KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6632|949

Ilocano wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I figure in the next 20 to 30 years, there won't be much of a difference between some bordering regions of America and Mexico.  Some would say this is already happening.  It's not the racial makeup of these regions that bothers me -- it's the poverty.  I don't have a problem with Mexicans as people or with their culture (except for certain Catholic views), but it worries me to see how our social and healthcare systems are being weighed down.

Maybe it's being naive, but I'm hoping America can remain a First World country, instead of becoming a Second World one....
Have you ever been to San Diego's South County, near the San Ysidro border crossing?  Plenty of upscale master planned communities, on both sides of the border.  Plenty of legal Mexicans who cross the border every day to work on the US side, but live on the Mexican side.  Plenty of weathly Mexicans who own property on both sides of the border.  Plenty of US Citizens who live on the Mexican side because of lower housing costs.  When things are done right, aka the legal way, things just work out great. 

But when you add illegals into the equation, well, things buckle...
I actually went down to Tijuana recently for business, and it blew my mind.  Whenever I had gone there before, it was always just to bar hop along Revolucion, which is pretty dilapidated.  When I went recently to the upscale part of town, it was like night and day - Mercedes, BMWs, valet parking at fine restaurants, nicely adorned office buildings, etc.  I was amazed, and the fellow escorting us (an American from OC living in Mexico) told us exactly what you described - Mexicans and Americans travelling back and forth across the border legally is a common occurrence.

It proves a few things - not all Mexicans here just want to live here; there is a population of Mexicans working here legally without citizenship; even in so-called shitty areas, there is flourishing business.
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6667

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It proves a few things - not all Mexicans here just want to live here; there is a population of Mexicans working here legally without citizenship; even in so-called shitty areas, there is flourishing business.
You forgot to mention what these "upscale" Mexicans enjoyed: drivers, cooks, nannies.  If these same Mexicans lived on the US side, they couldn't afford any of these luxuries.

Shitty part of Mexican law though.  The government can just seize your property.  Awhile back, some US Citizens lost some Mexico beach front property.  And still plenty of government/law enforcement corruption.

Last edited by Ilocano (2007-05-08 15:24:19)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6601|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It proves a few things - not all Mexicans here just want to live here; there is a population of Mexicans working here legally without citizenship; even in so-called shitty areas, there is flourishing business.
Yes, but will they use "the jab" more...
Xbone Stormsurgezz
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6632|949

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It proves a few things - not all Mexicans here just want to live here; there is a population of Mexicans working here legally without citizenship; even in so-called shitty areas, there is flourishing business.
Yes, but will they use "the jab" more...
I thought it was 'yob'.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6632|949

Ilocano wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It proves a few things - not all Mexicans here just want to live here; there is a population of Mexicans working here legally without citizenship; even in so-called shitty areas, there is flourishing business.
You forgot to mention what these "upscale" Mexicans enjoyed: drivers, cooks, nannies.  If these same Mexicans lived on the US side, they couldn't afford any of these luxuries.

Shitty part of Mexican law though.  The government can just seize your property.  Awhile back, some US Citizens lost some Mexico beach front property.  And still plenty of government/law enforcement corruption.
Yep. And as an American you cannot legally own a business there either.  I found that out too.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6405|North Carolina

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It proves a few things - not all Mexicans here just want to live here; there is a population of Mexicans working here legally without citizenship; even in so-called shitty areas, there is flourishing business.
You forgot to mention what these "upscale" Mexicans enjoyed: drivers, cooks, nannies.  If these same Mexicans lived on the US side, they couldn't afford any of these luxuries.

Shitty part of Mexican law though.  The government can just seize your property.  Awhile back, some US Citizens lost some Mexico beach front property.  And still plenty of government/law enforcement corruption.
Yep. And as an American you cannot legally own a business there either.  I found that out too.
We should make it illegal for Mexicans that aren't citizens here to own businesses in America until Mexico changes its laws.

It's only fair...
MajorHoulahan_MASH
Member
+31|6722

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

The report button works here. If a post is blatantly offensive use it. We talk about sensitive subjects in here and if someone crosses the line from intellectual debate to hateful remarks they will be taken care of. Otherwise challenge their views.
What are we?  Vigilantes?  I can't report a zillion posts.  Besides, haven't you noticed the huge amount of racist posts here?
Indeed, the report button works remarkably well.... from the mods point of view.

Example: half a year ago I reported a hateful thread made by some popular forummember ( more than 500 Karma points). I got banned from the forum for 3 days for "abusing the report- function".

( Felt almost identical as being kicked from a BF2 server for using the admins J10. )

Never used the report button since, and never will either.
okashii
Member
+34|6529|I'm form Poland and I hate it

CommieChipmunk wrote:

I'm not racist, racism is a crime.  And crime's for black people.
I'm not racist but +1 cuz I couldn't get it out of my head while I had sociology lesson last monday

still its funny in a Eric Cartman way
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6601|132 and Bush

MajorHoulahan_MASH wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

The report button works here. If a post is blatantly offensive use it. We talk about sensitive subjects in here and if someone crosses the line from intellectual debate to hateful remarks they will be taken care of. Otherwise challenge their views.
What are we?  Vigilantes?  I can't report a zillion posts.  Besides, haven't you noticed the huge amount of racist posts here?
Indeed, the report button works remarkably well.... from the mods point of view.

Example: half a year ago I reported a hateful thread made by some popular forummember ( more than 500 Karma points). I got banned from the forum for 3 days for "abusing the report- function".

( Felt almost identical as being kicked from a BF2 server for using the admins J10. )

Never used the report button since, and never will either.
You mean this ? http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p1064930

MajorHoulahan_MASH wrote:

Ty wrote:

Don't be cheeky or you'll be banned from here so fast it'll make your head spin.
threats will get you nowhere buddy....
Xbone Stormsurgezz
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6632|949

Kmarion wrote:

MajorHoulahan_MASH wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


What are we?  Vigilantes?  I can't report a zillion posts.  Besides, haven't you noticed the huge amount of racist posts here?
Indeed, the report button works remarkably well.... from the mods point of view.

Example: half a year ago I reported a hateful thread made by some popular forummember ( more than 500 Karma points). I got banned from the forum for 3 days for "abusing the report- function".

( Felt almost identical as being kicked from a BF2 server for using the admins J10. )

Never used the report button since, and never will either.
You mean this ? http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p1064930

MajorHoulahan_MASH wrote:

Ty wrote:

Don't be cheeky or you'll be banned from here so fast it'll make your head spin.
threats will get you nowhere buddy....
I've never had a problem reporting a post, and I'm fairly sure every time I reported a post I have received some kind of response.  It's really not that hard to click the little button and type a few words.

On the other hand, there are a lot of childish and hateful statements made all over these forums but it doesn't annoy me, it kind of depresses me.
MajorHoulahan_MASH
Member
+31|6722
What I was trying to say was :

   On the one hand you have mods that say: if we do not know/like you, you better not report, we mods are perfectecly capable of moderating this forum ourselves...
   On the other hand you have mods that say: please report if you find a thread/post hateful, disrespectful or questionable, we mods cant read everything ...

Somehow these two views do not always add up.
Skexis
Member
+6|6459
http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/em … cking.html

Don't turn off your brain when you see the title. Just consider the following list that the author gives as food for thought, and why some people might consider reverse racism to be something of a non-issue.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|6841|Cologne, Germany

MajorHoulahan_MASH wrote:

What I was trying to say was :

   On the one hand you have mods that say: if we do not know/like you, you better not report, we mods are perfectecly capable of moderating this forum ourselves...
   On the other hand you have mods that say: please report if you find a thread/post hateful, disrespectful or questionable, we mods cant read everything ...

Somehow these two views do not always add up.
well, in your particular case you had reported a personal attack by a forum mod, after which said mod temp-banned you. Did you contact chuy about this ?

Not trying to stir up old stuff,  but I want to make sure that there are no bitter feelings....

mods are human too, and can fail.

Board footer

Privacy Policy - © 2024 Jeff Minard