doesn't sound like you do mullah. Go read up on our foreign policy, then come back to the debate. One would think those who want to destroy our enemies would at least understand their motivations ffs.usmarine2005 wrote:
Good lord dude, we know why FFS. This guy is not saying anything we do not know.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
And why do you think you were attacked? Because they hate your freedom?
Ya...I was part of the "ME invasion" before 9/11, then part of 2 wars after 9/11. I understand just fine son.golgoj4 wrote:
doesn't sound like you do mullah. Go read up on our foreign policy, then come back to the debate. One would think those who want to destroy our enemies would at least understand their motivations ffs.usmarine2005 wrote:
Good lord dude, we know why FFS. This guy is not saying anything we do not know.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
And why do you think you were attacked? Because they hate your freedom?
Wow, i know we aren't supposed to get personal, butThe_Mac wrote:
That's a flawed concept. Republicans are against some wars, and some Republicans are against others. In this case, many Republicans are wary against Ron Paul's ideals because of his rather naive approach to foreign policy. Claiming 9/11 was a result of miscommunication is rather silly. the truth is, Islamic extremists attacked the country because they've got nothing else to do.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
i suggest you take a look at some of the videos on the first page.. Ron Paul is a lot more conservatives than a lot of the other candidates.. He stand for a tight immigration policy, doesnt support abortion, against the war (believe it or not, republicans are the ones who are supposed to be anti-war when you look at the history of the republican party)
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Republicans support wars where we show that America is not afraid to get the bums who want to kill us.
Do you really fucking think they went through ALL of that god-damed effort because 'they had nothing better to do' WTF imaginary LSD laced existence are you in?
Are the rest of the crazies here on board with this? You know, everyone who can only say 'you know why they attacked us' ?
I think you need to go back a little further there buddy. History existed long before that. And that logic still doesn't explain why a majority of Saudi's attacked us on 9/11. There were no Iraqis. So please, think about it real hard. Again.usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...I was part of the "ME invasion" before 9/11, then part of 2 wars after 9/11. I understand just fine son.golgoj4 wrote:
doesn't sound like you do mullah. Go read up on our foreign policy, then come back to the debate. One would think those who want to destroy our enemies would at least understand their motivations ffs.usmarine2005 wrote:
Good lord dude, we know why FFS. This guy is not saying anything we do not know.
Did I ever say they were Iraqi's? Where did they train?golgoj4 wrote:
I think you need to go back a little further there buddy. History existed long before that. And that logic still doesn't explain why a majority of Saudi's attacked us on 9/11. There were no Iraqis. So please, think about it real hard. Again.usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...I was part of the "ME invasion" before 9/11, then part of 2 wars after 9/11. I understand just fine son.golgoj4 wrote:
doesn't sound like you do mullah. Go read up on our foreign policy, then come back to the debate. One would think those who want to destroy our enemies would at least understand their motivations ffs.
And I am well aware of how far back this stuff goes. So spare me your childish BS.
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Afganistan and the US, right under the nose of the FBI i might add too.usmarine2005 wrote:
Did I ever say they were Iraqi's? Where did they train?golgoj4 wrote:
I think you need to go back a little further there buddy. History existed long before that. And that logic still doesn't explain why a majority of Saudi's attacked us on 9/11. There were no Iraqis. So please, think about it real hard. Again.usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...I was part of the "ME invasion" before 9/11, then part of 2 wars after 9/11. I understand just fine son.
I want my taxes back.
Don't be foolish. I'm well aware of the reality of the Middle East. Iran nuking New York? They'd love to..if they get the nukes, which is exactly what we don't want. Our aid for Israel has earned us the hatred of the savages who live in the Middle East. The terrorist scum provoke and threaten the locals and turn them into terrorists. Our whole society is different than theirs. We're willing to be governed under a government that does our will, we educate everyone, we believe in free minds, freedom to discuss religion and openly practice religion, free to denounce religion, we're free to do things the Islamic fascists would behead you to even think about it. Having a free state where people are allowed to take apart religion--any religion, is seen as a threat to them. They're number one plan is to spread the word of Allah around and wage their Jihads. I don't know about the rest of the Islamic peoples, but this is a fact the extremists are after.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Do you really believe that? IF yes, you probably believe that Iraq is behind the 911 attack? That saddam was helping Osama? That the "terrorists" hates you because of your freedom? That Iran is ready to nuke New-York?omgThe_Mac wrote:
the truth is, Islamic extremists attacked the country because they've got nothing else to do.
The United States represents all the West stands for--freedom, happiness, the ability to be in a free state free from brainwashed, all that is against what they believe will expand their power.
Saddam was no big fan of the United States after they dumped his plan of getting access to oil, and while I think it's a bit sketchy, Saddam helping terrorists is not unplausible. The fact is, terrorist training camps were found in Iraq after troops invaded, and I think if Saddam was not aiding Osama, he sure was contemplating it/making his own little terrorist group.
For the reference I don't think believing the 9-11 attacks was a result of Islamic barbarism has anything to do with believing Iraq was directly behind the attacks.
Thank god you're not voting next election.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
No but questionning a report that most politician are afraid to question takes a lot of courage and for that i think he should be your next president.
It's called looking brave to get attention. Politicians say all sorts of crap, and then when they get elected, they react to situations differently then their staunchest supporters would have ever dreamed.
Bush is a primary example. Politics, the Art of Bullshit.
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lmao that's a +1The_Mac wrote:
The United States represents all the West stands for--freedom, happiness, the ability to be in a free state free from brainwashed, all that is against what they believe will expand their power.
government/politician leaks story to newspaper, politician goes on TV and then uses newspaper as source, most people believe politician, news story becomes Fact in the eyes of the people, repeat until enough people back you for war goto war
same kinda of thing is happening about Iran, how about we FINISH the Afghanistan / al qaeda / Pakistan / Saudi shit first
Wtf why do you associate Ron Paul with guys like these?Spark wrote:
That is deeply frightening.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I understand what you mean.. Being unified behind a good man is a good thing in my opinion.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
You're missing the point.
I suppose you would like living under Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Kimmy?
All im saying is a united country is better than a divided country.. If a guy like Paul can reach a bunch of democrats et republicans to vote for him, its a good step toward a unified country.
Holy shit. Note to self. Don't get your politics from BF2s.
Totally brainwashed.The_Mac wrote:
Don't be foolish. I'm well aware of the reality of the Middle East. Iran nuking New York? They'd love to..if they get the nukes, which is exactly what we don't want. Our aid for Israel has earned us the hatred of the savages who live in the Middle East. The terrorist scum provoke and threaten the locals and turn them into terrorists. Our whole society is different than theirs. We're willing to be governed under a government that does our will, we educate everyone, we believe in free minds, freedom to discuss religion and openly practice religion, free to denounce religion, we're free to do things the Islamic fascists would behead you to even think about it. Having a free state where people are allowed to take apart religion--any religion, is seen as a threat to them. They're number one plan is to spread the word of Allah around and wage their Jihads. I don't know about the rest of the Islamic peoples, but this is a fact the extremists are after.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Do you really believe that? IF yes, you probably believe that Iraq is behind the 911 attack? That saddam was helping Osama? That the "terrorists" hates you because of your freedom? That Iran is ready to nuke New-York?omgThe_Mac wrote:
the truth is, Islamic extremists attacked the country because they've got nothing else to do.
The United States represents all the West stands for--freedom, happiness, the ability to be in a free state free from brainwashed, all that is against what they believe will expand their power.
Saddam was no big fan of the United States after they dumped his plan of getting access to oil, and while I think it's a bit sketchy, Saddam helping terrorists is not unplausible. The fact is, terrorist training camps were found in Iraq after troops invaded, and I think if Saddam was not aiding Osama, he sure was contemplating it/making his own little terrorist group.
For the reference I don't think believing the 9-11 attacks was a result of Islamic barbarism has anything to do with believing Iraq was directly behind the attacks.Thank god you're not voting next election.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
No but questionning a report that most politician are afraid to question takes a lot of courage and for that i think he should be your next president.
It's called looking brave to get attention. Politicians say all sorts of crap, and then when they get elected, they react to situations differently then their staunchest supporters would have ever dreamed.
Bush is a primary example. Politics, the Art of Bullshit.
Terrorist camp in Iraq lmao.. Iran nuking New-York lmao.. Islamist attacking the US because of their freedom lmao.. directly from Fox news.
Theres still hope in America.. A lot of people start to see the light.. thanks to Ron Paul
You have seen to much films like "the sum of all fears!"The_Mac wrote:
Don't be foolish. I'm well aware of the reality of the Middle East. Iran nuking New York? They'd love to..if they get the nukes, which is exactly what we don't want. Our aid for Israel has earned us the hatred of the savages who live in the Middle East. The terrorist scum provoke and threaten the locals and turn them into terrorists. Our whole society is different than theirs. We're willing to be governed under a government that does our will, we educate everyone, we believe in free minds, freedom to discuss religion and openly practice religion, free to denounce religion, we're free to do things the Islamic fascists would behead you to even think about it. Having a free state where people are allowed to take apart religion--any religion, is seen as a threat to them. They're number one plan is to spread the word of Allah around and wage their Jihads. I don't know about the rest of the Islamic peoples, but this is a fact the extremists are after.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Do you really believe that? IF yes, you probably believe that Iraq is behind the 911 attack? That saddam was helping Osama? That the "terrorists" hates you because of your freedom? That Iran is ready to nuke New-York?omgThe_Mac wrote:
the truth is, Islamic extremists attacked the country because they've got nothing else to do.
The United States represents all the West stands for--freedom, happiness, the ability to be in a free state free from brainwashed, all that is against what they believe will expand their power.
Saddam was no big fan of the United States after they dumped his plan of getting access to oil, and while I think it's a bit sketchy, Saddam helping terrorists is not unplausible. The fact is, terrorist training camps were found in Iraq after troops invaded, and I think if Saddam was not aiding Osama, he sure was contemplating it/making his own little terrorist group.
For the reference I don't think believing the 9-11 attacks was a result of Islamic barbarism has anything to do with believing Iraq was directly behind the attacks.Thank god you're not voting next election.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
No but questionning a report that most politician are afraid to question takes a lot of courage and for that i think he should be your next president.
It's called looking brave to get attention. Politicians say all sorts of crap, and then when they get elected, they react to situations differently then their staunchest supporters would have ever dreamed.
Bush is a primary example. Politics, the Art of Bullshit.
But ya...bush is the dumbest man alive...and Im sorry to say that but he represents america...and the fact than more than the half of america voted for him makes me sad. Is everyone so naive...the reason why such fool come to might is because people are to lazy to deal with the subject and think for their own. An election candidate can promise everything...but you can see what he is like ín such debates.
Ron Paul would be a nice president. Not an economy promoted and "installed" bush. Installed because they sure sabotaged the vote counts for bush.
And that you call a democracy. Unbeliveable.
Its more like a dictate in democracies clothing.
Why is everything in the hand of one man? THATS NO DEMOCRACY.
Greets
As in K2?Spark wrote:
That is deeply frightening.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I understand what you mean.. Being unified behind a good man is a good thing in my opinion.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
You're missing the point.
I suppose you would like living under Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Kimmy?
Divide and Conquer, a sound motto. Unite and lead, a better one. Johann Wolfgang Von GoetheAutralianChainsaw wrote:
Wtf why do you associate Ron Paul with guys like these?Spark wrote:
That is deeply frightening.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I understand what you mean.. Being unified behind a good man is a good thing in my opinion.
I suppose you would like living under Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Kimmy?
All im saying is a united country is better than a divided country.. If a guy like Paul can reach a bunch of democrats et republicans to vote for him, its a good step toward a unified country.
uh-huh, you're calling me brainwashed. All you can supply me is how I'm brainwashed. For the record, I don't watch FOX, CNN, CBS, or any other crap TV like that. I don't watch TV. Secondly, I used to be a fan of Ron Paul, until I saw what he really was.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Totally brainwashed.
Terrorist camp in Iraq lmao.. Iran nuking New-York lmao.. Islamist attacking the US because of their freedom lmao.. directly from Fox news.
Theres still hope in America.. A lot of people start to see the light.. thanks to Ron Paul
People will take you more seriously if you don't sound like you're talking out of your ass, especially with the retarded "lmaos", they really make you look childish. As if you didn't already...
I wonder where you got all those crazy ideas if you don't watch TV..The_Mac wrote:
uh-huh, you're calling me brainwashed. All you can supply me is how I'm brainwashed. For the record, I don't watch FOX, CNN, CBS, or any other crap TV like that. I don't watch TV. Secondly, I used to be a fan of Ron Paul, until I saw what he really was.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Totally brainwashed.
Terrorist camp in Iraq lmao.. Iran nuking New-York lmao.. Islamist attacking the US because of their freedom lmao.. directly from Fox news.
Theres still hope in America.. A lot of people start to see the light.. thanks to Ron Paul
People will take you more seriously if you don't sound like you're talking out of your ass, especially with the retarded "lmaos", they really make you look childish. As if you didn't already...
Enlighten me about what Ron Paul really is. Please. Im all ears.The_Mac wrote:
uh-huh, you're calling me brainwashed. All you can supply me is how I'm brainwashed. For the record, I don't watch FOX, CNN, CBS, or any other crap TV like that. I don't watch TV. Secondly, I used to be a fan of Ron Paul, until I saw what he really was.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Totally brainwashed.
Terrorist camp in Iraq lmao.. Iran nuking New-York lmao.. Islamist attacking the US because of their freedom lmao.. directly from Fox news.
Theres still hope in America.. A lot of people start to see the light.. thanks to Ron Paul
People will take you more seriously if you don't sound like you're talking out of your ass, especially with the retarded "lmaos", they really make you look childish. As if you didn't already...
I think you know enough of Ron Paul to formulate your opinions. You don't need my editorial. What I will say is this: His policy of chickening out of giving the Islamic extremists what for is what will lose him the GOP support.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Enlighten me about what Ron Paul really is. Please. Im all ears.
Republicans don't support wars, but they don't support dropping defenses on the country either.
Well I didn't pull them out of my ass and troll around like a 13 year old like you did, apparently.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I wonder where you got all those crazy ideas if you don't watch TV..
My opinion is ROn Paul is probably the most honest of any politician I have ever seen. His voting record is solid. I can't find any corruption or scandal, and he speaks well with a dose of common sense. I know its hard to hear common sense after 8 years of the shit you've been forced to listen too.The_Mac wrote:
I think you know enough of Ron Paul to formulate your opinions. You don't need my editorial. What I will say is this: His policy of chickening out of giving the Islamic extremists what for is what will lose him the GOP support.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Enlighten me about what Ron Paul really is. Please. Im all ears.
Republicans don't support wars, but they don't support dropping defenses on the country either.Well I didn't pull them out of my ass and troll around like a 13 year old like you did, apparently.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I wonder where you got all those crazy ideas if you don't watch TV..
If your only argument against him is he wants to end the meat grinder that is Iraq, thats fine. Thats why you got McCain and Guiliani to choose from if you want to continue on this path chosen by the President.
THink about this though, out of all the republican debates, Ron Paul has been the ONLY one on the stage that did not step around or pussyfoot a question. He tells you straight and narrow what he thinks. Get that out of Romney or Rudy.
McCain is in no one's favor unless you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm skeptical of Ron Paul, because presidents can say they'll do this and that, and then try to appease both sides of the table pleasing, in effect, nobody.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
My opinion is ROn Paul is probably the most honest of any politician I have ever seen. His voting record is solid. I can't find any corruption or scandal, and he speaks well with a dose of common sense. I know its hard to hear common sense after 8 years of the shit you've been forced to listen too.
If your only argument against him is he wants to end the meat grinder that is Iraq, thats fine. Thats why you got McCain and Guiliani to choose from if you want to continue on this path chosen by the President.
Also, you can't just "Pull em out out out" like that.
Again, his "We were attacked by miscommunication" sounds like some of the biggest bull shit I've heard in a while.
Carry on.
Omg
A presidential candidate who are not afraid to promote NEUTRALITY in the palestinian/israel conflict.
I think that unlike Giuliani, Ron Paul will not receive a lot of money from the Israelis
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A presidential candidate who are not afraid to promote NEUTRALITY in the palestinian/israel conflict.
I think that unlike Giuliani, Ron Paul will not receive a lot of money from the Israelis
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Easy not to be afraid when your words do not equate to shit. He has no bearing on anything since he is not in charge of anything. Very easy to say what you want.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Omg
A presidential candidate who are not afraid to promote NEUTRALITY in the palestinian/israel conflict.
When you will learn about the power of AIPAC, when you will learn how powerful the jewish lobby is in your country, when you will learn that not siding with Israel in this conflict mean that no televison will talk about you except to call you an anti-semite, when you will learn that not siding with Israel mean that you will not receive any contribution from most business in the USA, you will understand that that guy have a lot of balls. That guy is running for president and unlike ALL the other candidate from both side, hes not afraid to not side with the guys who own most of the money. And you probably know how money is important in an election.usmarine2005 wrote:
Easy not to be afraid when your words do not equate to shit. He has no bearing on anything since he is not in charge of anything. Very easy to say what you want.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Omg
A presidential candidate who are not afraid to promote NEUTRALITY in the palestinian/israel conflict.
See this exemple to show you how a "news" channel can twist you words to make you look like a conspiracy nut
They are now associating Ron Paul with the 911truthers when he NEVER said that 911 was an inside job.