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Today is the anniversary of Waterloo. I just thought I'd throw that in the Military History thread .
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.c … 20Waterloo


The Battle of Waterloo, fought on 18 June 1815, was Napoleon Bonaparte's last battle. His defeat put a final end to his rule as Emperor of France. The Battle of Waterloo also marked the end of the period known as the Hundred Days, which began in March 1815 after Napoleon's return from Elba, where he had been exiled after his defeats at the battle of Leipzig in 1813 and the campaigns of 1814 in France.

Vernedead wrote:

so your deliberately contradictory to confuse people on web forums?

No. I'm just saying that even though those units were favoured, they didn't always get the best equipment before the rest of the Heer.

Vernedead wrote:

doesn't that very divide seem unproffesional? do you think its a coincidence that the best divisons are all politically prominent ones? hitler was a personal sponsor of the armoured forces, himmler backed the SS and Goering the Fallschirmjager. how can it be a proffesional army if the only way to get decent kit is to have a personal nazi sponsor? its one short step away from fuedalism.

There were also a lot of crack infantry division with very good weaponry. The largest part of the German heer, was still infantry based divisions. Do you think the Heer would have lasted that long in battle if they only received crappy equipment? Don't think so. It's true that in the last 2 years waffen ss gained an adavantage in getting the best weapons first, but that doesn't mean that the Heer didn't receive good and new weaponry.

Vernedead wrote:

they didn't tend to last very long in battle, panzer lehr was a crack division and it was destroyed and reformed 3 times.

That is true!
Mainly due to allied air supremacy and naval gunfire. Well, the first time it was destroyed then..
After that it wasn't much of a crack division anymore, just like most German division near the end of the war. Most were by then manned with second rate personnel which where only partly trained or not trained at all.

But the first few years of the war, the German division were generally much better trained and equiped then their counterparts.

By the way, here's a pretty good site with some good information.

http://www.germanwarmachine.com/index.htm

You know some good sites?

Gillenator wrote:

By the way, here's a pretty good site with some good information.

http://www.germanwarmachine.com/index.htm

You know some good sites?

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/

Vernedead wrote:

afraid not, since a live across the road from a university library  the internet tends to pale to the available resources offline.  no point in reading scale modellers acounts of battles when i have mansteins to hand.

You lucky you! I wish I had that oppurtunity..

the National Army Museum is within walking distance of the imperial war museum if you find time


http://www.tankmuseum.co.uk/
http://www.fleetairarm.com/

you look to be heading too far north for these but if you happen to be around the south these are pretty good places. the tank museum holds fairly regular live demos.

not to mention

Last edited by Vernedead (2007-06-20 15:54:18)

The_Mac wrote:

Gillenator wrote:

Everyone his own iterests.

My interests are World War 2, German Unit histories.

I like everything military history, lol. But yes, the Germans are very interesting particularly their Stg 44, that's a beast of an assault rifle, considering nobody else had an assault rifle at the time.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb28 … TG-442.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb28 … c/mp44.jpg

Their bolt action rifle was very nice too, very accurate, but the Germans probably had the most professional army of World War 2.

actually the ruskies had the first assault rifle in service long before the StG, the Fedorov Avtomat was first produced in 1916, granted it was not capable of automatic fire but it is THE original assault rifle.

seymorebutts443 wrote:

actually the ruskies had the first assault rifle in service long before the StG, the Fedorov Avtomat was first produced in 1916, granted it was not capable of automatic fire but it is THE original assault rifle.
http://content.answers.com/main/content … a_1916.jpg

Huh, damn, never saw that before. Was it used during World War 2?
But I think the idea of an assault rifle was to lay down a mass volume of fire from one gun, with the punching of a rifle slug, and of course, the auto feature of an SMG.
This gun, merely being semi, maybe it's some sort of an Assault Rifle, but I'd classify it as a battle rifle.

seymorebutts443 wrote:

it was used the the russian/finnish war of 1940 and the russian revolution, it laid down the basic design of a battle/assault rifle for years to come.

Cool, but why wasn't it used in World War 2?
And lots of guns laid down the basic design. The Stg 44 inspired the design of the FN FAL and the AK-47. And yes, it laid down the battle and assault rifle plan, but I'd have a hard time classifying it as an assault rifle.

The M1 Garand was superior to the K98 because it was an 8 round semi-auto vs. a 5 round bolt action.  The BAR didn't really compare to German MG's.  The Germans used MG's as HIGH ROF, relatively stationary weapons.  The BAR was designed as a weapon for a rifleman, but was thrust into being the squad level MG.  The BAR is still ridiculously heavy for a rifle...what is it, like 25-30lbs?  The barrel and receiver are monstrously heavy.

The MG42 would be better compared to the M1919 Browning MG, by design.  Even then, the MG42 wins hands down.


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Last edited by RAIMIUS (2007-06-22 22:00:44)

Not sure if its been done before cause im extremly lazy but ima make a rundown of the Korean War (1950-1953). The post will be seperated by Year.

1950
- North Korea is counducting military exerscises along the DMZ
- Kim Il-Sung recives outdated soviet equitment from Joseph Stalin
- Eairly in January US Secr. of State implies that the US will not go to war over Korea
- April, After much diliberation Joseph Stalin approves Kim-Il Sung's plan to attack South Korea
- June 25, 1950 North Korea crosses the DMZ with masses of troops including
         - Soviet T-34s
                   
         - Soviet Yak fighters
                     
         - No navy
         - Weak or no transportation of supplies
- By the 28th of June the DPRK occupied Seoul
- On June 25th the U.N drew a resolution for direct intervetion by US and UN forces.
- US 24th infantry divison defeated on July 5th at Osan and forced to retreat after first american intervention

I will edit this post later this is a big project