sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6758|Argentina
Haaretz article.

Does Israel still uphold that proper state of affairs in which the elected government sets policy and civil servants carry it out? According to an article published in Haaretz yesterday ("The spirit of the commander prevails" by Meron Rapoport), it seems that with regard to the army, the answer is negative. While ministers speak about a two-state solution, a kind of military coup is taking place in the West Bank, in which the Israel Defense Forces are turning the area into the state of the settlers. While the Palestinian population is being suffocated, the settlements are flourishing.

It does not make much difference whether the Defense Ministry is headed by a civilian minister, because the army has its own agenda, and its subordination to the government is often simulated. For years, Israel was proud of the democratic miracle of an obedient army that did not accumulate too much power and served the elected government loyally, even though the country was engaged in a continual existential war. During the last war, however, cracks appeared in this faith, when it turned out that the cabinet had been dragged into approving military plans that were never even submitted to it. And even worse things happen every day in the occupied territories. Haggai Alon, an adviser to the defense minister who is responsible for the fabric of life in the West Bank, says that the army disregards the government's diplomatic agenda and essentially serves as the settlers' army. Or at least, that is how it was throughout Dan Halutz's tenure as chief of staff.

One shocking example of this democratic crisis is the army's disregard of court decisions regarding the route of the separation fence. After years of High Court of Justice hearings on every meter of the fence, with the goal of striking a balance between security needs and the needs of Palestinian daily life, it turns out that along Route 317, which links several settlements in the southern Mount Hebron area, the army ignored these decisions and built a mini-fence in addition to the one that was formally approved - and it is located along the original route that the High Court nixed.

Additionally, a section of the fence near the Trans-Samaria Highway, which was supposed to be built near the Green Line, was never completed due to the settlers' objections. The army also stopped conducting security checks on cars with Israeli license plates due to the protests lodged by settlers, who did not want to stop at the checkpoints - even though an explosives-laden car with an Israeli license plate recently entered Israel. The IDF does not report to the government on how many roadblocks there are in the West Bank; thus the government can talk about making life easier for the Palestinians while the army refrains from doing so. Similarly, thanks to assistance from IDF officers, settlers moved into a disputed house in Hebron; downtown Hebron was closed to Palestinians; and 3,000 demonstrators reached the evacuated settlement of Homesh in defiance of the government's decision. Settlements are also expanding in various places because the army has turned a blind eye, and sometimes even with its active assistance.

In light of all this, Amir Peretz's talk about dismantling West Bank settlement outposts, like Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livni's promises to reach a new agreement on dividing the land between Israel and Palestine, sounds emptier than ever. It evidently makes no difference which party is in power, as long as the army serves the settlers rather than the state.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-05-21 11:38:50)

usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6763

Real Job?  Defense Force.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6758|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:

Real Job?  Defense Force.
They are doing it in the West Bank, what Defense Force are you talking about?  They are helping the settlers to steal more land.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6763

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Real Job?  Defense Force.
They are doing it in the West Bank, what Defense Force are you talking about?  They are helping the settlers to steal more land.
ok
l41e
Member
+677|6649

They're defending the Palestinians' land from them.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6224|Escea

k30dxedle wrote:

They're defending the Palestinians' land from them.
What he said.

usmarine2005 wrote:

Real Job?  Defense Force.
and what he said.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2007-07-24 10:45:55)

jonsimon
Member
+224|6496
The IDF is just a big state sponsored terrorist organization/military. It's true to its roots.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6598|Seattle

The IDF kicks ass. That's all I know.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6224|Escea

King_County_Downy wrote:

The IDF kicks ass. That's all I know.
They own a sweet tank, the Merkava, that things awesome.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6388

M.O.A.B wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

The IDF kicks ass. That's all I know.
They own a sweet tank, the Merkava, that things awesome.
You could give the Israelis a few Shermans and they would win a battle against a Corps sized formation of T-80s, they really have amazing tankers and fighter pilots.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6622|London, England
I dunno. Show the Arabs how it's like to steal land, like they've been doing since the conception of Islam and all that shit. I mean shit, Israel shouldn't exist but the Arabs aren't exactly innocent and don't exactly not deserve it.

Bah, destroy them all and do the world a favour. We could do without the Arab/Israeli conflict.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6291|Éire

Commie Killer wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

The IDF kicks ass. That's all I know.
They own a sweet tank, the Merkava, that things awesome.
You could give the Israelis a few Shermans and they would win a battle against a Corps sized formation of T-80s, they really have amazing tankers and fighter pilots.
They do have an impressive army and probably the best soldiers on the planet...

however

...they are a bunch of cunts.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6224|Escea

Commie Killer wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

The IDF kicks ass. That's all I know.
They own a sweet tank, the Merkava, that things awesome.
You could give the Israelis a few Shermans and they would win a battle against a Corps sized formation of T-80s, they really have amazing tankers and fighter pilots.
The did make this out of a Sherman,

the M50 Super Sherman,

https://es.geocities.com/extraoficial_ech/shermansur.JPG

I've heard a story that happened during one of their wars, Yom Kippur war I think, where one damaged IDF Centurion tank I believe (treads knocked out), managed to destroy a 90 or so Russian made enemy tanks before it was destroyed, that's pretty feckin impressive. If anyone knows what I'm talking about and know more depth post it up please.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2007-07-24 17:03:51)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6406|North Carolina
The settlers sound like assholes.

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