess
You really have to see it to understand it though
It's pretty much a mock execution which is illegal under the GC.
To think people criticised the Iranians just for cocking their guns near the hostages.
It's not though. People will cave and say anything true or not to get it to stop.Braddock wrote:
Waterboarding ...it seems so simple yet so effective!
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Keep doing it just to be sure.Kmarion wrote:
It's not though. People will cave and say anything true or not to get it to stop.Braddock wrote:
Waterboarding ...it seems so simple yet so effective!
I don't understand how this is news to any of you...
It's not. It's DST. Everything is debatableDeadmonkiefart wrote:
I don't understand how this is news to any of you...
...then don't complain when the insurgents do things as animalistic as what you condone.Miller wrote:
Keep doing it just to be sure.Kmarion wrote:
It's not though. People will cave and say anything true or not to get it to stop.Braddock wrote:
Waterboarding ...it seems so simple yet so effective!
We can fight like these filthy beasts and win the war, but bear the title of "hypocrite" for doing what we decried as evil and inhumane. Or we can realize that this is a fight we can't both win and still be considered the bigger men.
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Have I condoned it? No. War is fucking hell! Who doesn't understand this yet?Hurricane wrote:
...then don't complain when the insurgents do things as animalistic as what you condone.Miller wrote:
Keep doing it just to be sure.Kmarion wrote:
It's not though. People will cave and say anything true or not to get it to stop.
We can fight like these filthy beasts and win the war, but bear the title of "hypocrite" for doing what we decried as evil and inhumane. Or we can realize that this is a fight we can't both win and still be considered the bigger men.
What are suggesting? That it's false?Miller wrote:
It's not. It's DST. Everything is debatableDeadmonkiefart wrote:
I don't understand how this is news to any of you...
The ST is there for a reason: Serious Talk.
"Things need to be done" certainly doesn't sound like "We shouldn't lower ourselves to their level."Miller wrote:
Have I condoned it? No. War is fucking hell! Who doesn't understand this yet?Hurricane wrote:
...then don't complain when the insurgents do things as animalistic as what you condone.Miller wrote:
Keep doing it just to be sure.
We can fight like these filthy beasts and win the war, but bear the title of "hypocrite" for doing what we decried as evil and inhumane. Or we can realize that this is a fight we can't both win and still be considered the bigger men.
It's old and it's debatable. I don't know how you got to thinking that I'm not taking it seriously. It's just not news, it's only debate.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
What are suggesting? That it's false?Miller wrote:
It's not. It's DST. Everything is debatableDeadmonkiefart wrote:
I don't understand how this is news to any of you...
The ST is there for a reason: Serious Talk.
CORRECTION: Liberals say that. Not normal peopleDesolater wrote:
and people say were in-human for sleep depreivation??? id much rather that then what this brave soldier got.. just wow.
When did I say we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level? If it helps our men on the field and the citizens of this country, do it damnit. The insurgents realize this, why can't we?Hurricane wrote:
"Things need to be done" certainly doesn't sound like "We shouldn't lower ourselves to their level."Miller wrote:
Have I condoned it? No. War is fucking hell! Who doesn't understand this yet?Hurricane wrote:
...then don't complain when the insurgents do things as animalistic as what you condone.
We can fight like these filthy beasts and win the war, but bear the title of "hypocrite" for doing what we decried as evil and inhumane. Or we can realize that this is a fight we can't both win and still be considered the bigger men.
Do these people deserve tourture? Yes
Morally speaking, should we tourture them? No
It's not like were getting any valuable information from them anyway. Tourture doesn't always work. People say things just to make it stop. How can you even believe anything a terrorist has to say?
Morally speaking, should we tourture them? No
It's not like were getting any valuable information from them anyway. Tourture doesn't always work. People say things just to make it stop. How can you even believe anything a terrorist has to say?
I heard about this on my way to work this morning. My thoughts and prayers go out to the soldiers family as their grief and pain mut be unearable right now.
These terrorists, insurgents, hostage takers, whatever they want to be called, are cowards and hypocrits who, by their actions, are doing nothing but strengthening the resolve of the troops who fight them.
These terrorists, insurgents, hostage takers, whatever they want to be called, are cowards and hypocrits who, by their actions, are doing nothing but strengthening the resolve of the troops who fight them.
If saying that all forms of torture no matter who uses them or what justifications they offer for them are inhumane and sick isn't normal, then I'd rather be abnormal.Superslim wrote:
CORRECTION: Liberals say that. Not normal people
There is a difference between pouring water on somebody and slowly cutting off their head while they are still alive.
Whoever did this, insurgents or whoever, has realized the only true purpose of this kind of brutality. Engendering fear. That's it. There's never been a higher purpose for this kind of shit no matter who does it or what their reasoning is. They're not trying to extract information any more than our side is when we do it, or the Russians were when they did it to the Chechens, or any of the various Latin American thugs the US supported when they did it. They're looking for the fear that comes when you find one of your buddies, or your family members, lying in a ditch on the side of the road looking like they got processed through a combine harvester. Problem is it never works out that way, it always just ends up pissing people off worse.Miller wrote:
When did I say we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level? If it helps our men on the field and the citizens of this country, do it damnit. The insurgents realize this, why can't we?
Yeah there is. The guy with his head cut off is dead. The guy choking on the water being poured over his face gets to experience the sensation of drowning for as long as the people doing it to him want until they feel like stopping or his heart siezes up from the strain. You can play this moral relativisim game as much as you like but torture's torture. It doesn't stop being torture just when certain people do it or if it doesn't result in physical damage you can see or because you having never experienced either decide it to be so.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
There is a difference between pouring water on somebody and slowly cutting off their head while they are still alive.
Drowning isn't that bad... I'm lying. As I said above, I've almost drown twice. It left me scarred for a while, but I was a kid and my mind was molded easily. I'm over it now. Still terrified around people I don't know in water, but I do get into a pool and seem normal.HunterOfSkulls wrote:
Yeah there is. The guy with his head cut off is dead. The guy choking on the water being poured over his face gets to experience the sensation of drowning for as long as the people doing it to him want until they feel like stopping or his heart siezes up from the strain. You can play this moral relativisim game as much as you like but torture's torture. It doesn't stop being torture just when certain people do it or if it doesn't result in physical damage you can see or because you having never experienced either decide it to be so.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
There is a difference between pouring water on somebody and slowly cutting off their head while they are still alive.
Let me play your mom: Two wrongs don't make a right.Desolater wrote:
and people say were in-human for sleep depreivation??? id much rather that then what this brave soldier got.. just wow.
Maybe it's something to do with being bound and submitted to it while being held down by 3 men in masks?Miller wrote:
Fuck the GC. If that's torture you have to wonder why I'm terrified of being in pools around other people. I've been nearly drown twice, once when 5, the other when 7. They'll grow out of the trama as I have.
As I've said... I didn't voluntarily try to drown myself. No one does. I was "forced" to not breathe also if you must. You could call it torture if you wanted to. I don't. I call it life, just as torture is part of war.RedTwizzler wrote:
Maybe it's something to do with being bound and submitted to it while being held down by 3 men in masks?Miller wrote:
Fuck the GC. If that's torture you have to wonder why I'm terrified of being in pools around other people. I've been nearly drown twice, once when 5, the other when 7. They'll grow out of the trama as I have.
You were forced to? Really? Were you being held down, or did you take a breath at the wrong time?Miller wrote:
As I've said... I didn't voluntarily try to drown myself. No one does. I was "forced" to not breathe also if you must. You could call it torture if you wanted to. I don't. I call it life, just as torture is part of war.RedTwizzler wrote:
Maybe it's something to do with being bound and submitted to it while being held down by 3 men in masks?Miller wrote:
Fuck the GC. If that's torture you have to wonder why I'm terrified of being in pools around other people. I've been nearly drown twice, once when 5, the other when 7. They'll grow out of the trama as I have.
If you answered with the former, where the hell do you swim?
Forced to as in, while in the water, people I didn't know decided to hold me under for three minutes straight. Where I swim? Local pools in the Newport Beach area.RedTwizzler wrote:
You were forced to? Really? Were you being held down, or did you take a breath at the wrong time?Miller wrote:
As I've said... I didn't voluntarily try to drown myself. No one does. I was "forced" to not breathe also if you must. You could call it torture if you wanted to. I don't. I call it life, just as torture is part of war.RedTwizzler wrote:
Maybe it's something to do with being bound and submitted to it while being held down by 3 men in masks?
If you answered with the former, where the hell do you swim?
I have a hard time trusting anyone in pools. People I know well and know my fear I can trust, somewhat... But if there are unknown people inside the pool area, I stay in the corner and make sure to keep as far away as possible.
EDIT: That was the second time. The first time wasn't as bad and I can't remember it all. I just know it was at a party in the 2-3rd grade. Every one decided it would be funny to go down the waterslide at once. Guess where I was? The bottom...
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